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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 11:57:44 AM   
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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 12:05:36 PM   
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Well, it doesn't really seem to be quite so clear cut as that.

The economic benefits of the Olympics for host cities are at best mixed, and the opening bravado often descends into recrimination and regret.... For municipalities, the Olympics deliver more broken dreams than gold medals.

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Well said and well taken, Kirata. The Olympics is indeed a white elephant of events. It's big, important and considered "holy"...but it has a hell of a cost in upkeep and seldom pulls it's weight. I think with the economy as it is, it is perhaps just as well Chicago didn't get it.

I do find it interesting, though, that as part of the fallout of the "rip down the other party no matter what they do" attitude that is becoming general practice for both parties, it's getting harder and harder to tell if the positions taken are due to the merits or simply point taking. This is a good example of that problem.

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 12:36:24 PM   
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... it's getting harder and harder to tell if the positions taken are due to the merits or simply point taking. This is a good example of that problem.
Really? I don't find it difficult in the least. Usually when mocking ridicule is used it's an indication that there is no merit. When an actual counter position or perspective is given, it indicates that there is another way to look at things.

Of course this is heavily influence by those who first need to determine the 'party' behind the position and then decide whether they are going to 'head-bob' or not based upon the party source.

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 12:37:57 PM   
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So why are conservatives celebrating something that is bad for the US economy in the short and the long term?

Well, it doesn't really seem to be quite so clear cut as that.

Time

The economic benefits of the Olympics for host cities are at best mixed, and the opening bravado often descends into recrimination and regret....

The article concludes...

For municipalities, the Olympics deliver more broken dreams than gold medals.

Not the final word, of course, but maybe reason to be content that we didn't take the gamble.

K.

There were legitimate concerns about if the city of Chicago would be left with debt. But there was no doubt that building all the stuff needed would have been a huge boost to the regional economy when we need it and the sure thing of full hotels in 2016 would have encouraged investment in tourism and entertainment businesses leading up to the event.

And even if those debt concerns are pivotal of what concern are they to people outside the city? I'd be on the hook for them not you guys and certainly not Drudge or 99% of the freepers.

I'm still asking the same question, partially because the answer reveals the obvious hypocrisy, why are conservatives celebrating an event that is undoubtedly bad for the economy of the US in both the short and long terms?

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 12:43:57 PM   
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Of course this is heavily influence by those who first need to determine the 'party' behind the position and then decide whether they are going to 'head-bob' or not based upon the party source.


Personally, I take this as a pretty non-partisan issue. I would have thought it cool if we had gotten the Olympics no matter what party was in power. I wouldn't be heartbroken that we didn't get it no matter who was in power.

No big deal is not a partisan issue to my mind.

As for mocking and ridicule, I have (and I say this as a compliment) I have seen you get snarky and ridiculing with the best of us, Merc.

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 12:48:11 PM   
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whose intellect requires them to insult, mock, or who chose to say call the other sides reaction, "twatism". But there's nothing you can do in those cases except laugh.
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but aren't you now doing exactly what you are accusing the lefties on here of doing, re the mocking and insulting??

this is a circle jerk isnt it?, round and round we go, 
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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 1:16:11 PM   
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Personally, I take this as a pretty non-partisan issue. I would have thought it cool if we had gotten the Olympics no matter what party was in power. I wouldn't be heartbroken that we didn't get it no matter who was in power.

No big deal is not a partisan issue to my mind.
Very magnanimous of you.

Now its "non partisan". Chicago Democrats, 100% Democratic fundraisers and power brokers; but the failure to deliver is now "non partisan"; on your say so. What's the last "non-partisan" issue you can point to that failed so dramatically and remained "non-partisan"?

Considering the documented history of budgetary overruns, corruption, and other problems associated with the Olympics under favorable economic conditions; what positive outcome would Obama's 'success' provided? Meanwhile, lacking the sophistication of you and me; how many US and world citizens now have something else to point to regarding the impotence of Obama to achieve his goals? Will this failure help or hurt Obama's credibility?

As smart as he's represented didn't Obama and/or his Administration consider the pitfalls? Unilaterally and inclusionary a better tactic would have been to send Mitt Romney. He accomplished it for Utah. But there is that partisan problem coming up if he succeeded. However if he failed his failure wouldn't be so tied to the Administration which is in dire need of credibility.

One more question that I trust you to answer honestly. Were he successful in bringing back the Olympics for Chicago do you think it wouldn't be perceived as an "Obama Triumphant"! with half page banner headlines announcing it as such? Well, that didn't happen, Chicago came in 4th of 4 - what should that be called?

You see this on one level and excuse criticism away as partisan. Seems I give more credit to the ability and intelligence of the Administration than you do. I saw this as a "no win" under the current economic and political climate. My eyebrow was raised that he chose to do it in the first place. What hold, or conspiracy theory consideration, could his adopted city of Chicago hold over him to put him in a position exposing him and his Administration to this public failure? I was, and continue to be, more interested in that answer than I am about the effort itself resulting in failure. When you read his books, if they document anything, they point to a history documenting a shrewd intelligence; to join the right church, align with the right people, and become friends with the right persons to achieve his political goals. What hold do they now have over him for Obama to make the last minute decision to drop everything and head to Copenhagen, ultimately to deliver a 5 minute speech? You have an answer to that?

I'll believe the lip service representation of non-partisanship when I read once "Obama failed" without the accompanying rationalizations like "he hasn't had enough time", "it was worse than he thought", or "Bush did it too/first". Granted, "snarky" but not "ridiculing". I don't consider quoting and questioning as "ridiculing". I see it as an opportunity to clarify. Feel free to do so.

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 1:20:15 PM   
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Were he successful in bringing back the Olympics for Chicago do you think it wouldn't be perceived as an "Obama Triumphant"! with half page banner headlines announcing it as such? Well, that didn't happen, Chicago came in 4th of 4 - what should that be called?

Well, Drudge went with: "THE EGO HAS LANDED".

K.






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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 1:22:25 PM   
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Were he successful in bringing back the Olympics for Chicago do you think it wouldn't be perceived as an "Obama Triumphant"! with half page banner headlines announcing it as such? Well, that didn't happen, Chicago came in 4th of 4 - what should that be called?

Well, Drudge went with, "The Ego Has Landed".

K.


I LOVE that headline.

Chicago true DOES have alot of documented corruption.     Cost over-runs were invented there.

Chicago invented dead people voting..

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 1:57:38 PM   
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This guy is GOOD.  This is RIOs  blurb to the committee- vid 45 mins.

Compelling--

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:00:32 PM   
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I'll believe the lip service representation of non-partisanship when I read once "Obama failed" without the accompanying rationalizations like "he hasn't had enough time", "it was worse than he thought", or "Bush did it too/first". Granted, "snarky" but not "ridiculing". I don't consider quoting and questioning as "ridiculing". I see it as an opportunity to clarify. Feel free to do so.


Ok...let me clarify. To me it's a totally non partisan issue because I would have felt pretty much the same about it whether it had been a republican president who stumpped for it or a democratic one. Like I said: Nice if he could get it, not a big deal if he couldn't. To me it's just not a big issue.

Also to clarify, I said from the start that I thought that Obama should have stayed in DC and going to Copenhagen was a flub. I didn't say "Bush did it first", I didn't say "He didn't have enough time"....but then again, I have never seen Obama as either the second coming or the anti-christ. I see him as a politician. I see some things I like and some things I don't. I would be lying if I said I see more things I like in this administration than the last one, and if that makes me partisan, I'll live with it and wear the t-shirt.

Of all the things we have to worry about and keep our eyes on, this issue doesn't strike me as even in the top ten.

How's that for clarification?

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:07:42 PM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/rios-final-2016-olympics_n_307671.html

This guy is GOOD.  This is RIOs  blurb to the committee- vid 45 mins.

Compelling--



LMAO!  here we GO!

11 minutes in.   The Brazil head of its CENTRAL BANK SPOKE!!        That means something!!!!



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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:08:55 PM   
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Of all the things we have to worry about and keep our eyes on, this issue doesn't strike me as even in the top ten.

How's that for clarification?

Evasive. You answered the one question that wasn't asked and, as you said, you already answered, of the many I asked.

However it is telling. The ability to call this initiative an Obama failure still alludes you.

"Nice if he could get it, not a big deal if he couldn't." The point isn't whether you thought, or believed, this representation. Obama didn't. He mobilized his entire Administration, launched his and his wife's White House entourage, to go and speak for 5 minutes. That indicates HE must have thought it was a "big deal".

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:18:19 PM   
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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:19:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok...he failed. Would you like it louder? OBAMA FAILED TO BRING THE OLYMPICS TO CHICAGO! I always thought it was a stupid idea for him to go, not the least because I felt chicago didn't have a hope in hell of getting it for a number of reasons.

Yes, Obama failed. Not only that, I'm sure he's going to fail in a whole bunch of ways during his administration. He's already done a whole bunch of stuff I think far less than perfect and fucked up once or twice in big ways as far as my view is concerned. This does not alter my view that this issue is still a "so big deal" on my personal radar.

When you find a perfect president or a perfect presidential candidate, be sure to tell me. In the meantime, I'll continue to think some things are important and some things aren't.





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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 2:19:59 PM   
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Mrs Obama speaking helped.

Prez Obama started off ok- then went off on a tangent over the same worn out campaign  speech, and with a arrogant tone to it- almost condescending.

You can see it for yourself in a link posted above.   Michele and Obama are the last speakers.

Others- I thought were fine.   I do think they used to word "armerica" too much.  I also think the sell was short of WE and US and all of humanity-  which takes me back to Obama- who now owns bushes Iraq.

and with yellow cake - and Iran a threat -  well us bombing even more people.

We DESERVE to LOOSE THIS BID.

I am sorry- but that is how I see it.  I love CHicago- I grew up there.  But the blood in the streets of gangland Chicago over the killing in Iraq- continues and that makes  Obama nothing more then a fricken CLOWN!

How DARE HE!!!!

I think it stinks!!!

Chicago will  be fine.

But I see no change- I see hyper empire and the middle class to be wiped out.  Even worse I see my UMs being subject to the killing fileds in our endless wars and I regret that.

We lost fair and square!

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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 3:56:22 PM   
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Fast Reply -

CNN News anchor sounds shocked. Video: "Chicago is out??? Chicago is out???"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuE60mq0r1Q&feature=player_embedded#


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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 4:02:07 PM   
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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 5:32:38 PM   
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RE: Chicago Olympics 2016...Not all Chicagoans seem happy - 10/2/2009 5:42:11 PM   
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The cost of the 2012 London Olympics is estimated at over £9.3 Billion. Im not sure that all the infrastructure being built will have full use after the games. The actual games are being funded by sponsorship, ticket sales ect. I think the benefit to London wont outweigh the massive costs.


I am awaiting Bob Chapmans take on it.

Key info-  Brazils head of their central bank backs the bid and was at the presentation.

That has to mean something.....

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