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Elisabella -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/6/2009 1:07:26 PM)
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ORIGINAL: ishyB
Moral in what way?
You're dragging legalities into this, but do you or do you not agree that laws should be created to serve the people.... NOT to control them.
I believe laws should serve the best interests of the people, not their every whim.
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If your stand is that laws serve the people, you also have to realize that legal does not equal right, or moral, or just. The law does the best it can, but very many laws do not serve the people at all, not as a group and not as individuals.
In an ideal world they would. Not in this one perhaps, but in this case I do believe that if the law were to be enforced it would be in Daddysprop's best interest.
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So what if he does?
By doing that he is NOT seeking out woman who do not consent and making them miserable by trying to force them to abide by his ways...
I think there's a third option besides "emotionally unstable" and "nonconsenting" - well, maybe not for THIS type of relationship. But for relationships in general.
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Okay, let’s play the "outside objective force" game.
An outside objective force comes in and examines Daddysprop's, Irishmist's and my life.
They come to the conclusion that the three of us would all seek out men that would be willing to kill them in certain circumstances. Men that would be considered abusive by a large part of the population. They also come to the conclusion that we all claim to be happy and fulfilled with these men, as do the men say that they are happy and fulfilled with having us.
Lastly, it is found that, if by force we would be taken away from these men and left to our own devices, we would go back to find other men and start exactly the same type of relationship all over again, the same thing again applies to the men.
So... you are basically saying that the just and moral thing to do here is to take Daddysprop, Irishmist and me, and lock us up in a therapy center, forcing us to undergo therapy (brainwashing?) until we react exactly to men and relationships as you seem to think we should.
Same thing applies to the men... lock them up and force them to undergo brainwashing -euhm therapy- until they do exactly what you -society?- thinks they should do.
This would make everybody happy I assume? Including the people involved? Or it would just make you sleep easier at night, because it was easier for you to understand and process?
Do you remember when we first started talking on IM? How you said that being a slave was what you want, and I'd always come back to saying "how do you know that you can't change? How do you know that this isn't just a symptom of mental illness and if you got to a more stable point you wouldn't want this anymore?" and your response was basically "I don't care, I want it and I don't see anything bad in wanting it."
That sort of thought is so self destructive. And not only that, but you've also said things like you're a slave and you need someone to step in and control your life.
Why's it okay for a man to step in and control you, but not a legal system? Other than one suits your hedonistic desires and the other doesn't?
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And... this is consenting adults we are still talking about right? Consenting meaning PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AT ALL ASKING FOR ANY HELP WHATSOEVER.
Depends on how you view consent in relation to emotional or mental instability.
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Now if Daddyspop was screaming for help, sure, I could see how it would feel it was your moral obligation to help her. But to go stick your nose into other people's business who have repeatedly expressed that they do not require any assistance...
Yeah let's say they were my neighbors, and I listened to you and didn't do anything.
Then the next week he kills her.
What are you going to do, buy me a cookie and tell me it's okay that I abandoned my own ethical code with disastrous consequences, cause it "wasn't my fault?"
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And you -after hearing her opinion, trying to change it by words and failing at that- have openly stated that you would call the cops in an attempt to conform her opinion with your own. You feel that she should be made to go to therapy -to improve- just because you do not agree with the way she is feeling.
The girl's been declared mentally incompetent due to severe emotional imbalance. Therapy's only step one.
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You see it as your responsibility to go save a bunch of people, who do not want help, have not asked for it, are not bothering anyone, do not affect your life in any way, just because they happen to have a different lifestyle than you do.
No, not because they have a different lifestyle. Because the consequences of that lifestyle are brutal and dangerous and I find her ability to consent to it questionable at best.
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Again, when dealing with people that are asking for help, or are bothering people that do not wish to be bothered by their behavior, you are talking about different things... but I haven't seen anybody here cry for help... have you?
People call self mutilation a "cry for help," even though if you ask most cutters they'd tell you fuck off, they're happy destroying their skin.
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