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Arpig -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 8:25:24 PM)
quote: rumor has it a faction of the CIA tried to kill him a few weeks ago. This from a Russian source- per Bob Chapman. The "empire" is NOT happy with Obama and it IS possible that he will not last 2012 IMO. [sm=abducted.gif]

Arrogance -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 8:37:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ Hoo boy! A sign that his popularity is slipping? Evidence that people are "finally waking up"? Now I see where the more rabid lefties get their ugly ideas about the right from. So speaking as someone who I believe is probably perceived to be right-leaning, please allow me to publicly disavow y'all. Thank you very much for your time. K. This perfectly encapsulated my thoughts.

rulemylife -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 9:10:56 PM)
nevermind

TheHeretic -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 9:39:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife nevermind That's ok, RML. We never get far discussing realpolitik and what happens when very important values come into conflict. Ialda, now that's some good satire!

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 10:36:36 PM)
What a joke.... As if a person would post a poll, if there was any chance they were going to assassinate the president. What's the point here? Oh, yes all the major assassinations were so published beforehand, and polls were taken before the act. LOL. I mean doesn't everyone know the new trend is to run a poll before committing murder. This is just a stupid waste of government resources. Period, can't believe anyone would think otherwise.

DomKen -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/29/2009 11:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou What a joke.... As if a person would post a poll, if there was any chance they were going to assassinate the president. What's the point here? Oh, yes all the major assassinations were so published beforehand, and polls were taken before the act. LOL. I mean doesn't everyone know the new trend is to run a poll before committing murder. This is just a stupid waste of government resources. Period, can't believe anyone would think otherwise. And if the Secret Service ignored it and someone even tangentially related to the poll did attempt to attack the POTUS then people would raise an unholy stink about the Secret Service not doing their job so they investigate all threats no matter how trivial.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 3:45:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It is illegal to threaten the life of the President, and even a conversation about the subject can result in an afternoon spent with people who have had their sense of humor surgically removed. Technically it isn't a threat as such but a question. What if the question was: “Should the President of Iran be assassinated?” or “Should we bomb Iran’s nuclear reprocessing facility?” are those threats?

sappatoti -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 8:34:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It is illegal to threaten the life of the President, and even a conversation about the subject can result in an afternoon spent with people who have had their sense of humor surgically removed. Technically it isn't a threat as such but a question. What if the question was: “Should the President of Iran be assassinated?” or “Should we bomb Iran’s nuclear reprocessing facility?” are those threats? That would depend upon how Iran and their agents view those questions, as they seem to be the subject of them. How about rewording them... "Should SL4 be assassinated?" "Should sappa be assassinated?" Should we bomb SL4's valued possessions?" "Should we also do the same thing to sappa's?" I don't know how you would respond but if I saw a questions or polls posed like that, I'm beginning to worry. I may even use whatever legal means I have at my disposal to have those polls and/or questions removed, for I would find them sort of threatening.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 9:29:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti That would depend upon how Iran and their agents view those questions, as they seem to be the subject of them. How about rewording them... "Should SL4 be assassinated?" "Should sappa be assassinated?" Should we bomb SL4's valued possessions?" "Should we also do the same thing to sappa's?" I don't know how you would respond but if I saw a questions or polls posed like that, I'm beginning to worry. I may even use whatever legal means I have at my disposal to have those polls and/or questions removed, for I would find them sort of threatening. This poll makes two things obvious: 1) Whackos exist on the internet 2) Anyone can create a poll on facebook There is possibly a slightly wider ranging conversation here in terms of thought crimes but I don't see that it is really any more interesting than that. I don't suppose anyone knows what the actual intent of such a poll would be. There was a time in the not so distant past people didn’t get morally outraged by everything said by idiots on the internet. Regarding if Obama should be killed I would vote no obviously or perhaps I wouldn't even think such a poll worth a response. If you rephrased it “Should I assassinate SL4?” perhaps I would consider that a threat, as it indicates your potential willingness to consider doing it based on a poll result.

pahunkboy -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 11:09:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: rumor has it a faction of the CIA tried to kill him a few weeks ago. This from a Russian source- per Bob Chapman. The "empire" is NOT happy with Obama and it IS possible that he will not last 2012 IMO. [sm=abducted.gif] At times your jabs are VERY annoying- ! -just sayn - I would not presume that anything that I have to say is something to be immediately discarded as UFO stuff. In fact- I am certain otherwise. Every now and then I hear from someone on the other side (CM) that makes a conversation of one of my comments. I noted that this was a RUMOR. And to anyone who knows what goes on in intel- the idea is not entirely out of line.

Louve00 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 11:35:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 This poll makes two things obvious: 1) Whackos exist on the internet 2) Anyone can create a poll on facebook If you were to say whackos exist everywhere, I'd be more inclined to believe it. Someone was behind that screen, "on the internet" when they posted it. So its circulating in someone's head.

sappatoti -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 11:53:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti That would depend upon how Iran and their agents view those questions, as they seem to be the subject of them. How about rewording them... "Should SL4 be assassinated?" "Should sappa be assassinated?" Should we bomb SL4's valued possessions?" "Should we also do the same thing to sappa's?" I don't know how you would respond but if I saw a questions or polls posed like that, I'm beginning to worry. I may even use whatever legal means I have at my disposal to have those polls and/or questions removed, for I would find them sort of threatening. This poll makes two things obvious: 1) Whackos exist on the internet ... Whackos existed before the rise of the Internet and similar stunts -- if we can agree to call it that -- were handled in pretty much the same manner as the yanking of the Facebook poll. quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 2)... Anyone can create a poll on facebook ... Technically, not anyone can. Only those 500 million people who have become members can. I, being one of the few who is not a member, cannot create polls of any kind on Facebook, though this is a moot point. quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 ... There is possibly a slightly wider ranging conversation here in terms of thought crimes but I don't see that it is really any more interesting than that. I don't suppose anyone knows what the actual intent of such a poll would be. There was a time in the not so distant past people didn’t get morally outraged by everything said by idiots on the internet. ... It may not matter what the intent of the poll was. If the results of security analysis conclude that a poll of this type may have even the tiniest bit of sincerity behind it, the Secret Service will get it yanked. I'm sure that Facebook didn't simply roll over on this one; they probably put up a good private fight (at least, for the sake of its membership, I hope they did) but given the type of evidence they may have been presented with, felt they had no choice but to comply. Again, this is not new information. Security and intelligence agencies get reports of tens, if not hundreds or even thousands, of possible risks every day. Some are turned up by human efforts but most are born as a result of the heuristics of an automated analysis system that data-mines Internet and other electronic communications. This was all made public by the NSA in a documentary about the NSA broadcast by the History Channel in January 2001 (History Channel, History's Mysteries: America's Most Secret Agency, first broadcast 8 Jan 2001; a Wired.com review of the broadcast is here but sadly the History Channel website link no longer works). A likely scenario is that this poll tripped an alert by this system, thus the decision to have it removed. Many times these things are just spit out by the system and acted upon without anything more than a cursory and unemotional review of such analysis. Or, perhaps this poll was yanked as a reminder to others planning more nefarious actions that they're being watched. In any event, all we can do here is speculate -- sometimes wildly. quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 ... If you rephrased it “Should I assassinate SL4?” perhaps I would consider that a threat, as it indicates your potential willingness to consider doing it based on a poll result. I see your point and I agree.

rulemylife -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 12:24:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 Technically it isn't a threat as such but a question. What if the question was: “Should the President of Iran be assassinated?” or “Should we bomb Iran’s nuclear reprocessing facility?” are those threats? You're joking right? What if I was in the gate area at Heathrow and passed out a poll to the other passengers waiting for the flight that said: "Do you think the terrorists that downed the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie had valid reasons for doing so?". Do you think I'll make my flight?

Arpig -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 12:28:18 PM)
quote: At times your jabs are VERY annoying- ! -just sayn - PA, if you want to be taken seriously, then stop posting stuff from Alex Jones, Larouche, and Chapman. They are whackos of the first order.

pahunkboy -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 12:57:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: At times your jabs are VERY annoying- ! -just sayn - PA, if you want to be taken seriously, then stop posting stuff from Alex Jones, Larouche, and Chapman. They are whackos of the first order. On the one hand- if I mention where I heard it from people then can look if they want. The source of the info is usually important. On a lighter note- I have to live with me 24-7. ..and even I get sick of me. And yet- I can managed to get kicked out of a casino in Atlantic City. (yikes)!! (eye roll) So I NeVERRRRRRR stop. lol. hehe. The doom does get old. Granted bud. On that I do agree. I have not been A 1 this week- am taking a break...to some extent. From my frame of reference the mainstream is SO far off- that people like the above are more credible. Anyhow- I will try to be more complete when making such posts. As half info - incomplete info can be annoying. :-)

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 1:03:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sappatoti Technically, not anyone can. Only those 500 million people who have become members can. I, being one of the few who is not a member, cannot create polls of any kind on Facebook, though this is a moot point. Technically anyone can become a member of Facebook so you are splitting hairs slightly. quote: It may not matter what the intent of the poll was. If the results of security analysis conclude that a poll of this type may have even the tiniest bit of sincerity behind it, the Secret Service will get it yanked. I'm sure that Facebook didn't simply roll over on this one; they probably put up a good private fight (at least, for the sake of its membership, I hope they did) but given the type of evidence they may have been presented with, felt they had no choice but to comply. They probably removed it based on their terms of service after someone reported it as in breach. I think it was the right thing to do. I think the SS getting involved is a bit of overkill and perhaps a diversion from more serious threats depending on how easily and quickly they can establish the originator. quote: Again, this is not new information. Security and intelligence agencies get reports of tens, if not hundreds or even thousands, of possible risks every day. Some are turned up by human efforts but most are born as a result of the heuristics of an automated analysis system that data-mines Internet and other electronic communications. This was all made public by the NSA in a documentary about the NSA broadcast by the History Channel in January 2001 (History Channel, History's Mysteries: America's Most Secret Agency, first broadcast 8 Jan 2001; a Wired.com review of the broadcast is here but sadly the History Channel website link no longer works). A likely scenario is that this poll tripped an alert by this system, thus the decision to have it removed. There are obvious flaws in such a system i.e. if all you need to do to distract attention away from something more serious is to create a poll with certain keywords. quote: Many times these things are just spit out by the system and acted upon without anything more than a cursory and unemotional review of such analysis. Or, perhaps this poll was yanked as a reminder to others planning more nefarious actions that they're being watched. In any event, all we can do here is speculate -- sometimes wildly. The poll probably just drew complaints from other users and perhaps that is both how it was highlighted to the SS and Facebook; through concerned citizens. Depends how long the poll was running for: to crawl across the web, analyse all the information and interpret the output takes time but for a user to be disgusted by something and inform the authorities probably takes a bit less time. Pure speculation on my part this is however.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 1:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You're joking right? Not today, it is my day off from humour. quote: What if I was in the gate area at Heathrow and passed out a poll to the other passengers waiting for the flight that said: "Do you think the terrorists that downed the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie had valid reasons for doing so?". Do you think I'll make my flight? In this theoretical situation are you genuinely conducting a survey for people’s opinions at Heathrow before randomly travelling elsewhere in the world to widen your survey? You should confine your examples to realistic parallels to what I said because obviously in that example you are just fear mongering thus why would you then want to catch a plane elsewhere anyway? For one thing you are defiantly not a terrorist: I don't know any terrorist stupid enough to conduct a survey prior to boarding a flight, in general they tend to keep a low profile.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 1:37:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 If you were to say whackos exist everywhere, I'd be more inclined to believe it. Someone was behind that screen, "on the internet" when they posted it. So its circulating in someone's head. The problem with that mind behind the internet is that you don't know: 1) What age it is. 2) What mental age it is. 3) What drugs it is influenced by. 4) What capabilities it has to make such a plan reality. 5) If it was part of some sick game done for a bet. A bit too soon to consider it a definite threat. I know we like to attempt to police what is going on in people’s minds so just be careful you never say on the internet that you'd like to kill your boss or release other forms of stress by writing things down rather than acting them out. I'm not going to make apologies for this guy but it just worries me things we used to shrug off as irrelevant now allow idiots infamy.

FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 1:55:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I would not presume that anything that I have to say is something to be immediately discarded as UFO stuff. In fact- I am certain otherwise. Every now and then I hear from someone on the other side (CM) that makes a conversation of one of my comments. I noted that this was a RUMOR. And to anyone who knows what goes on in intel- the idea is not entirely out of line. It's just that some rumors are so horrible, they aren't worth repeating... It does no one any good to start wondering if the president can trust his protectors. I think he made the choice to do so, when he chose to run for the presidency, regardless of anyone's past sins. I just don't like mean spirited paranoid ideas passed on, and I don't expect my opinion means anything to you, I'm just sayin'... Especially when you cannot verify the veracity of such a nasty rumor. I read a book as a child, which basically taught that 3 things should be present, before one passes on information: truth, necessity, and benevolence. I wish all people, myself included, would use those simple lessons more often. quote: NormalOutside Large portions of the general population are finally waking up to what's going on. It'll be an interesting autumn. Amazingly looney statement! M

rulemylife -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 2:02:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 In this theoretical situation are you genuinely conducting a survey for people’s opinions at Heathrow before randomly travelling elsewhere in the world to widen your survey? You should confine your examples to realistic parallels to what I said because obviously in that example you are just fear mongering thus why would you then want to catch a plane elsewhere anyway? For one thing you are defiantly not a terrorist: I don't know any terrorist stupid enough to conduct a survey prior to boarding a flight, in general they tend to keep a low profile. I think you understand my point quite well, though you are trying to evade it. The innocent questions idea you brought up earlier would be taken very seriously in this hypothetical situation as they were in the Facebook case.

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