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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 2:13:15 PM)

Firstly I'd wonder why that particular survey was being conducted in that particular place by yourself. The President doesn't live on the internet so if perhaps someone was going door to door and knocked on the Whitehouse with this Facebook poll my feelings would be different as to if such a poll is threatening to the President. The President who as it happens is a political figure so will occasionally draw unjustifiable public frustration that could appear threatening but isn't.

When they invent telepathy in the future we’d probably all end up in jail without this understanding that what we think we could do isn’t always what we actually could do in reality.




tazzygirl -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 5:06:36 PM)

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What Constitutes a "Threat?"

According to this law -- 18 USC Sec. 871 -- which reads, in part:

"...Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

That covers a lot of deeds and statements. It gives the Secret Service a lot of latitude when conducting an investigation. There is a very good reason for this. Few jobs are more dangerous than President of the United States.

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Presidential Shooting Gallery?
Okay, maybe the Secret Service does stretch semantics in the two cases above, but can they afford not to? Consider this: While the murder rate among private Americans is 1 out of 13,530 people, 1 out of 10 US Presidents has been assassinated (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy) and a fifth (Reagan) was shot. Eleven others were uninjured in failed assassination attempts.

Remember Francisco Martin Duran? Back in 1994, he told some people he was going to kill President Clinton. Nobody took him seriously. But on October 29, 1994, in broad daylight and surrounded by tourists, Duran walked up to the White House fence and fired at least 29, 7.62 mm rifle rounds into Mr. Clinton's home.

Or how about Giuseppe Zangara who took a shot at President Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 because, "I don't hate Mr. Roosevelt personally... I hate all officials and everybody who is rich."

Imagine living every day with the knowledge that somebody, somewhere, is making plans to kill you. It would be enough to make me apply pretty liberal definitions to the word "threat."

Every year, the Secret Service investigates over 1,500 reported or discovered threats against the President. While most people who threaten the President are just venting, even joking, all reported threats are taken very seriously and those who make them are in for, at least, a tough time.

As their name implies, the Secret Service does not seek publicity. As a result, some very scary cases of threats against the President can only be found in law books...

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Threat or Criticism

Where is the line drawn? When does a critical remark become a threat? On one extreme is the off-hand comment, the letter to a friend, the email to a co-worker, or message posted in a newsgroup. On the other, the twisted psychotic plot. Clearly, the circumstances of delivery make a great deal of difference. A "letter to the editor", or speech intelligently attacking the President's every action and policy is our right and should never be construed as a physical threat. Screaming obscenities in the President's face, sending threatening mail to the White House, or publicly stating a desire to see the President harmed are not only acts of shameful disrespect, they should always be considered threats under the law.


http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa040398.htm

I think that explains it nicely.




sappatoti -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 8:01:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
... I think that explains it nicely.

Yes it does and thank you for posting that tazzy.




tazzygirl -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (9/30/2009 8:21:11 PM)

awww your welcome. as i have said before... we have the freedom of speech. to say any ole thing we want. along with that freedom comes the resposibility to be held accountable for what we say.

in case that isnt clear for some posters

you can scream "fire" in a crowded theater... dont be surprised when your locked up

you can yell "bomb" in an airport... again... dont act surprised when no one else is laughing at your own joke.




EyemKnotHear -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (10/3/2009 5:32:08 PM)

to suggest killing another person, making a movie of it, making a video of it, whether facebook, myspace, u tube no matter who is the intended target is is wrong (girls against another girl in school, against president, anyone)

the end




Blaakmaan -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (10/3/2009 5:55:40 PM)

Perhaps this is only an academic, theoretical discussion for some of you.

But, as one who has lived long enough to see the actual assassinations of President John Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert Kennedy, and the attempted assassinations of George Wallace, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan (all of whom are quite far to the right of me on the political spectrum), and as an African-American, the discussion of an insane poll like this is not the least bit humorous, academic or theoretical to me.

This is some sick shit, and unfortunately it appears to be getting sicker by the day.




slvemike4u -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (10/4/2009 12:14:41 AM)

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Anyone care to do a google search on tabloid headlines in Dallas Nov.1963....




DomKen -> RE: Facebook yanks poll asking whether to kill Obama (10/4/2009 2:27:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

[sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]
Anyone care to do a google search on tabloid headlines in Dallas Nov.1963....

I used to have a book of the Dallas Morning News stories, editorials and editorial cartoons leading up to the assassination. It was shocking how openly the paper was calling for violence against JFK.




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