SadistDave
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Try reading The Art of War. Know the enemy as you know yourself.
The Bible is the central book that polarizes Christian thought. It is pointless to debate or discuss the merits of the belief system without first knowing the stupidity of the core belief. Frankly, I think every atheist should have a working knowledge of the primary religions they must deal with on a daily basis, in order to follow the only rules of engagement that theists understand. "It's in the book!" is the only thought process they understand. Unfortunately, most Christians are only aware of the couple of dozen scriptures that are regurgitated to them in their God sanctioned brain washing sessions on Sunday mornings. Usually, by the time they've had their little fellowship over a tasty potluck dinner they've forget those lessons until the next weeks festivities.
Reason and logic do not fit into their comfortable little belief system. I find that knowing the Bible better than most Christians is something that actually strikes a chord in their comfort zones. For instance, it's very disconcerting when someone is preaching to you about how God can't lie, and you can rattle off the scriptures that say he does (with chapter and verse). Eventually, they start to actually think about their beliefs when someone can consistantly call them on their personal bullshit using the only resource they respond to.
That is, after all, the point. Getting them to actually think about the things they believe in. Human thought follows fairly predictable patterns. Two people talking (debating, arguing, etc.) about a topic using two trains of thought rarely solves anything. However, when debating a topic using the same information then the person who is most informed will always prevail. In other words, you can't argue against faith using science. That is why atheists consistantly fail to get through to believers. Look at the evolution-v-creation argument. Believers cannot make the leap from "God done it" to something as complex as Big Bang Theory without an intermediate step. That intermediate step needs to be something they DO understand. So you can turn to the Bible and ask a couple of simple questions like....
How did God create light before he created light creating objects? (Genesis 1:3-5 & 1:14-19)
Why would an all-knowing being create plants (Genesis 1:11 ) before creating the sun that allows them to live (Genesis 1:14-19)?
Stars are suns in other solar systems. If God made our sun first, how is it possible that there are older solar systems than ours?(Genesis 1:16)
These questions cannot be answered by the Bible, nor can they be explained away with pseodo-science. In a serious conversation, a believer who is honest with him/herself must at least admit that some of the things they believe are in error, which flies in the face of blind belief in a religious text. This is the missing step that has caused atheists to fail in their debates with theists on every level. As long as there is no doubt in the mind of the faithful, they cannot be moved to reason.
However, this is not the topic at hand. If you would like to discuss what is an insult to atheism or atheist methodology, perhaps a new topic would be more appropriate. I would be happy to debate either topic with you in another thread. Please e-mail me with the topic name, because I really don't haunt these forums very much.
This thread is about Good and Evil. The predominant religion here seems to be Christianity. I simply used the appropriate scriptures to create an intermediate step for the faithful on their path to reason by providing them with the evidence that God is evil from the very book that led them to believe that God is good.
I can work on "God is imaginary" in another thread...
-SD-
< Message edited by SadistDave -- 10/2/2009 11:54:57 PM >
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