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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:05:44 AM

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...I shouldn't have to inspire her submission any more than I should inspire her integrity...

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:25:19 AM

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I'm baffled about where the "misleading" part comes in, as long as the Dominant or Master in question is straightforward about his requirements.

Shall we limit ourselves to just this part and divest the rest which is more personal opinions?

What you are saying is something I nor only agree with but have been defending all along. My statement about so many posts and/or profiles bringing up the desires of some girl that she is in effect looking for a romantic relationship as in a boyfriend who will master her is fine however if you take a step back and try to see the scene through then eyes of a person reasonable new to the lifestyles or kink if you prefer, it could reasonably give a false reading that in order to find a suitable slave you darned nearly have to marry her if you want to collar her. Now I will agree this may well be the ultimate hopes of a good number of both males and females and to be honest especially if you are mono, it would be a jolly good thing and save hassles with a vanilla partner further down the track, especially as I do know how intimate some play is and how subtly sexual or at least erotic it is to be doing non sexual kinky things to a slave. I may not always want or even think about sex with some slave I am playing with, but later I know just how randy I am probable going to be. My main argument is regarding the original post i was responding to from sravaka was that besides her obvious dislike of those blokes who want a no romantic frills relationship with a slave who will be involved in both domestic and some sexual duties, that her argument was blatantly discriminating against a good number of males who want just that as you can find tends to me common in both the Victorian and Gorean Lifestyles. The misleading only comes in when either party does not state up front what sort of relationship dynamic they will settle for and expect. I know in some cases this is not deliberate misleading, but rather people trying to write the most appealing profiles. Personally I prefer a longish one but stating outright what is expected and what is not going to be considered. Perhaps you and I have ben ay cross purposes here simply for the same reason that masters or instructors are so used to the knowledge and skills they teach they forget what it is like from as new person's point of view thus things we do and take for granted need to be brought back to the forefront of our minds.

Hope this doesn't sound confusing bur strewth, it's 3.23am here and I haven't slept for 50+ hours so there may be some differential between what I am trying to impart and what is actually being posted.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:25:32 AM

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which is why i firmly believe that slaves are born not made. those traits should be part of her makeup period. at the very least i have noticed that is true for those that find great joy in their surrender and are remarkable at what they do.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:26:34 AM

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...I shouldn't have to inspire her submission any more than I should inspire her integrity...

Amen!

...and a gazillion points.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:28:41 AM

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I think that in terms of a "no limits" slave who doesn't do housework, they must be exclusively thinking of sexual or edge-play related limits. I think in a forum like this it is fairly ridiculous to announce to the world that you are a "no limits" slave. I would not choose the term myself in my own relationship, merely because it sounds fake and silly to me. Of course there are limits. How fast do these discussions run to the stabbing/disfiguring/dismembering/death sort of talk. Of course there are limits of what one sane person will do with another. Master and I have been together long enough that I can say with certainty that I do not impose limits on him. His wife and my husband may and do put a constraint or two on what we do, but there is nothing Master would be interested in doing to me that I would refuse. There are quite a few things other dominants in the world might want to do with me that I would refuse, if I were looking for another partner. I think on a relationship level, no limits basically means "we have explored enough to know our limits are well-suited" or somesuch. While searching, it just makes people think you are an idiot or want to test the limits of your sanity.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:30:23 AM

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any slave who walks into my house today, would see housework as the most intense edge play.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 10:58:22 AM

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...I think on a relationship level, no limits basically means "we have explored enough to know our limits are well-suited"...

that might work for you, your husband, your Master and his wife, but there are others who really do mean they don't feel the need to limit their partner...and not because they have gone through an exploration of well-suited lists of limits.

everyone is not an insane violent sadistic murderer merely kept in check by everyone else's hard limits and safewords.

some folk actually believe that if an individual intends to stab/disfigure/dismember/kill another, having it as a "limit" or safewording right before it happens isn't going to PREVENT it...so what, exactly, is the point in bringing it into a discussion about an intimate relationship?

have you, or anyone you personally know, had such an experience and were indeed able to prevent someone from stabbing/disfiguring/dismembering/killing you by listing it as a limit, or using your safeword?

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 11:02:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: beltainefaerie

I think in a forum like this it is fairly ridiculous to announce to the world that you are a "no limits" slave. I would not choose the term myself in my own relationship, merely because it sounds fake and silly to me.

Yup. That would be me. A fake, silly and totally ridiculously (happy&content) no limits slave.

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Of course there are limits.

Except when there are not.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 11:07:12 AM

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...I think on a relationship level, no limits basically means "we have explored enough to know our limits are well-suited"...

that might work for you, your husband, your Master and his wife, but there are others who really do mean they don't feel the need to limit their partner...and not because they have gone through an exploration of well-suited lists of limits.

everyone is not an insane violent sadistic murderer merely kept in check by everyone else's hard limits and safewords.

some folk actually believe that if an individual intends to stab/disfigure/dismember/kill another, having it as a "limit" or safewording right before it happens isn't going to PREVENT it...so what, exactly, is the point in bringing it into a discussion about an intimate relationship?

have you, or anyone you personally know, had such an experience and were indeed able to prevent someone from stabbing/disfiguring/dismembering/killing you by listing it as a limit, or using your safeword?

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 11:53:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...I think on a relationship level, no limits basically means "we have explored enough to know our limits are well-suited"...

that might work for you, your husband, your Master and his wife, but there are others who really do mean they don't feel the need to limit their partner...and not because they have gone through an exploration of well-suited lists of limits.

everyone is not an insane violent sadistic murderer merely kept in check by everyone else's hard limits and safewords.

some folk actually believe that if an individual intends to stab/disfigure/dismember/kill another, having it as a "limit" or safewording right before it happens isn't going to PREVENT it...so what, exactly, is the point in bringing it into a discussion about an intimate relationship?

have you, or anyone you personally know, had such an experience and were indeed able to prevent someone from stabbing/disfiguring/dismembering/killing you by listing it as a limit, or using your safeword?

Now that, beth, is an awesome post. I suppose it's the CM version of pulling the blankets over your head to ward off the bogieman

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 12:10:56 PM

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That is the wonderful thing about my Master. When i am there, it is just automatic for me to sweep, mop, dust, vaccum, and wash the clothing, i do this because i love Him and want to make His life a bit easier. What is great is that while i start dinner He always is there to help, i love this time not because He is helping but the bonding that occurs while doing so. Yet one more thing that brings us closer.

I agree with you tammystarm.

I do not work outside our home and I am home most of the time and I do all the housework. I don't mind doing it. I like a clean house and I know that he does as well. Would I love to pay someone to come in and clean our modest 3 bedroom/3 bathroom home...heck yes but it really doesn't make sense since I am home most of the time now. He has chores that he does around the house as well and so does our daughter.

We are in the process of forming a poly family. We are taking are time and searching for the right person. In the process of it some people have said they don't/won't do housework or no thank you they are not a maid. Some of these same people have also said that for whatever reason they can't have an outside job either. So they won't have a job outside of the home and they won't do housework. What would they do all day? Wait around to be used sexually? Nice work if you can get it I guess. This minor group of people that we have run across is just in search of a free ride IMO. I understand that these people aren't right for us and we move on in our search but it has caused me to pause and wonder...who does their dishes or their laundry now where they live? We are not looking for someone to come in a clean the house all day long but there are chores that need to be done and a division of labor is currently set up. If we had a roommate we would expect them to clean up after themselves. This means cleaning things and picking up things that they use. We expect it of our daughter and any friends that she has come over, We would expect it of anyone that lived in our home. It is a courtesy to leave someone as clean or as neat as you found it.

I am so done ranting and darn it I have some floors to go clean.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:23:38 PM

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ranja, i don't offer former owner references to anyone -- please tell me you are joking lol nor do i attempt to "SELL" myself as a slave especially not as to how well i can clean a house. I am having this picture of people with slave portfolios lol. Yes, i am here to apply for the position as your slave, here is a picture of me kneeling, here is a reference from a former owner, oh no, i am a good slave he just decided he wanted something different.

Slavery for me has never been the TASKS one can or does perform, its never been what i won't or can't do either. What i do is kinda different i guess, i get to know a Man, i seek the Man, and through getting to know him i learn of what comes natural to him and my natural reactions to him. I don't judge a guy on how well he can give me an order. And usually end up laughing and writing off Men who come at me from the I AM MASTER HEAR ME ROAR his orders. For me, whether or not a Man can be a master of me (which would then make me his slave) depends a lot more on HIM and whether he is capable of achieving what he wishes, than it is on whether or not i jump with glee cause gee golly he has given me a command.

I knew my former owner for a long while prior to becoming his slave, i didn't even KNOW what he was inspecting me for as i didn't have a clue about M/s. In the end when he decided it was time, it felt right and he simply explained how it would be. I can tell you this, if he would have said -- come to my house and clean it for me as i want to see how well you can be a slave, i would have laughed at him and went on my merry way leaving next to him the number 1800-merry maids.

I don't play the silly BDSM concepts of RACK and SSC and have a portfolio of how slave i am etc, i get to know the MEN who intrigue me, who challenge me, who compel me, who won't take my crap and who are capable by being who they are to get me to where they wish me to be. To me, tasks have and never will be what makes a slave or how slavey someone is.

If a Man is incapable of mastering me, i won't humor him by pretending i am a slave to him. I don't need too. I also don't apply to be a Man's slave. I get to know the Man and if he determines he wishes to have me as a slave based on WHO we both are, then its more than likely i am already REACTING to him as a slave and he is capable of seeing potential for me. I don't sell myself as a slave, i simply am myself. I don't actively look to be a slave to any man lol because personally, why the hell would a woman want to live in slavery and actively seek it. What i seek is the Man, the rest, if he wishes it -- will come about as he determines it.

I know a lot of people think its the slave who must hold the relationship dynamic through her choices, i feel the Man holds the relationship dynamic through his determinations. Together, the action and reaction of the Man and woman create the whole of the life and her existance as a slave in his life. However, its getting to know the Man as a Man and he me as a woman, that create the POSSIBILITY of a M/s relationship between us.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:29:45 PM

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NihilusZero,

You say you shouldn't have to inspire her submission. This is where i always wrinkle my brow when i hear this going huh?    Why not? All women should just bow down to you as a god of Men and simply believe? They should just randomly place themselves in a vulnerable position because they see your name and think its cool?

To me, the MAN in and of himself as being WHO he is naturally would stimulate the submission of a woman who is his slave. It would compel her to her knees before him as slave because she needs to be there -- NOT because you can give her orders but because of the Man you are. So yeah, whether you see it or not, you HAVE to inspire her submission otherwise she will seek another who feeds her needs and her natural reactions.    Most Men who are Masters if you watch them, i mean really watch them, they don't ACTIVELY try and be Masters thereby they don't ACTIVELY work to inspire, however, they are who they are and that in and of themselves DO inspire, if they stop inspiring -- she will seek another.

I disagree, a Man does inspire a woman's submission, he does so through being who he is.   For if you would have shown yourself to be a different man in the negative than who you are, i can bet your slave would never have given you a second look.

Men do inspire submission in a woman. Its who he is, its the natural part of him that has her where she is most comfortable, without that, he would most likely never hold the position of Master in a woman's life for he would not be able to sustain the position to where she finds her security and safety as well as her natural existance because of your determinations for her. I have found Men who understand this in a fact concept are Men many women react to in submission easily.

So yeah, you may not realize it but the MAN as a whole does inspire the natural reaction of submission in a woman and more so, he HAS to inspire her submission otherwise she will seek out those who will. Submitting is a concept of following -- women need a catalyst of a leader prior to following. So yeah, Men have to inspire or compel or have SOMETHING that draws a woman to her knees with him specifically.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:34:47 PM

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Ja, I think the issue at hand here is: can a man inspire them to do housework? the rest of that shit is a cakewalk.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:35:20 PM

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Only when inspiration is not a natural occurance.
Now I loathe using the whole 'natural' state of being thang, but if service is innate in a person, it cannot be inspired. It already is.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:36:23 PM

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The "no limits" statement, especially in a advertisnig profile reminds me of what a friend used to say:
there are three limitless things, the vastness of space, the Will of God and the stupidity of people, focus on the last one".

I have yet to meet a slave who says to me she has not limit (maybe I am too creepy?), but if it happens, I will remember the jokes told here and start speaking about my amputation fetish. We will have a good laugh and then we can start discussing seriously.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:38:59 PM

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It is true that a safe word or a discussed list of limits won't stop a serial killer. But it will stop someone a nice guy who loves noncon rape scenes from thinking it's fine to do this to a woman who has PTSD about this very issue.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:44:56 PM

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Chuckles, Ron, the Man who can inspire me to do housework needs to be goldplated lol cause i am more of Tom Sawyer concept or dialing 1800 merry maids to get it done.

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Slave doesn't equate service being innate in a person. I think people are missing that not all slaves are ultra submissives nor do all slaves come into slavery through being submissive by nature or service oriented by nature. Slave is very reactionary for a lot of women -- the right Man comes along and they find themselves mastered and enslaved. Which is why you can have naturally dominant women thrive in slavery because a man was capable of making her a slave.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 1:55:41 PM

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the.dark.,

Slave doesn't equate service being innate in a person. I think people are missing that not all slaves are ultra submissives nor do all slaves come into slavery through being submissive by nature or service oriented by nature. Slave is very reactionary for a lot of women -- the right Man comes along and they find themselves mastered and enslaved. Which is why you can have naturally dominant women thrive in slavery because a man was capable of making her a slave.

angel

I totally get that slave doesn't = service. Service doesn't = anything but service.
However if service is innate in a person - regardless of orientation - it isn't necessarily inspired.
Same goes for submission.
Or dominance.
Or anything.

If it is innate, it cannot be inspired. It simply 'is' and already exists. Some people have red hair. Some do not and inspire it. Everything has that possibility - or non possibility.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 2:03:44 PM

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I don't know the.dark, if its not inspired in any way then people would AUTOMATICALLY do what is innate to them, yes? And its been shown that an average person doesn't automatcally serve random people (well shown in discussions like this) Especially if its action type orientation?

You have thrown me for a loop lol which isn't easy to do in this concept, but i will think on this, i need to connect red hair and submission cause i can't even with regard to natural concepts. I guess i will have to figure out what serve oriented means in terms of being innate.

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