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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 4:23:12 PM   
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Home cleaning is not that much work. In the time you talk with them about doing it...it could have been finished.
IF they live here...they help..period.

btw...My pc, tv and home theatre..I clean myself... ;)


Haha, well that sounds eminently fair! After all, the slave could get cooties on those items if she cleaned them. :p

But what I meant to say was, you make a very good point about the "talk time" vs. the "clean time." That is so often the case.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 4:33:52 PM   
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Not to hijack my own thread or anything (rolls eyes at self) but that's a very interesting idea. I am very different in my approach/experiences. I cannot help but love the person I serve. Maybe love is the wrong word. Worship? Adore? Throw myself in front of them to take a bullet? That's the feeling that I mean. While it's not the reason I seek out service, it's just something that happens to me in a sexual-emotional control relationship, the more I feel that connection, whatever name you give it, the more it inspires me to serve better. Maybe I was a dog in a past life? Or will be in a future life, yikes!


i will love my Owner. i wasn't implying that would never occur. but love isn't why i choose to serve Him. if that is the crux of my reasoning then the likelihood of my servitude changing should those feelings alter is very probable. i have found that the feelings you've mentioned will eventually come to pass. but at the onset i am on bended knee because i agreed to such and haven't affixed a time frame on the manifestation of the other components. i feel love adds to my servitude, but it will never be the sole reason it exists.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 4:46:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		HI Beth and the.dark,

I do understand that part - i think but let me talk it out hang on lol....

it would be logical to presume that then 2% of the population (if we use the statistical concept of redheads) would be innately submissive as an extreme wherein they are 100% naturally submissive wherein it occurs as a natural deferment to ALL rather than few who would inspire their submission. It would also be logical to presume that 1/2 of those women have never found D/s or M/s as we know it on this website, i would also halve that to state that these women are also susceptible to find themselves in abusive situations due to their lack of needing to be inspired by the Men who they submit too. So that would leave us with what about a fourth if that of natural submissives being involved in the type of active acknowledgement as people do on this website.

So we are speaking of a very small number with regard to an extreme where the service innately part of someone rules their life with no attestment to chosing who to serve and using their own expectations to do so.

So it would stand to reason that MOST women even on websites such as this are not innately service oriented, but do in fact somehow pick and choose whether instinctively due to their reactions to the Men or some actually pick and choose the Men actively. Even on these boards alone you see people who indicate they are naturally service-oriented and naturally submissive yet if you read their posts they really are not to everyone, which would indicate that their submission is in fact inspired by certain people and who those people are and they are not to others.

So why wouldn't it stand to reason that MOST men unless they find one of the few who would not need any sort of inspiration, would have to somehow inspire or compel the women to her knees before HIM and not another.

So in the end, a Man somehow has to either inspire or compel the woman to gravitate to HIM and not another man looking for the same thing he is.

While my mind can't process what it really means to be innately service oriented and the bell curve of same -- i am not service oriented at all, i would presume most women while they are somewhat service-oriented and submissive by nature its not a whole of their nature which means its a concept of being selective. Which means that whether its conscious or unconscious they somehow are selective in their service and submission which means they are gravitating towards a Man for a certain reason which stands to reason he is DOING or BEING something that compels or inspires her submissive and service nature to him.

I would say most Men do not find the innately service-oriented and non-selectively submissive, wherein it would mean he somehow would have to inspire or compel that part if her where she gravitates to express that to him and not someone else.

I think that makes sense lol.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 5:30:50 PM   
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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:05:22 PM   
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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:16:07 PM   
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If you don't care to think about the question, that's fine, but then why respond in a thread that so doesn't interest you just to say that the question is fruitless and you refuse to think about it? Where's the fruit? ;)

In the grand scheme of things, at least in my grand scheme, absolutely nothing said on this forum "matters." But it does past the time to shoot the bull. :)


because that is my opinion and it needn't validate yours to be valid. you posed a question, one that i don't sit around pondering because i don't care what people call themselves. which is a response. perhaps not the one you'd hope for but one nonetheless.

porcelaine



Oh, no, no, no, no no! This isn't about differences of O-PIN-on or validation of said O-PIN-ions, but it may be about different practices. I just don't understand why people would reply in a thread to say something isn't worth replying to! It's hard to wrap my mind around the paradox and tie a neat bow. And it also strikes me as kind of...futile? (not sure if that's the right word.) If if I find a thread not worth responding in, I just don't respond in it, period. I do understand, though, that other people's non-response might be a bit more verbose than mine. ;)

(Take me with a grain of salt, please, I am in a jolly mood tonight, not being too serious. :D)


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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:17:29 PM   
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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:20:57 PM   
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then darling RUN! its a mad house tonight



Alice in Wonderland? Red Queen? Mad Hatter and hare?!? That catipillar!?! YIKES! :D

*runs*

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:22:32 PM   
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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 6:29:34 PM   
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So what....little elves come over and take care of the housework?



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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 7:00:54 PM   
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(Take me with a grain of salt, please, I am in a jolly mood tonight, not being too serious. :D)



i am as well. and i'm painting the roses red.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/5/2009 8:22:28 PM   
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No, it's called the man gets off his ass and picks up and cleans up after his ownself  and don't expect her to be his maid and housekeeper lol.
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So what....little elves come over and take care of the housework?




I certainly have no fear of work.

But any girl who figures she's gonna lounge around looking sexy while others take care of chores can just keep walking.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 7:14:26 AM   
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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 7:36:53 AM   
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Chuckles, Ron, the Man who can inspire me to do housework needs to be goldplated lol cause i am more of Tom Sawyer concept or dialing 1800 merry maids to get it done.

the.dark.,

Slave doesn't equate service being innate in a person.  I think people are missing that not all slaves are ultra submissives nor do all slaves come into slavery through being submissive by nature or service oriented by nature.  Slave is very reactionary for a lot of women -- the right Man comes along and they find themselves mastered and enslaved.  Which is why you can have naturally dominant women thrive in slavery because a man was capable of making her a slave. 

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 7:40:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jeff, I'd even go a bit further and venture to guess that a lot of people don't want a submissive or slave who would yield to just anybody, that it would make it less special and meaningful. For me, it's neither nature nor nurture - it's very specific response to the individual person. For me, it's more like being in love or having sexual chemistry - it doesn't happen in isolation.

beth, IIRC, you've mentioned something of the sort yourself in previous posts. I don't have any problem with your feeling that your submission is more of a personality trait, or that you respond to most people that way. For me, and a lot of other submissives and slaves here though, it simply doesn't work that way.

porcelaine, I'm a bit service-oriented as a general rule, but I don't consider that to be directly linked to D/s. If I'm at a friend's house for dinner or another event, I pretty much automatically offer to help with cleaning up/dishes/etc. I enjoy volunteering, and doing things for people I care about, and feeling useful. I'm generally compliant, unless someone tries to get pushy about it. Then, I dig in my heels and do my best mule impression. I wasn't "born" a slave, though, and I didn't actively seek out this dynamic. That's what worked for me with my Master, quite specifically. I'm able to meet his expectations, his demands, and his standards.

NZ, I wouldn't date anybody unless they had integrity, a good character, compatible values, and I could respect and admire them to some degree. Even that isn't enough, we also need some chemistry, and to be compatible in other respects. When I was looking, a potential submissive would need to have just as much integrity as a potential dominant would have. I e-mailed and went out with people of any BDSM or D/s orientation. It just didn't really matter much to me one way or the other. I was mostly looking for a kinky boyfriend, and D/s was icing - optional, but wonderful if it happened. I couldn't possibly agree to submit to someone, no matter how willing I was to be obedient, even if I liked bottoming to him, and I was equally unwilling to call myself someone's Domme or Mistress unless I felt that yielding from him. A lot of people use topping and dominating interchangeably, but it simply doesn't work that way for me. In relationships, I generally lean a little bit dominant, but not enough to have a formal D/s relationship. I assume that someone who is looking for a submissive or slave wouldn't want an egalitarian kinky relationship with someone who doesn't feel the slightest bit submissive toward him, even if she's service-oriented and obedient. It's not that he's arrogant, and I didn't just fall to my knees from being in the same room with him initially. We explored, and the reaction was there pretty much right from the start, but he had to do things to make me react that way. Now that the relationship and dynamic is established, he doesn't have to exert conscious effort - I feel that way about him even when he's asleep, or we're not in the same location.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 7:44:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

No, it's called the man gets off his ass and picks up and cleans up after his ownself  and don't expect her to be his maid and housekeeper lol.
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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So what....little elves come over and take care of the housework?




I certainly have no fear of work.

But any girl who figures she's gonna lounge around looking sexy while others take care of chores can just keep walking.
Add to this LaTigresse's agreement...Exactly.

Now, add in my agreement.  We both do work around the home or she does work around the home but I don't work while she sits unless she's ill.

This has been an interesting read...nature vs. nurture, false advertising, etc., etc..
I have to say that while I agree that not all people are "born" submissives or "dominants", I think one thing that has been lost in all the discussion is this...while we may not be "born" dominant/submissive, for most of us it becomes part of our character.  The degree to which it is expressed with differing folks may be different but it is there.  Inspiration of submission or slavery?  Difficult for me to state whether I do that consciously or not...if there is a submissive I am interested in, I tend to court her somewhat as I am also interested in a romantic relationship with a submissive but how much I try to inspire her submission during this courtship is questionable as I tend to be just ME when I am dealing with someone...because if they don't like me as I am, then they aren't going to like me if I have used false pretenses or artificial constructs in the hopes of becoming interesting to them while courting them.  Inspiration as its been spoken of by some posters on here has come across as a sort of "test"...and I don't do tests.  The level of dominance I feel towards a person has more to do with who they are and how I feel towards that "who" than it does with any specific behavior of theirs.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 8:13:02 AM   
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...So we are speaking of a very small number with regard to an extreme where the service innately part of someone rules their life with no attestment to chosing who to serve and using their own expectations to do so...orig:  barelynangel


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...beth, IIRC, you've mentioned something of the sort yourself in previous posts. I don't have any problem with your feeling that your submission is more of a personality trait, or that you respond to most people that way. For me, and a lot of other submissives and slaves here though, it simply doesn't work that way...orig:  Andalusite


this slave responds to these topics to share with others that there is no absolutism, no one true way of submission/slavery...whichever way works for the individual is what is important.  hopefully, that has been obvious by this slave's responses here.
 
this slave is well aware that MOST that perceive themselves as submissive/slave DO NOT have the same experience with their submission/slavery that she does...it is as blatantly obvious as the fact that MOST don't have red hair.  again, this slave's comments are not intended to espouse a one-true-way-of-submission/slavery---it is merely HER experiences & perception.
 
this slave doesn't relate with the words that MOST folks use to describe their experience with submission/slavery.  specifically that it is inspired, engendered, earned, triggered, chosen, a challenge, a struggle or as a distinctive feeling one gets from performing certain tasks or from specific folks or situations.
 
from this slave's perspective, it doesn't make her any more or less slavey, sane, or cool than the next submissive/slave and it definitely makes her LESS desirable to MOST.
and she can live with that.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 10:17:16 AM   
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Jeff, I'd even go a bit further and venture to guess that a lot of people don't want a submissive or slave who would yield to just anybody, that it would make it less special and meaningful.

Actually, I probably would. Just because a sub/slave does not see hir submission as an on/off switch doesn't mean they they have no other means by which to gauge the quality of a partner.

How often do we have to harp on the mentality that slaves are "doormats" (a maligned term, imho) or fundamentally brainless creatures and yet there is still this presumption that, unless someone's submission can be flipped on and off at will, they have no scruples at all and will jump in bed with the first breathing thing to come along.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 1:41:19 PM   
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Hrm, should I do this here, or in another thread?

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 1:42:43 PM   
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