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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 7:37:10 PM   
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You have never observed eternal torture, nor have I.
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You have never observed eternal torture, nor have I.


I'm not sure of what your point is in that comment, Cake.


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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 7:39:03 PM   
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You have never observed eternal torture, nor have I.


True, but fat threads come pretty close.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 7:45:26 PM   
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Well... then why does god allow people miserable hopeless lives filled with suffering?



You are subject to the free will of others. As they are subject to yours.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 9:20:02 PM   
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Eternal torture or eternal bliss, the Pharisic types will have nothing to do with it.

They believe that the corporeal life is the only life. You die, you are dead, that is it. I don't completely agree but I understand it.

Also logically they could have some notion of an afterlife way different than the norm, and be acting logically. One could assert that there is a reason for death, which is to purposely seperate the corporeal life from the "after"life. Almost as if we aren't supposed to know about it.

While I can understand the reasoning, I do not completely agree. What indeed would the world be like if the Bible had never been written ? It does not teach true morality, but I believe it does set one on that path. There are truths in there that are profound, but most are so vague it is hard to catch them. Some of it is anectdotal, with a moral to the story in a way.

Enough for now, but suffice it to say if you want me to join your group, you better not tell me I have to kill someone who has not hurt me. Smite the Lord's enemies. Fuck that, from what I hear he could just wipe them out in notime. Plus the fact that supposedly He created them. This simply does not pass muster. This is too fucking illogical for a being that can figure out a whole universe, the solar system and all this shit. And as much as I hate to say it, Judge Judy said "If it doesn't make any sense it is usually not true". I have no argument against that one.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 9:27:46 PM   
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RE: God's Gays - 10/6/2009 9:55:07 PM   
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ternal torture.

well, I am not allowed to mention "soneone's butt" anymore.

BUTT if we can have eternal torture of PALIN'S butt, on camera, eternal torture takes on a whole new sugary gloss and appeal.

How ever if it is even three minutes of torture of a bony booty that should never be eqauted to a true butt (RE Paris Hilton's) then I am 100% AGAINST IT.

And since this thread involves gays and they are te pre-eminant arbitors of ass-centric culture, I feel democratically free in saying so.  Since my queer friends are VERY picky about which butts they socially deify.

as in Folsom and Castro in SF and Oxford in Sydney.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 3:38:31 PM   
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Well... then why does god allow people miserable hopeless lives filled with suffering?



You are subject to the free will of others. As they are subject to yours.


If God is omniscient doesn't he know our decisions before we make them?  Why would he create people who he knows will make decisions that will lead to misery and suffering?

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 3:44:25 PM   
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You have never observed eternal torture, nor have I.
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You have never observed eternal torture, nor have I.


I'm not sure of what your point is in that comment, Cake.


   What I said originally was "I see no evidence."  You refuted me.  I still see no evidence, since I have not observed the eternal torture you speak of. 

I don't believe the Bible speaks of an unending torture after death.  The eternity that Christ spoke of is always the eternity of this moment.  Are you being tortured right now?  I am not, and I am half-queer, an adultress, and a blasphemer.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 3:48:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or  Smite the Lord's enemies.
   I am with you here.  I don't even like a God who HAS enemies.  Who would count as an enemy?  Who wouldn't?  Yuck.  I'd rather follow a God who offers universal love - so I do.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 4:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your god sounds like a fucking hippie compared to, say the god of these people.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 4:33:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or  Smite the Lord's enemies.
   I am with you here.  I don't even like a God who HAS enemies.  Who would count as an enemy?  Who wouldn't?  Yuck.  I'd rather follow a God who offers universal love - so I do.


LOL.. read the threads sometimes... and yo will see the enemies. And they arent enemies... lol

Smite... again... can mean many things depending on the usage. I can smite the phone from your hand... or you can be smited in battle (and that doesnt mean you have to die.. just lose)

gesh, people are so touchy about what they are told instead of finding out for themselves.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 6:19:05 PM   
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Your god sounds like a fucking hippie compared to, say the god of these people.

I just read their FAQ. For a nominally Christian church (Baptist), it is interesting to note that none of the Biblical references they cite include a single teaching of Christ in support of their views. Not to put too fine a point on it, unless you click on the "Dear Elect Jews" link, which opens a screed about the Jews killing Christ, you won't find the words "Christ" or "Christian" anywhere on their home page. What it does say, however, first paragraph, first sentence, is...

Since 1955, Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) has taken forth the precious from the vile, and so is as the mouth of God.

Now oddly enough, I do seem to remember Christ having something to say about that sort thing, eh? Wouldn't it be nice if some of these "Christian" churchs were more Christ-ian?

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 9:52:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Your god sounds like a fucking hippie compared to, say the god of these people. "

this coming from the guy with the userpic that's half Haight Ashbury and half lead singer of the 90's wannabe indie/alternative band responsible for the unforgivable sin of unleashing the "Bee Girl" upon the world...?

man, on a Christian note, let "those without sin" and stones, and...  well, you know.

(please note I refuse to make a cheap joke RE the heroin related death of the singer of that band; such was a tragedy, unlike the shotgun and Kurt Cobain-Mouth blind-date, which was a relief)

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 11:03:18 PM   
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Well... then why does god allow people miserable hopeless lives filled with suffering?



You are subject to the free will of others. As they are subject to yours.


If God is omniscient doesn't he know our decisions before we make them? (Yes he does) 

Why would he create people who he knows will make decisions that will lead to misery and suffering?

(Because without free will you would be a robot incapable of choosing to listen to him. And incapable of changing. You can't always protect children from themselves. No lesson is learned if no mistake is allowed to take place.)



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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 11:22:45 PM   
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and he'll use a Bee Girl, somehow, to do it.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 11:48:58 PM   
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(Because without free will you would be a robot incapable of choosing to listen to him. And incapable of changing. You can't always protect children from themselves. No lesson is learned if no mistake is allowed to take place.)

Technically, a deity being omniscient means we are robots and that we were only given denial and delusion by this deity to wallow in ignorance about the fact that this deity knowingly creates creatures that will suffer; and suffer not only via the hardships of an imperfect world he has gifted (presumably because a peaceful one wouldn't be 'tough love' enough), but via eternal torment for not metaphysically masturbating said deity to it's desired degree (a result which was known and installed by the very same deity).




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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 11:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		again, Nihilus in IRISH PRE-CHRISTIAN faith, this is not the case.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/7/2009 11:53:39 PM   
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again, Nihilus in IRISH PRE-CHRISTIAN faith, this is not the case.

So in this "IRISH PRE-CHRISTIAN faith" you speak of, there exists a theistic deity with no system of consequence for adherence or devotion?


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RE: God's Gays - 10/8/2009 12:05:50 AM   
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(Because without free will you would be a robot incapable of choosing to listen to him. And incapable of changing. You can't always protect children from themselves. No lesson is learned if no mistake is allowed to take place.)

Technically, a deity being omniscient means we are robots and that we were only given denial and delusion by this deity to wallow in ignorance about the fact that this deity knowingly creates creatures that will suffer; and suffer not only via the hardships of an imperfect world he has gifted (presumably because a peaceful one wouldn't be 'tough love' enough), but via eternal torment for not metaphysically masturbating said deity to it's desired degree (a result which was known and installed by the very same deity).





Knowing peoples decisions does not take away their choice.

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RE: God's Gays - 10/8/2009 12:06:36 AM   
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translations of which are available in the UC campuses.  Which I've read and learned, and well, Neil Gaiman trusted my acumen on this particular topic to illustrate some material for him, and Pat Mills wanted be to do Slania material based on my studies of this material.

and fess up:  you have NEVER read the Lebhor Gabala N' Erenn NOR the Tain Bo Cuailge (nor know how to PRONOUNCE them) nor have ever had ANY interest in them nor even read a page of either record of Pagan Irish til I brought them up on this board (and no, geekboy gaming crap DEVOLUTIONS of these works, such as any WHITE WOLF RPG crap, does not count).  have you?

by the way, luckily since wiki whores are LAZY and deserve to die by the Inquistion Rectal Pear, you won't find much to help you here via any net search that makes use of any "wiki".  Unlessyou are a fan of "Paper Generation", you are gonna be shit outta luck on this challenge.

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