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mnottertail -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 8:49:11 AM)
HEY!!!!!!!!!!! YOU FUCKING HOARDED THE JESUS CRACKERS!!!!! YOU SET THIS IN MOTION!!!!!! YOU HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF!!!!! R

pahunkboy -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 8:55:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Things are pretty much set into motion. 5 cities will be nuked.... tho we did buy a few months. New York- Chicago, Miami, Beijing, and Moscow. It is all a done deal. We won't see 2020. Each day tho is a bonus. (not depressed- just my assessment- the final battle is on the horizon-- Praise the lord!) Did jesus ring you up and give you the 5 cities? Is this airtight? 'Cause I am thinking about putting a fiver on this. So I have a bottle of champagne to toast the meltdown. I hope they do it when a west wind is blowing, so I can taste unadulterated champagne. R The final battle IS AIRTIGHT. The details and timing remain to be seen. We all expire one day.... one way to look at it- is the planet did a pretty good job of holding over 6 billion people/ .....the final battle is not negotiable. Maybe we can delay it- -- who knows. It comes like a thief in the night.

HatesParisHilton -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 8:56:24 AM)
I didn't hoard them. I ATE them all. so I'd have more Jesus in me than you do when the bombs go off. LOL to the power of a googleplex at your post above, btw (and it was alpha who took the Jcrackers and left the site...)

pahunkboy -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:15:58 AM)
To better understand the comment- you can hear this 1 hour show. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/derekdreamer Bob Chapman. (yes- the university with the name IS named after him) Anyhow- each day is a gift. I did not make the rules. Just deal the hand you are dealt. And to those you don't like Chapman- not a problem. His newsletter is read by every embassy in the world.

MzMia -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 8:16:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ~ Fast Reply ~ Snapshots of statistics don't provide indicators of when a 'Depression' will occur. For those unemployed as a result of factories closing, banks merging, and stores going bankrupt; the Depression is occurring. The numbers generated this year are artificial, especially when compared to their 1929 counterparts. Unlike then, the President and Congress, did not implement any 'bail-out' plan or 'stimulus'. Sales and production numbers were not positively influenced by 'cash for clunkers' programs. Gold was still the standard of value. Borrowing rates were set by access and use, not artificially established by the government in an effort to stimulate purchasing and investing. (Investing in new business opportunities NOT the stock market) Yet with all that effort, cornerstone businesses, like Saturn are closing. Banks are still not lending because individuals don't meet the new, and closely monitored guidelines. The lending pendulum has swung from the pinnacle of "find a way to make the loan" attitude; to "find a way to turn down the loan". I heard consideration for a 'cash for refrigerator cluckers' program which may provide more artificial numbers pointing to 'recovery'. Do you see any of the current 'positive' numbers reflected when you go to a mall, or driving down the street and see the abnormal number of boarded up storefronts or 'going out of business' sales? These government numbers are taken with confidence by some instead of what they see and what they hear from people in business or working for a business. The only growth industry is government bureaucracy. With unemployment rising there soon will come a day when not enough revenue can be taken in the form of taxes from those still employed to support the bureaucracy. It is already happening in CA. By the end of this month we'll have a better indication. October is always a critical month when corporations finalize their annual projections. To date, not one sector has met 'plan'. If that trend continues, although by definition we may not be in a 'Depression'; it will look and feel like one. Thank you for a well thought out response, Merc. Even though the coming "Depression" may not directly effect everyone, everyone is effected. These days, we often are our brother's keepers. If many of our brother's are unable to find work/or end up having to take jobs making half of their former salaries, I bet we will see an increase in government assistance, and government programs. I certainly agree, that we will see significant growth in the government.

Musicmystery -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 8:58:26 PM)
People may have to [shudder] start buying homes and cars they can afford, instead of what they wish for. Everyone here who has lost one or both did so because they were overextended. Truth is, the loans should never have been made, and those people wouldn't have been upside down. People learning the difference between a want and a need wouldn't be such a bad thing either. What I DON'T see is any of those neighbors standing in bread lines or selling apples on the corner. They did, however, have to scale down to meet reality--kicking and screaming, perhaps, but back to reality. If all this means people learn to pay as they go and save for down times, I say it's a hard but overdo and important lesson. Learning the true value of their marketable skills, vs. what someone will create for them so they can just show up or it, would also be the start to some real financial maturity (as well as true security and independence). I've taken job hits before. And it sucks. But those were also times of productive self-reassessment and then on to much better opportunities. After a few of those, I learned to make the process continuing, instead of waiting to get kicked. That's real security. It can only come from oneself. The victim thing just doesn't work for me. Never did.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:06:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Learning the true value of their marketable skills, vs. what someone will create for them so they can just show up or it, would also be the start to some real financial maturity (as well as true security and independence). What about the people who aren't marketable, regardless of their skills?

Musicmystery -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:07:27 PM)
Then those aren't marketable skills, are they? Imagine--"There's absolutely nothing I can do of any value!" Bullshit.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:08:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then those aren't marketable skills, are they? So what happens to them?

Musicmystery -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:11:07 PM)
This is a nonsense game. The developmentally disabled are employable, for Christ's sake. But fine. I'm a liberal. Helping others...no problem. Sitting around and whining about not having opportunities because of the times or the politics or the whatever--self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then those aren't marketable skills, are they? Imagine--"There's absolutely nothing I can do of any value!" Bullshit. Lemme give you an example, then. I can type 215 words per minute, corrected. I'm fluent in ANSI C, C++, C#, Java, 8086 Assembler, and (shudder) Visual Basic. I'm proficient in HTML, Javascript, and Flash. I'm fluent in SQL and have managed MySQL, Microsoft SQL Server, and PostgreSQL farms. I'm professionally trained in Photoshop (worked with up to CS3) and CorelDRAW, and am a pretty kick-ass artist and photo manipulator. I'm a traind Six Sigma change agent (the old term was "black belt", but that just seems hokey), with full Lean and Supply Chain Management cross-training. I've successfully led teams of up to 25 people to completion, through change management projects to re-structure entire businesses - start-to-finish, end-to-end. I'm unhireable due to severe bipolar depression, and a three year "gap" in my resume. (Yes, these are related). Of course, the depression would be manageable, if I had insurance, but I'd need a job for that, and it's hard to get and keep a job with un-managed bipolar depression. So really, "skills" aren't the whole deal, are they?

Musicmystery -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:20:36 PM)
Have it your way. The situation is hopeless, with absolutely no chance of ever solving it. No chances of self-employment either, I'm certain. Completely lost cause. Enjoy.

MzMia -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then those aren't marketable skills, are they? So what happens to them? You do have a number of great skills. Don't give up, keep trying, you will make it. Are you applying for jobs outside of your immediate area? You might have to be willing to relocate. Good luck to you!

HatesParisHilton -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:26:49 PM)
and this is why I was asked to clarify RE Borderlines... right. Ialdabaoth, you are hirable even with your condition , for creative work, but it's likely a matter of you not wanting to take any wage offered and the fact that wage (as per MOST creative gigs these days) will be on a freelance (meaning you're fired at will on an at-will contract the moment you fuck up, as per almost every comic book or indie animation gig since around '88). You'reless likely to be a danger than a Bord, btw.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:32:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Have it your way. The situation is hopeless, with absolutely no chance of ever solving it. No chances of self-employment either, I'm certain. Completely lost cause. Enjoy. Heh. It's always been a wry amusement to see how people react to depression. Any time I try to make a valid point, it's "Oh, you're just depressed! That's just the depression talking!" Any time I give up, it's "Get off your ass! You aren't sick, you're just lazy! Fine then, you DESERVE to fail!" ... I can deal with people talking out both sides of their mouth, I just really wish I knew which side was full of shit.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:47:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then those aren't marketable skills, are they? Imagine--"There's absolutely nothing I can do of any value!" Bullshit. Lemme give you an example, then. I can type 215 words per minute, corrected. I'm fluent in ANSI C, C++, C#, Java, 8086 Assembler, and (shudder) Visual Basic. I'm proficient in HTML, Javascript, and Flash. I'm fluent in SQL and have managed MySQL, Microsoft SQL Server, and PostgreSQL farms. I'm professionally trained in Photoshop (worked with up to CS3) and CorelDRAW, and am a pretty kick-ass artist and photo manipulator. I'm a traind Six Sigma change agent (the old term was "black belt", but that just seems hokey), with full Lean and Supply Chain Management cross-training. I've successfully led teams of up to 25 people to completion, through change management projects to re-structure entire businesses - start-to-finish, end-to-end. I'm unhireable due to severe bipolar depression, and a three year "gap" in my resume. (Yes, these are related). Of course, the depression would be manageable, if I had insurance, but I'd need a job for that, and it's hard to get and keep a job with un-managed bipolar depression. So really, "skills" aren't the whole deal, are they? I have 1/10 those qualifications no formal certification or degrees, started building sites 10 months ago on top of my other stuff, for a whopping initial cost of like 10 dollars a month, and am making over 3000.00 a month now on it with server costs of a 100 / month. True it's not a 100K or 500K, but it's growing every month. Why am I pointing all that stuff out? I'm pointing out how unqualified I am and I've met with good success for the time because if you have those qualifications and are proficient it begs the following question. Why don't you just build sites yourself instead of having to work for people, if in the last ten months I already knew what I had to learn, and your qualifications suggest you already know, I would probably be making more? You know websites about depression and mental disorders attract high paying advertisers. There you go, free advice, I'm not joking either, if I knew enough about mental illness, I'd be all over it. However, one has to build a few sites typically before one takes, so don't expect your first to work.

Kirata -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth It's always been a wry amusement to see how people react to depression. I presume you realize that what you are doing is the functional equivalent of talking to grocery clerks about C# programming and deriving "wry amusement" from their reactions. K.

Ialdabaoth -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 9:54:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Why don't you just build sites yourself instead of having to work for people, if in the last ten months I already knew what I had to learn, and your qualifications suggest you already know, I would probably be making more? You know websites about depression and mental disorders attract high paying advertisers. There you go, free advice, I'm not joking either, if I knew enough about mental illness, I'd be all over it. However, one has to build a few sites typically before one takes, so don't expect your first to work. Seriously? I can't keep myself motivated to do anything productive for more than 5 minutes out of a given day. That's pretty much the long and short of it. I can barely be bothered to feed myself, let alone work on computers. Now, I can waste hours and hours - but actually "doing shit"? HA!

Musicmystery -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 10:04:12 PM)
quote: a wry amusement to see how people react to depression Hardly. Just no point in playing the "shoot down every possibility" game. Depression is treatable. Funding exists for treatment. But you'll have a reason why everything is a dead-end. I'm not amused at all. Just know when I'm wasting time.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Is a Depression coming in 2010. a real possibility? (10/5/2009 10:04:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Why don't you just build sites yourself instead of having to work for people, if in the last ten months I already knew what I had to learn, and your qualifications suggest you already know, I would probably be making more? You know websites about depression and mental disorders attract high paying advertisers. There you go, free advice, I'm not joking either, if I knew enough about mental illness, I'd be all over it. However, one has to build a few sites typically before one takes, so don't expect your first to work. Seriously? I can't keep myself motivated to do anything productive for more than 5 minutes out of a given day. That's pretty much the long and short of it. I can barely be bothered to feed myself, let alone work on computers. Now, I can waste hours and hours - but actually "doing shit"? HA! Well, that's your own choice.

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