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I'm glad we have you to tell us what everyone's perception is.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

If the US never previously sent a "head of State" how could it have happened before? Would that indicate an intelligence on the part of prior administrations not to involve themselves with local politics, or would you say it pointed to something else? Regarding my reply, I didn't know you were asking a rhetorical question - sorry.

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Everyone in all those videos and archived blog posts celebrating was "right wing"? Sets up a vocal, if not large, group of disenfranchised voters for the next election. I'm surprised that in such a short time so many people feel alienated by this Administration and now consider themselves "right wing" in their dissension, but I'll accept your representation speaking for them. I doubt they were directing their celebration toward the disenfranchised of Chicago, but again - based on what you have documented concerning your company, I understand why that is how you took their reaction.

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Has one group ever celebrated over the failure of the polarized opposite group? That's a rhetorical question too right? If not, a similar celebration and consequence will occur again tomorrow. Whoever wins the Twins / Tigers game will be celebrating. Whether they consider it at the time or not, the loser's workers and support staff at the losing stadium won't get any additional jobs, income, or benefit because their team lost; different sport, different scale, same celebration and sadness. Was getting the Olympics life or death for Chicago? Like any lost sales pitch, it is sad, but in context of the general US economy, not the saddest thing occurring.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Anyone who is a partisan is to be demonized... because now that Bush is history no one can ever breathe a word against a president ever again, for any reason (until next time a Republican holds that office).

Yeah... the office must be respected now.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Anyone who is a partisan is to be demonized... because now that Bush is history no one can ever breathe a word against a president ever again, for any reason (until next time a Republican holds that office).

Yeah... the office must be respected now.

Critics of Reagan and Bush 43 were told to have respect for the office.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Just giving the President his proper title, instead of "fucktard" or, "monkeyboy" goes a long way towards restoring civility.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

But what if the proper title for the president in question is fucktard and/or monkeyboy?

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

and when he repeats the class, he'll be able to spell "potato" properly infront of children.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Let me tell you how it looks from where I sit on one of the worst days I've had in a long time.

Whether the Olympics in Chicago would have made money or not is irrelevant, money would have been spent now. Jobs would have been saved and created now.

Anyone cheering that those jobs weren't saved or created has some explaining to do.

My company has been struggling along for some time. We hadn't laid anyone off but we weren't filling jobs if someone left. We had several preliminary deals for computer work with the Chicago Olympic Committee. We weren't going to get rich and these were deals where we competed hard for the deals and our profit margins would have been very tight but they would have been work for at least the next 2 years. Now we don't have them so I spent the morning laying off the 6 people on my team while the other 2 team leaders did the same to their teams. So 15 people lost their jobs today because of something right wingers celebrated on Friday.

I had never fired or laid anyone off except for cause before today.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I don't think it makes the 'top 10' of sad things for those currently working for Saturn living in the soon to be ghost town, Spring Hill Tennessee. I bet they are wondering if perhaps the time spent to sell Chicago to the Olympic committee could have been better spend talking to potential Saturn merger partners. After all, as a result of the last bail out, Obama is the de-facto CEO of GM. Maybe the time could have been spent 'selling' Saturn to the Penske group who was looking into acquiring them.

When pictures of them are shown and they speak about wondering what happened to the auto bail out and the Administration's 'plan' for GM - will they be considered part of the "GOP rooting against America" too?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Sort of like the perception the republicans had that the Democratic party would rather see the country get worse than allow Bush a victory? Gee...some conservatives will argue that the perception is unfounded and paranoid...just like it was argued that conservatives were paranoid and their beliefs were unfounded as we listened to the praises sung of Michael Moore's cinematic brilliance and Al Gore's ever-so-truthful mock...errrrrrrrrr, documentary about Global Warming....and Dan Rather came out with "the facts" about Bush's time in the military.

Congratulations, CD! You are the winner of the "whine about how Bush was treated" competition for this thread! You win a copy of the new DVD "We don't have to do it right because they did it wrong!" Thanks for playing./quote]And thanks for finally dropping your pretensions at being the "even-handed" one on these threads.  Your belief that the left does no wrong, until goaded by the right or, when not being goaded, somehow the wrong is not as bad as the right's, shines through brightly even through your attempts at subtle camouflage.

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As for your core theory...I don't much remember much cheering about the boys who died in Iraq because we were in a purposeless war that was being waged with incredible stupidity. When the economic policies Bush championed aided in the meltdown of our economy, I don't remember the applause as we watched wall street fall. In fact, I don't recall a single spontanious outpouring of approval when anything bad happened to our country. We were all rather upset about it.

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But hey....stick with the victim schtick. It looks good on you.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Needing to spin the answer doesn't change it. The answer was off the top of my head, and the reference was what I remember seeing first hand. You assigned "pride" in what I remember; I found it reprehensible. Just like now, in fact more so considering many were drafted into service, the service men and woman deserved better from everyone - even those celebrating their President's failure. How warped and politically motivated must you be to assign your bigoted, party based, prejudices to everyone else?

If you'll go back to my original posting on this matter, Merc, I did not say that the republicans are doing this. I also did not say they weren't. I am saying there is a perception that this is what they are doing and it isn't just the democrats who think so. This is one of those things that the right wing on has tried to ignore as much as they have ignored the fact that, while Obama's approval is going down, their's is not going up. There are many reasons for this. One of them is this very perception and denying that perception exists or is only a construct of "loonie lefties" isn't going to help anything.

The one area I will agree with you upon is that our returning servicemen from Viet Nam deserved better from everyone in this country. They deserved better than the angry demonstrations that greeted them. They deserved better than the lack of care and rehabilitaiton they earned from the government they served. They deserved to be treated as honerable men who's leaders put them into a dishonerable situation. What was done to them was a shame. That we seem to have learned better for our current warriors in Iraq and Afghanistan is a source of pride.

Oh..and Merc..as for your "warped, bigoted and predjudiced" comment...I can remember when you could discuss something without stooping to personal attacks. I may have disagreed wtih you on just about everything, but I respected that in you. I am sorry you have decided to abandon those principals to start personal insults when none have been offered to you.

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Who is claiming they never had gone before. I know for a fact it was done for LA and Atlanta

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You don't honestly think I'm so goddamned stupid as to believe you think your example is valid do you?

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No matter what happens in this country it has become the "six degrees of separation from Obama". Anything can be connected to him eventually and laid at his feet.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

I cant help but wonder, after reading this thread, and knowing what the OP posted went world wide, what other countries must think of us right now.

Right or wrong, we are a country that is greatly divided. Even the appearance that we are eager for the failures of the man who was voted in must give them lots to laugh about.

I didnt vote Bush in initially. Re-election time came around, and i did then. i didnt like my options, but he seemed like the best man to fit the position with the war.

To applaud a loss by the US to other countries... man... imagine how the other countries must be viewing all this.

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Has there ever been a case where a significant number of americans celebrated the failure of such a endeavor before?

Has there been a case where an American President put himself, or the nation, in a position for this to occur?

Not on the level of the Olympics for sure, but would Vietnam retreat be representative? I'm old enough to remember people "celebrating" that failure; complete with video of soldiers coming back to signs labeling them "baby killers".

Who said anything about the President? Every head of state who was in teh final four spoke this year just as they have every time this has come up during my lifetime, at least.

The right wing celebrated, and yes they celebrated I have the video and the archived blogs posts that prove it, that the city of Chicago didn't get the Olympics and all the economic stimulu sthat comes from such. I'm asking has that ever happened before?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Anyone who is a partisan is to be demonized... because now that Bush is history no one can ever breathe a word against a president ever again, for any reason (until next time a Republican holds that office).

Yeah... the office must be respected now.

Critics of Reagan and Bush 43 were told to have respect for the office.

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People were...you're right about that...but they certainly had no problem cheering for Bush's failures.  And the left had no scarcity of critics cheering for Bush's failures.  I've yet to see people...me, Merc, anyone else on the conservative side cheering on our neighbor's job loss.  I have heard us state that it is a result of Obama's misguided policies and yes, just like the left with Bush, there are critics on the right who cheer for Obama's failures.  If you don't remember those such as Bill Maher or any of the PMSNBC crew cheering, then you must not have been paying attention.

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No matter what happens in this country it has become the "six degrees of separation from Obama". Anything can be connected to him eventually and laid at his feet.

Is thee someone else in charge? Is there another person who decided to Nationalize the failing auto manufacturers?

Wow, closing Saturn won't result in any job losses or affect Spring Hill? If only Obama would manage the government so effectively and close similar duplicity in Washington without it impacting any business or anyone. The damn right wing media must not be showing any of the towns celebrations. concerning the GM announcement.

There is no separation at all. These are Obama's decisions, similar to his decision to go an shill for his Chicago cronies.