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tazzygirl -> RE: The crazies are coming out of the and they have radio to support them (10/12/2009 4:52:11 AM)
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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
LOL
Two huge differences.
One.. its Master Orion, who has my upmost respect.
and Two... Its Master Orion, who, in my opinion, has earned the respect on these boards.
Besides, conservatism smells pretty good on a man. [;)]
Since your post is aimed at me, i will respond.
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Don't really care if you respect me or not. This is supposed to be a forum for open discussion, but I rarely post because it ALWAYS degrades to name calling and finger pointing.
I stick by my original post - the one BEFORE everyone felt free to jump in and criticize. I don't happen to be democrat or republican right now. It does bother me, however, that Bush took crap on a regular basis while he was in office and Obama is treated like he can do no wrong. Bush wasn't perfect either, but he was called on it at every turn. Obama can't make a speech without his writers and teleprompters, but Bush is made fun of because he wasn't a great speaker. More than just a little hypocritical. Obama is given all the great coverage he wants, which is what attracted me to this subject to begin with.
Its a political board. We pull apat each others posts, find the inaccuracies and rip them to shreds. Its done on eveery political board i belong too. If you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, baby.
and, yes, god like Bush was poorly mistreated... how dare Obama come along and outshine him! Bad Obama... bad Obama!
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The healthcare program IS being pushed as free. I didn't make that up and if you go to another topic on this same site, everyone readily agreed that it would be. At least one of you are posting there now. People believe that, even though it should be obvious that you can't just start up a program without getting the money from somewhere. There are a lot of other alternatives short of scrapping the programs we have now, but that wouldn't pull us completely into socialism which is one of Obama's agendas.
No, I don't have a bunch of links, but that doesn't mean I pulled the information out of thin air. I read newspapers and books. I watch the news - not just one channel but three or four. I talk to people and I LISTEN. I could probably pull some links from somewhere, but then you have to decide how reliable the source is. Is it some rag or is it a legitimate article? I've seen plenty of you post links that went to some slanted source that I didn't believe anyway. Didn't give you any credibility.
As many here will tell you, one news channel feeds from another. They all cite the same souce until a different cource finds a sensational new twist. Again, you ar believing what you ar told by someone else, instead of doing the research yourself. Now, i ask... what thread are the talking about "free" healthcare, because i looked, and i dont see it, and i would really love to jump into the middle and clear up that misconception as i did about death panels and what was REALLY in Obama's health care plan... the original 1000 page one.
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Even if Bush started some of the bailouts, why didn't Obama stop them when he got into office? He had the chance, but he didn't. He piled even more money on top of what was already thrown out there- a trillion dollars! In my house, if we don't have the money, we stop spending. A simple concept really, but one that Washington can't seem to grasp.
You make that sound so simple. Once a President starts something.. especially with the backing of the Fed Reseerve, its NOT that easy to come in and call a stop. Being in the military, i would think you would know that already.
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Do I seriously care that Obama takes his family on Air Force One? You bet I do. It really has less to do with the cost than it does the image we're presenting. NEVER do you EVER see any world leaders 'taking the kids along' when they're on a diplomatic mission. It's like Obama is some big kid enjoying all the new toys he has to play with. When you're dealing with other countries, image is extremely important. That goes double for people in the Mideast.
If He wants to take his family on a trip with him, the image he is showing is one of a family man. Alone or his whole family... doesnt matter... the cost is the same. And, guess what? I thought date night... which they paid for out of their own pocket.. was a great idea!
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I spoke in great detail with the woman who was flown out to Washinton for all the parties. It didn't cost her a cent. In fact, she was downright smug about the fact that it was all on the taxpayer's dime. It certainly didn't impress anyone who was within listening distance and I was probably the only one able to stomach listening to her.
And you have never met someone who would brag about such a thing.. and be lieing at the same time. [;)]
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Am I willing to pay more for my insurance so you can get treatment? Yes I am. But you're not happy with that. I'm generous enough to say yes, I will help you as long as I can, but instead you attack me for having good insurance and ponder what would happen if I lost it. How very kind hearted of you. Actually, the government has been on the backs of the insurance companies lately and my coverage isn't as good as it used to be. Hmmm. Wonder who that would help?
Guess insurance lobbyists who are now working their magic to prevent the changes proposed to make those companies not only more accountable but more efficient dont bother you either. Well, they bother the hell out of alot of people. Your a job away from no health insurance... but, with your health problems, your probably on some form of disability so you dont have to worry about that.
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If there was a reasonable plan out there for everyone to get care at a reasonable price, I would be the first one to sign up. My health sucks and I would love to be able to just make an appointment and walk in. That plan isn't out there yet.
But what about the waiting lists in Canada that we dont have here?
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There was a doctor on television (nope, no links) that offered care to all his patients for a monthly fee. It was far less than I currently pay for insurance. He didn't limit how many times his patients came in. Guess who stepped in and told him it was illeagle? First guess doesn't count.
Im gonna guess it was the insurance companies, the AMA and various other political players who stopped that one. How dare he cut into all their pockets!
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I happen to be ex-military, as was my father. I don't support a coup. Now matter how much I dislike the man in office, he was elected President and as such deserves the respect of that same office. I can't promise I would jump in front of a bullet for him, but I'm certainly not going to be behind the gun.
Someone actually wanted me to prove that people are still being kept from the Whitehouse while they protest because you never see it on any of the news channels. Are you serious? Essentially prove that something is NOT happening? There is no link out there for that. And someone else said we have more free speech now. Really? How secure did you feel when the current administration wanted you to forward email addresses of people you knew who "just didn't understand the new healthcare reform" so they could explain it to them? Personally, it made my skin crawl.
And who decided that we attacked the wrong people after 9/11? Has someone here hacked into the Whitehouse computers? Can you show me the big red X that we totally missed? This whole subject matter has been so distorted that I frankly don't believe anyone anymore.
The teabaggers that you all love to make fun of.....the ones that the news keeps sweeping under the carpet? How do I know they're doing this? Because I know people who attend them. They're people who are fed up with no one listening to them so instead of going out and rioting and picketing, they came up with a peaceful alternative. Clever really, but the news doesn't see anything big to report so they simply lie about the numbers and give them little coverage.
The only lies i saw about the numbers was the huge 2million one.
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There was one reasonable suggestion made early on. There needs to be a third party. Something in the middle between the conservative bible thumpers and the far left liberals. As soon as you find it, let me know. I certainly don't like what's out there right now - on either side!
Most here are midline. I dont agree with everything Obama does or has done. I didnt agree with everything Bush did, or Reagan, or Clinton, ect. I can safely say thats the same for the rest who post here, with the exception of one ~waves to Sanity~
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I really am finished. I know that no matter what I say there are plenty of you out there that will tear this to shreds and I don't care anymore. It's just a computer discussion. It doesn't affect my life once I walk away and I'm fine with that.
Mistress Scarlet
I think, perhaps, you need to broaden your listening choices, read more than just a few books written by those with either an ax to grind or a few bucks to make, and really take an active stance in politics. You would be amazed at how eye opening an experience it can be.. once you get beyond Rush.
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