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RE: Computer Questions - 3/7/2006 6:15:35 PM   
Aileen68


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Yup...windows is legit.
I'm running the defender beta right now too.

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/7/2006 6:39:25 PM   
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I also heartily recommend AVG. For Canadians, please, PLEASE stay away from Freedom, I worked at Sympatico and they gave it to us for free, but I still wouldn't install that crap on my computer.
It is a lousey design that requires you to be online to work, and even more annoying, it doesn't actually remove anything, just detects it and directs you to the web site for tools/instructions....and if you decide to call tech support for help....they won't help you with removal....thanks for paying, see a tech & enjoy your product.
As far as a firewall, I use Zonelab, and agree with SK, it is an annoying product to use, but it works. Sygate used to have a good free firewall, but Symantec now owns that...so you know what that means ($$$$$)

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/8/2006 3:37:39 AM   
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I guess the question is how much do folks want to pay for piece of mind. Zone Alarm is fine as far as software based firewalls go, but it's not that expensive to buy yourself a hardware router like those by Linksys and get that extra piece of software off your system. You never have to worry about the hardware locking up your computer and crashing.

I started with Zone Alarm myself but had too many problems with it, then I migrated to Tiny Personal Firewall which was better (but not a good product for casual users, and I don't believe it's free for personal use anymore). I even tried my hand at building a Linux system that acted as a router and firewall, which worked pretty well for a while. Now I have a Linksys router that handles all that, but I got a really good deal on the price (free from work *grin*). If I had to start from scratch, I'd go ahead and buy the same setup I have now.

99% of your headaches these days come from spyware, so all those suggestions about installing and scanning for spyware are good ones. Spybot works well, Ad Aware works well, and even Microsoft Defender does a good job of blocking spyware (but note: Defender will not completely remove found spyware as the others will, Microsoft is too worried about lawsuits from companies saying their legitimate products are being targeted).

The rest of what you can do is simply good habit for online use. I try to tell people to use the following guidelines:

1. If you get a message from ANYONE, even a friend, with a link to a site or a file attached that you did not expect, do not open it. If it was a friend, email them back and verify that they sent it. When you email, make sure to ask them a specific question only they can answer (some new virus programs can actually capture your attempt to email your friend and reply back to you with a "yes I meant to send that", so if your friend is already infected you still won't realize it until it's too late).

2. Never trust web sites you haven't been to before. All web sites are suspect until they have proven themselves trustworthy. If you're browsing new sites, turn on Spybot's built in automated defenders, like the Tea Timer, that will capture attempts to install programs or change your internet explorer settings. I personally don't like to run it all the time since it brings up annoying messages about what its doing periodically (and if you are already infected, those could be quite frequent), just when I'm off in a part of the web I'm not familiar with.

3. Run a real firewall, do not trust Microsoft's built-in firewall.

4. Run an up-to-date antivirus program that automatically updates its virus definitions.

5. If you notice any problems with your system or any strange pop-up internet windows, run a spyware sweeper program like Spybot or AdAware (running multiple ones is even better). There is really no need at all to do this every single day unless you have a significant infection already and it won't go away. If it won't go away, you're S.O.L., best thing to do is back up your important files and rebuild the system from scratch.

6. Most of all, if you KEEP FINDING SPYWARE... then look at WHERE you are visiting and try to figure out which sites are installing it. Most likely you've got one or two sites you visit frequently that are doing this to you and you don't even realize it. Try switching to Mozilla Firefox or Netscape to reduce your rate of spyware infections, both have massively lower accessibility issues then IE does and most spyware simply won't work on them (the joys and triumphs of ActiveX at work). Yes, that makes viewing some websites difficult, but that's a problem with web programmers not sticking to listed coding standards, so blame it on them, not Mozilla. *grin*

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/8/2006 7:11:22 AM   
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I agree with Tantalus about the router (My software firewall was originally intended solely to identify suspicious outgoing programs), however mine got damaged somehow in my last move, (the Link appears continuously active, even when there is nothing plugged into it), and I have not gotten around to replacing it yet (lazy & cheap)

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/8/2006 3:37:16 PM   
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What do you call a real firewall? Because to be honest with you, with the exception of Myself I highly doubt that anyone on this thread is using a real firewall.

Microsofts firewall is designed to block incoming communications, and it is deadly effective in it's duties. It is a case of knowing what you are using, and knowing what you are using it for.

Mozilla Firefox or Opera will not help you if you are the one installing the adware from the likes of bearshare, shared emails, suspicious links, malicious javascript or any of a wide number of spyware/malicious software problems. I have personally tripped across a zillion different kinds of these pests being in business (although I have very tight security and nothing penetrates My computer AND, and that is a HUGE AND, I run Internet Explorer no problem. ZERO infections. I guess you just have to know what you are doing).

Mozilla will only stop Active X from installing on your machine, because basically Firefox and Opera are crippled web browsers. However, they do not stop Javascript. In case you haven't noticed, websites are not using Active X attacks anymore for the most part, because the onslaught of Service Pack 2 eradicated their effectiveness (you will note that the meager 8% marketshare had nothing to do with the slowing down of activex exploits). Now they use .WMA virii and .JS java scripts to infiltrate your browser and infect your computer... Soooo, needless to say the age old Firefox/Opera point is mute unless you want to knowingly miss half of the interactive and multimedia content on the internet and you knowingly want webpages to not display correctly.

For the Antispyware programs, the best ones are in this order:

Ewido
Spybot
Defender Beta
Adaware SE
Hijack This
CWShredder


The last two are very handy, just specialized. Hijack this can be tricky to effectively remove everything and you can easily remove that which you do not.

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/8/2006 11:42:40 PM   
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Thats right, were all computer n00bs here..

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RE: Computer Questions - 3/9/2006 9:26:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

Thats right, were all computer n00bs here..


It is not that... Define your position is all I am asking. A real firewall is an appliance, for example.

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