undergroundsea
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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
In my experience, MRAs are fully deserving of all the contempt and disdain they receive
I do not know enough about MRAs to say whether your statement is right or wrong but I am curious what about them makes you think they deserve contempt and disdain?
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I responded to the question: "Should he have a legal right to be informed?", not "Is there a need for him to be informed?".
You're objecting to this with the idea that a potential father needs to be informed... I can see why someone would argue that in an ideal world, men should be informed of their reproductive exploits. But we don't live in an ideal world.
In an ideal world, we would not need laws to enforce payment of child support. But we do not live in an ideal world and, thus, we have laws to curb behavior that occurs because we do not live in an ideal world.
You suggest that you don't contest that informing a potential father is needed, but instead you contest whether it should be a legal right. Would you clarify why you think one can say informing as described is needed?
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The right? Not as far as I know: the right resides with the living person that hosts the product of the lovemaking.
This host is always a woman.
The right for what? The right to know?
You suggest that the father has no place to be involved. Do you hold a similar view with respect to child support?
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
No, he should piss off. He isn't wanted. And men who aren't wanted should piss off.
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If she left him, she probably left him for a reason. And I don't expect him to pay child support if he isn't notified that he has a child. The question here is whether he has a RIGHT to be notified if the woman he accidentally impregated wants nothing to do with him--including his money--and whether his accidental sperm donations entitle him to control another person's life, if that person is given up for adoption to a loving home.
It seems you are saying that if person A and person B have sex which leads to pregnancy and person A, after the event, decides that person B is no longer interesting, then person A should be able to walk away because it is likely it is person B's fault that person A feels this way. Yes? If so, I hope you see why that statement is problematic.
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I have no respect and no sentimentality about accidental sperm donations of ANY kind, under ANY circumstances. The only safe sex to have is 1) none or 2) sex with a woman you want to have babies with, who wants to have babies with you, and who can be trusted to have babies.
Every other circumstance under which a man chooses to have sex is a risk. The risk can lead to consequences he may not like. Tough. Biology is a bitch.
If you choose to have sex only with persons with whom you want to have babies, fair enough. However, there are many people, women and men, who have sex because they like it. It seems you say that only the man should take care to have sex with someone with whom he is willing to have a baby, and do not apply the same standard to the woman. The choice to have sex, and the responsibility that then goes with it lies with two people. Do you see the responsibility to lie with both people making the choice, or just one?
When you say biology is a bitch, to what exactly do you refer?
Cheers,
Sea
< Message edited by undergroundsea -- 10/29/2009 8:22:01 PM >
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