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MHOO314 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:25:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic Since my quoting abilities suck at best, i am going to respond to one sentence in a prior post. If at anytime i berated Aanyone while stating my opinion, Yyou have my sincerest apologizies. If Yyou wish for an individual apology, please let me know it will be forwarded to Yyou immediately. Hugs What we have seen here is an emotional reaction to a post---reactions that are made everyday--no one reaction is right or wrong--they are how we are wired--THAT is what makes us human---otherwise we'd sniff and move on-- angelic has deep feelings and expressed those---as is her right whether we agree or not it is her right--she feels it is abusive so I am going to imagine that is a hard limit for her-- MofG, merely said with in the confines of consent--it is not abuse ---- TO THE PARTIES CONSENTING--it matters not what the outsider looking in thinks-- --oh and Sophia dear--c** cannot consent because by law they do not have the mental understanding to consent--so back off that soapox--that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here--by the way where is your profile so we get to know you while you are "walking around?" What we have forgotten is what knees2you asked--"What gives the Dominant the right?" IMHEO, any one has the right to ask for anything here, with in the TOS--that does not mean anyone has to respond, it does not mean we have to like it ( hence the thread on breeding slaves)---but our life is what it is because of intolerance--"out there"-- Now as for the OP--IMHO it does indeed smack of fantasy, but what if the wording read "puppy needed"--and referred to being caged and eating out of dog bowls--not My thing but hey--TEHO. As for no human interaction there are people out there that do not like human contact--its called being a recluse--(Howard Hughes was one of the most famous)--- But what knees2you commented on was the slave contract** and the potential abuses of that in a relationship. I am not one for contracts in relationships, I have not seen them work well, and many times blow up ending in some pretty nasty issues--BUT if two parties consent---then who are we to say--yeah or nah? And if one gives up their right to give up rights freely--I'm kind of like you snooze, you lose--what the hell are you thinking, but its not My place to cast aspersions.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:28:00 AM)
I also want to point something out for those that don't know. There was a guy on this board by the name of veronicaML. This relationship was exactly the kind of relationship he sought, from being called a pig on down to the (physical) isolation and he loved it. He reveled in it. It was all he wanted, what he found and he was one of many that I have seen. All you can say is to each there own, people. Nothing makes you any better, or them any less. As long as someone out there wants this, there will be someone out there that will consent to it. Whether you understand them (or think you understand them) or not.

MHOO314 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:30:58 AM)
Well said! and veronica was happy!

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 angelic, for the record I disagree with your posts about the profile and it being abusive. Enough said. But I do want to say that I think you have way too much emotional baggage to have a healthy relationship. I think you need to step back from the lifestyle and seek counseling for what you went through. Your quickness to call abuse to anything that is not what you seek tells me that you will not find happiness until you do. Just my thoughts. Mr Discipline, I too agree with MofGA... I have say... you're as much off base as you think Angelic seems to be in your eyes.. She sees abuse...... you see someone with too much emotional baggage and needs to seek counseling. To me, you are no more able to say she needs counseling... than she seeing abuse. I know this isn't going to make sense, but think about it a minute. See reads a profile... and thinks abuse is written in it, just being covered up by BDSM lifestyle. Ok that's her thoughts. Others may agree.. others will not agree. You see ... AS YOUR READ.... she's carrying emotional baggage and needs to seek counseling. Now I do not know if you are qualified shrink or not. But why is it... because of what she reads?... she needs counseling?..... and what you read... makes her think she needs counseling? Lord I am confusing myself... But either way.. I think you're judging Angelic... just as you see her judging the profiler or anyone answer such profile. (ok I need another cup of coffee... LOL)

shiava -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:37:46 AM)
quote: Abuse is a word thrown around way too much for being a lifestyle of accepting ourselves and others for who they are. In my years learning and growing within this lifestyle i have probably heard this word a million and one times. i have a friend who 'craves' the type of humiliation most would call abusive. Though yes, i believe it is my place to give advice to someone newer in the lifestyle, i only give it if the person asks for it. Personally, i enjoy getting my face slapped HARD... i hope the Man that slaps it for me is not considered abusive. Maybe one of the hardest things to do is to NOT judge another... i hope at some point it is a lesson each of us learn. IMO, the 'title' for lack of another word of slave and submissive are only given a definition by the people involved within the relationship. i do not feel i am a slave, but i know i served a Man in a TPE, so to others i am sometimes called a slave. Try to remember... To Each their own. Ones kink is anothers abuse and in the vanilla world......... a good OTK would be considered ABUSE!! For now, shi

Arpig -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:43:05 AM)
MoGA is 100% correct as far as the issue of abuse goes. And as far as the emotional baggage goes, i think Angelic's first post pretty much states that there is some baggage involved, and I think that MrD's comment was based on reading Angelic's posts in this and other threads, and I also did not think it was meant at all to be hurtful

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:43:13 AM)
MHOO and true thank you!! LORDY when did this thread become about me?? [&:] btw i missed the post where MrDiscipline said i needed counseling (thanks true) ;) MrDiscipline... You disagreed with me... that's just fine... You think i have too much emotional baggage for You... that's just fine too... btw this isn't a 'lifestyle' i can simply back away from... it is A WAY OF LIFE wow honestly had i thought by posting MY OPINION on this thread would have turned into a bashing angelic thread... BELIEVE me i would have just kept my mouth shut!

MHOO314 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:50:20 AM)
When we start holding back we stop growing.

RiotGirl -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:51:03 AM)
maybe it is abuse.. maybe it isnt.. Anyone heard the old song that Marylin Manson remixed? Sweet dreams are made of these Who am i to disagree? Travelled the world And the seven seas Everybody's looking for something Some of them want to use you Some of them wanna get used by you Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused i think that says everything we need to hear = )

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:53:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig MoGA is 100% correct as far as the issue of abuse goes. And as far as the emotional baggage goes, i think Angelic's first post pretty much states that there is some baggage involved, and I think that MrD's comment was based on reading Angelic's posts in this and other threads, and I also did not think it was meant at all to be hurtful I didn't say he said it to hurtful..... In some way shape or form... we all have (ugh I hate this word) baggage. I swear.. I'll be glad when Master gets here and keeps me off this thing before I get a whole pot of coffee in me instead of only 1or 2 cups... apparently that's not enough caffine for my brain to think straight.. LOL Edite to add: RIOT!!!!!!!!!!! nice to see you again... isn't that the Eyurthmics? (damn my spelling sucks too)

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:53:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 When we start holding back we stop growing. yes Ma'am... i never did learn to stfu [:)]

ownedgirlie -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 7:56:51 AM)
Angelic, i am sorry you felt bashed by everyone; that is unfortunate. i have felt that way before and it made me not want to post for awhile, but i think we are just a group of people who are passionate about who we are and what we do. you had a reaction to a post because of pains you are still healing from. i think (hopefully) collectively we understand that. We become as passionate in our disagreement as you (or anyone else who posts something contrary to what we think) are in expressing your sentiments. Please keep posting - you raise interesting questions which obviously elicit emotional reactions from everyone. That is a GOOD thing!! MHOO, your description above of what took place here was wonderfully stated. Thank you for putting it out there so clearly. Sending warm hugs to you both.

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:00:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Angelic, i am sorry you felt bashed by everyone; that is unfortunate. i have felt that way before and it made me not want to post for awhile, but i think we are just a group of people who are passionate about who we are and what we do. you had a reaction to a post because of pains you are still healing from. i think (hopefully) collectively we understand that. We become as passionate in our disagreement as you (or anyone else who posts something contrary to what we think) are in expressing your sentiments. Please keep posting - you raise interesting questions which obviously elicit emotional reactions from everyone. That is a GOOD thing!! MHOO, your description above of what took place here was wonderfully stated. Thank you for putting it out there so clearly. Sending warm hugs to you both. thanks owned... i have zero intention of not posting. (i dont' scare that easily) besides damnit you now have a paddle!!!!! [;)]

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:04:12 AM)
LOL angelic.. you'll catch up with us yet... Glad to see we think alike on a lot of things. Hell if i scared easily.. I would of been off forum back in Nov when I started... (and I love knowing some wish I would of too... lmao) So knowing that some agree... and some don't.. makes this very interresting. But it's always nice to get different view on things. If everyone totally agreed.. yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:04:26 AM)
Well, what can I say true? You're wrong. Judging her would be condeming her for what she said. Judging her would be to say that her post would be either right or wrong. I'm not doing that. I'm simply stating that I disagree with her post and she needs counseling for what she's been through. How can I say that she needs counseling? She has an over emotional, negative response to a situation that does not pertain to her based on her past relationship. If you've been in or around the military much, this reaction is similar to whats called a "flash back" and you see it in combat vets that have not and/or don't know how to cope with the trauma of what happened to them. Not all flash backs or bad. Some only paralyze the person until the precieved trigger is no longer precieved. As far as military personel go, they are removed from duty until given the all clear from mental health personel. As an NCO in the military, I had to make sure that my squad was physically and mentally fit for duty. Being a Dominant is much the same way. As a Dominant (NCO), I must make sure that my submissive(s) (squad) is physically and mentally fit for a D/s Relationship (duty). No, angelic is not my submissive, so thats why I suggest she seek couseling and not tell her to seek couseling. And it's her over emotional, negative response gives me enough reason to tell her that she should seek couseling. And for the record, I'm not bashing you angelic. Merely suggesting something that may help you and your future relationships. If I was bashing you, you would know it by the not-so-nice way I would've put things. I'm sure there are many examples that others can and will bring up of me truely wanting to bash someone. Quit being the victim.

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:12:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Well, what can I say true? You're wrong. Judging her would be condeming her for what she said. Judging her would be to say that her post would be either right or wrong. I'm not doing that. I'm simply stating that I disagree with her post and she needs counseling for what she's been through. How can I say that she needs counseling? She has an over emotional, negative response to a situation that does not pertain to her based on her past relationship. If you've been in or around the military much, this reaction is similar to whats called a "flash back" and you see it in combat vets that have not and/or don't know how to cope with the trauma of what happened to them. Not all flash backs or bad. Some only paralyze the person until the precieved trigger is no longer precieved. As far as military personel go, they are removed from duty until given the all clear from mental health personel. As an NCO in the military, I had to make sure that my squad was physically and mentally fit for duty. Being a Dominant is much the same way. As a Dominant (NCO), I must make sure that my submissive(s) (squad) is physically and mentally fit for a D/s Relationship (duty). No, angelic is not my submissive, so thats why I suggest she seek couseling and not tell her to seek couseling. And it's her over emotional, negative response gives me enough reason to tell her that she should seek couseling. And for the record, I'm not bashing you angelic. Merely suggesting something that may help you and your future relationships. If I was bashing you, you would know it by the not-so-nice way I would've put things. I'm sure there are many examples that others can and will bring up of me truely wanting to bash someone. Quit being the victim. You know Mr Discipline..... if more responded like you do.. there would be less misunderstandings. I told you in my post... I didn't understand. And now you have politely and clearly explained things. For this I thank you. For yes, I have grown up around the Military all my life and have seen what you are refering to. I guess sometimes, in getting some people to understand things, being able to explain on levels others are acustom to helps. I know it can't always be that way. I just lucked out and got you to explain more of what you were saying.. where you were going.. on a level I could understand more of (Military). As you said.. I was wrong. And I accept that.. and hope you will accept my apology on the matter. Guess I was right when I said I needed more coffee.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:16:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic thanks owned... i have zero intention of not posting. (i dont' scare that easily) besides damnit you now have a paddle!!!!! [;)] LMAO...and i'm not afraid to use it, missy......MWAAH hahahahahahaha.... okay, if i'm any more late for work i am going to feel something that resembles a paddle myself....

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:17:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Well, what can I say true? You're wrong. Judging her would be condeming her for what she said. Judging her would be to say that her post would be either right or wrong. I'm not doing that. I'm simply stating that I disagree with her post and she needs counseling for what she's been through. How can I say that she needs counseling? She has an over emotional, negative response to a situation that does not pertain to her based on her past relationship. If you've been in or around the military much, this reaction is similar to whats called a "flash back" and you see it in combat vets that have not and/or don't know how to cope with the trauma of what happened to them. Not all flash backs or bad. Some only paralyze the person until the precieved trigger is no longer precieved. As far as military personel go, they are removed from duty until given the all clear from mental health personel. As an NCO in the military, I had to make sure that my squad was physically and mentally fit for duty. Being a Dominant is much the same way. As a Dominant (NCO), I must make sure that my submissive(s) (squad) is physically and mentally fit for a D/s Relationship (duty). No, angelic is not my submissive, so thats why I suggest she seek couseling and not tell her to seek couseling. And it's her over emotional, negative response gives me enough reason to tell her that she should seek couseling. And for the record, I'm not bashing you angelic. Merely suggesting something that may help you and your future relationships. If I was bashing you, you would know it by the not-so-nice way I would've put things. I'm sure there are many examples that others can and will bring up of me truely wanting to bash someone. Quit being the victim. First and foremost... You are entitled to Your opinion. Now, back to the thread. my opinion HAS NOT CHANGED. You say i have baggage... what kind of baggage does a person that WANTS what the PROFILER wants carry? These are things i think about... what has a person gone through that brings them to that point in their life where they say 'ok, isolate me' because i am not worthy to be treated better? sigh i KNOW i'm not saying any of this 'right'... nevertheless in this ONE thing i have not changed my mind.

MHOO314 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:19:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 angelic, for the record I disagree with your posts about the profile and it being abusive. Enough said. But I do want to say that I think you have way too much emotional baggage to have a healthy relationship. I think you need to step back from the lifestyle and seek counseling for what you went through. Your quickness to call abuse to anything that is not what you seek tells me that you will not find happiness until you do. Just my thoughts. Now I disagree with you--she expressed an opinion--nothing more, nothing less, as you have done on more than one occasion---as for emotional baggage--why? because she doesn't come from your playing field? I could on occasion say the same about you--or you of Me---but it is opinion-- as for having a healthy realtionship--I don't think that's something any of us are experts in determining--if we were to be judged on our ability to have a healthy relationship, we'd ALL need therapy by virtue of what we "prefer". IMNSHO

Level -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 8:20:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sophia37 Bear with me for a sec while I try and explain. When I walked in off the street to have a look around this site, the first thing I read was the thread on male Chastity belts. lol As far as I'm concerned, thats not exactly the right place to start if you want to get a sense of the cummunity here on these boards. lolol What's wrong with chastity? The second place I went was to the profile listings. Another good place NOT to start now that I look back on it. I too found several postings from men and women that quite fankly disturbed me. Big Time. Sophia, it sounds like you may be at the wrong site. Big Time. I think your life style sounds a lot more fun that what these profile listings are offering. There's just this whole different feel to what you're putting out into the world, compared to what some of the profiles seem to be suggesting. Sometimes I feel its wrong to say, "anything goes". Why defend brutality in its base form? Whats so uplifting about being abused? I disagree with the whole, "who's to say what is and isnt abuse" that you're suggesting. Where does your philosophy get us in the end? You're idea could lead us to then to say, whats so bad about having sex with little girls? Right? How do you know those little girls didnt like it? Maybe they even consented! I could find a zillion other examples if that one doesnt suit you. I don't remember anyone saying "anything goes", seems more of a case of you translating it into that. There ARE things that people do to others that are damaging. It's not a world of, "all in good fun". You're sort of trying to defend your own personal lifestyle. And the topic wasnt even about you to begin with. This is not about two people getting off on paddle play. This is about something far more serious. It would be nice if you had some respect for that. Sincerely Sophia Having said all that, I do not neccessarily like what was stated in the profile in question. I have no problem with the "pig" part, if someone does not like it, they won't answer that ad, simple enough. The isolation, that does make me go "hmm", but I choose to keep in mind that NOT EVERYONE IS JUST LIKE ME. And I can't see into the person's mind/heart that WOULD choose to answer such an ad. They may be deranged, or they may know very well what they're doing and honestly seek that. At the risk of being overly repetitive........let's say you like to be spanked. Many vanillas would be horrified at that, and scream "abuse". If you told them "no, it's ok, i LIKE it", they'd say "poor girl, you obviously don't know what you're saying", or call you a freak. To say, without leaving room for error, that the one who would answer the ad is being abused, is no different than the vanillas just mentioned. Of course, I could be wrong.................................................... "The path to hell is paved with good intentions" "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality" Level

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