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KnightofMists -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:28:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 As stated before by others, if it's consentual, how is it abusive? Abuse is non-consentual. I completely respect your right to have whatever opinion you want [:D] ... but in my opinion, statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue. Perhaps hearing it from a fellow dominant would be helpful to some ... I might suggest KnightofMist's post number 113, read with an open mind.[:D] I've read knight's post and it's very well said. I can agree to a point. But I still say that not you, knight or anyone else has the right to call a relationship abusive if your not part of the relationship and only viewing it from a single perspective. Thank you for respecting my right to my opinion just as I respect you for yours. mmmmmmmmmm interesting... you can state what abuse is not... but one can't say what it is! Interesting double standard! Frankly we not only have a right to dictate what we as individuals consider as abusive or even to lesser extent an unhealthy relationship for ourselves and "others"... but we also have a moral responsiblity to express this opinion!. However, only the individuals in the relationship will be directly affected by the consequences of the relationship and can change the situation as it stands. You take the horse to water... but you can't make him drink! Of course, I like to take the horse to the water when I know they are really thirsty.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:29:14 PM)
Very well said, celeste. Thank you for your input and for helping us to understand yet another side of the coin.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:31:59 PM)
quote: Ma'am quite honestly if i put every single comment made to or about me in quotes i would be here all night... the fact is I DISAGREE WITH THE PROFILE... period... MY OPINION... like it or don't... the profiler is looking to abuse!!! MY OPINION... like it or don't. I just asked because you seemed to be suggesting that I have made mention of your experience. I simply wanted to know what you were talking about. No need to get pissed off about it. I joined in this discussion based on what you wrote about the profile. It sparked an interest in me. I do not have to "like or not like" your opinion. Whether I do or not agree with you is extraneous. However, I would appreciate that if you are going to quote me, then at least point to the posting that I supposedly said these things.

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:39:03 PM)
Ma'am i am not angry... i apologize if what i said made it sound like i was.. i was merely trying to again bring the thread back to the profile that was the originating issue here.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:42:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists mmmmmmmmmm interesting... you can state what abuse is not... but one can't say what it is! Interesting double standard! Frankly we not only have a right to dictate what we as individuals consider as abusive or even to lesser extent an unhealthy relationship for ourselves and "others"... but we also have a moral responsiblity to express this opinion!. However, only the individuals in the relationship will be directly affected by the consequences of the relationship and can change the situation as it stands. You take the horse to water... but you can't make him drink! Of course, I like to take the horse to the water when I know they are really thirsty. Quit frankly knight, I don't see you having any right to dictate to anyone what is and/or is not an abusive relationship to anyone that is not in a relationship with you. What gives you the authority to say it is or is not? No one who isn't in the relationship with you for one. Your moral standing may or may not be anyone else's. Does that mean they're wrong? No, it just means they're different and should be respect as such just as you and I. Being in an alternative lifestyle, I would think that you'd be more open to the differing of an opinion. I'm shocked to see I'm wrong.

mstrofsnfulplsre -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:43:24 PM)
quote: I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it. What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect. And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within? Well said MissTress

angelic -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:44:00 PM)
and Ma'am i looked back.. i didn't quote You regarding my experience.. if i did please show me where i did thank You...

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mstrofsnfulplsre quote: I find this thread incredibly interesting and informative. Why you ask? Because I find hypocrisy to be hilarious. And I really like it when people tell on themselves. Most of the time they don't even know they are doing it. What I hear and read without fail from every person I've talked to in the lifestyle is "I don't care if they accept what I do, as long as they don't judge me". I would hazard a guess that that statement is true for the large majority of us. And I've read posts from most people that have posted in this thread to the same effect. And here we are...look, judgement. Judgment of someone else's kink, judgement of someone else's feelings, judgement of someone's mental state who may or may not exist. Where will we find tolerance outside of our community if we don't have it within? Well said MissTress I agree. Well said indeed.

caitlyn -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists mmmmmmmmmm interesting... you can state what abuse is not... but one can't say what it is! Interesting double standard! Frankly we not only have a right to dictate what we as individuals consider as abusive or even to lesser extent an unhealthy relationship for ourselves and "others"... but we also have a moral responsiblity to express this opinion!. However, only the individuals in the relationship will be directly affected by the consequences of the relationship and can change the situation as it stands. You take the horse to water... but you can't make him drink! Of course, I like to take the horse to the water when I know they are really thirsty. I wish I could express myself on this as well as you do on this. I agree with you about moral responsibility, and can only speak for myself. If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved. If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:51:38 PM)
i actually see both sides of this debate. As stated before, the only thing that concerned me about the profile was the isolation. Some on this thread have done a decent job of assuring that isolation may be okay for some. i think that's one of those areas that should be handled delicately, however. (Btw Michael, Master prefers to refer to Penelope, Porky's girlfriend, rather than Miss Piggy, Kermit's girlfriend...lol). Having said that, many here have said if a person enters into something they should know what they are entering into, so if they get hurt - well, too bad, basically. i don't find that to be a very compassionate approach. Realistic, yes. But not compassionate. i only say that because i limped along in life long enough to have been completely torn down and really would have entered anything just to try to find shelter somewhere. i am fairly convinced that had i experienced one more fall i would have stayed down permamently. Not every submissive in this lifestyle is strong and confident and the epitome of "what should be." When all is said and done, it would be really interesting to simply ask the person in the profile what he/she meant by no contact. Has the OP considered doing that? Surely it could not have been a literal "no contact" if he wanted ths slave to go shopping. We now have 8 pages in this thread of one person expressing an opinion of abuse and a bunch of other people telling her she is wrong, and has baggage, and needs therapy, and isn't quoting correctly. Can we not simply see that someone has experienced abuse in the past and has formed opinions based on it, whether we agree with those opinions or not? Is this not a forum for the exchange of ideas, and instead a forum to try to convince others of our own ideas? Celeste, you did a great job of showing "the other side" of anglic's concerns, without saying a word about angelic. i admire the integrity of your post, and found it to be quite insightful. Thank you for sharing it. Knight of Mists i also found your post to be insightful - showing the dominant's responsibility in such relationships. If nothing else, this has been quite an interesting discussion! Just adding my thoughts to the mix...

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:53:45 PM)
Master!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So nice to see you on the forum.... can't wait to see you walk thru front door... <smiles>

mstrofsnfulplsre -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:56:10 PM)
Yes i as well cant wait. one more week then i can put your sometimes vicious tongue to good use ....................lmao

MistressOfGa -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:56:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do? Level Level, I am assuming you are talking about the submissive/slave? Nothing. I will do nothing. It is none of my business as to what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. I have had a friend come to my house to get away from her abuser (husband), I took her in and tried to protect her. He came into my house and was dragging her out of my frontdoor by her hair and for my troubles I recieved 3 broken ribs, a broken nose and a colapsed lung. I spent two weeks in the hospital. What did this friend do while her abuser/husband was beating the shit out of me and I was fighting back, she was yelling at me to leave her husband alone. My point is, I will be the first to stand up and fight for those who ask me for help, at the cost of my own safety. I am co-founder of a non-profit organization that helps abuse survivors to escape their abusers. We host events to raise money for safe houses, relocation costs and to raise public awareness and education. We hold seminars, which I speak at, for law enforcement agency's, child protective services, mental health professionals and school officials. I am an abuse survivor, and that is what encouraged my sister and I to become so pro-active with regards to this subject. I spent many many years in treatment in order to even live with myself and I am now in a position to give back what I have learned and to share my experiences with those who are still fighting to survive. I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading.

KnightofMists -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 2:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Quit frankly knight, I don't see you having any right to dictate to anyone what is and/or is not an abusive relationship to anyone that is not in a relationship with you. What gives you the authority to say it is or is not? No one who isn't in the relationship with you for one. Your moral standing may or may not be anyone else's. Does that mean they're wrong? No, it just means they're different and should be respect as such just as you and I. Being in an alternative lifestyle, I would think that you'd be more open to the differing of an opinion. I'm shocked to see I'm wrong. Lets see... I can think.. I have my own moral standard and code to live by... I can speak and express opinion! Now since I have that ability and these principles... Do i just put them in the closet because you and others might not like them... No... Nor do I expect someone else to close their mouths just because I don't like there opinions or morals. I am not afraid to listen to some when they are wrong g So... who give me the authority ... I DO!!! I am not afraid to take that responsiblity and risk to be right or wrong... maybe you are! But I am not.

truesub4u -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mstrofsnfulplsre Yes i as well cant wait. one more week then i can put your sometimes vicious tongue to good use ....................lmao My tongue?.... though you liked my tongue... oops.. might need to take this elsewhere... lmao huggggggggggggggggggggggggggggsssssssssssssssssssssss

MistressOfGa -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:03:07 PM)
quote: AGAIN... what does my experience have to do with the thread??? well other than i had the balls to say what i felt and Mmany disagreed with it. _____________________________ i am a slave... i am not Your slave! (in reply to MistressOfGa) This one. It doesnt matter, I didnt mean to make an issue of this, I just want to know where it is you seem to think that I brought up your experience.

KnightofMists -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:04:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. [/size] Thank you

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:11:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn I wish I could express myself on this as well as you do on this. I agree with you about moral responsibility, and can only speak for myself. If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved. If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate. So........ you're willing to destroy a home and other peoples lives because you "think" a situation maybe abuse and all you can say, if you're wrong is that we can all be glad you were wrong? I think your statement here said it best: quote: statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue. You, yourself show that you have a complete lack of reality in the damage you could do to someones life. How very flippant of you to destroy someone's life who may not be doing it themselves.

KnightofMists -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn I wish I could express myself on this as well as you do on this. I agree with you about moral responsibility, and can only speak for myself. If someone I know gets in a situation that I think is abusive, I'm going to scream it at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen. If there are unmentionables involved in any way, even if they are just living in the house, I'll do whatever I can to make sure the authorities are also involved. If I end up wrong, we can all be happy that I was. If that ends up with someone hating me forever ... well, let's just hope it's a long hate. So........ you're willing to destroy a home and other peoples lives because you "think" a situation maybe abuse and all you can say, if you're wrong is that we can all be glad you were wrong? I think your statement here said it best: quote: statements like the above quote, illustrate why there is a complete lack of understanding of reality, on this issue. You, yourself show that you have a complete lack of reality in the damage you could do to someones life. How very flippant of you to destroy someone's life who may not be doing it themselves. Complete lack of reality??????? mmmmmmmmmmmm I would say it shows she has Courage!! Some have it like MistressofGa and others... and some do not! They prefer to hide behind the Dominant's Excuse "There was Consent!" Courage isn't raising to the challenge when things are assured and without risk... it's raising to the occasion in the face of uncertainty for what one believes to be true and accepting the risks of being right or wrong!

Level -> RE: Who or What gives You the Dominate the right! (3/6/2006 3:21:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa quote: ORIGINAL: Level Good for you, angelic, no need to "turn tail and run".........now, let me ask the folks on the "it's abuse" side.....if the person in question lived in your town, what exactly would you do? Even without them living in your town.......what are you going to do? Level Level, I am assuming you are talking about the submissive/slave? Nothing. I will do nothing. It is none of my business as to what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. I have had a friend come to my house to get away from her abuser (husband), I took her in and tried to protect her. He came into my house and was dragging her out of my frontdoor by her hair and for my troubles I recieved 3 broken ribs, a broken nose and a colapsed lung. I spent two weeks in the hospital. What did this friend do while her abuser/husband was beating the shit out of me and I was fighting back, she was yelling at me to leave her husband alone. My point is, I will be the first to stand up and fight for those who ask me for help, at the cost of my own safety. I am co-founder of a non-profit organization that helps abuse survivors to escape their abusers. We host events to raise money for safe houses, relocation costs and to raise public awareness and education. We hold seminars, which I speak at, for law enforcement agency's, child protective services, mental health professionals and school officials. I am an abuse survivor, and that is what encouraged my sister and I to become so pro-active with regards to this subject. I spent many many years in treatment in order to even live with myself and I am now in a position to give back what I have learned and to share my experiences with those who are still fighting to survive. I had not intended to share this much with you all, but I think under the circumstances it is important that I tell you where I am coming from on this. Thank you for reading. Yes, MofGA, and really, I was curious of what the "other" side would do smiles.....but thanks for responding....and more importantly, thank you for what you do in terms of helping those that need it....I am impressed nods. Level

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