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sirsholly -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:08:43 AM)

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.
and therefore all rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs are Jewish?




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:10:12 AM)

Any population in which the penis of their males is circumcised - including Muslims and USA Christians - by my definition is on the Jewish physiological and cultural evolutionary track, eventually - after a number of generations - resulting in increased frequency of homosexuality (I expect; research is required), increased frequency of congenital diseases (and ugliness; it is a package deal), polygamy (and rapists; another package deal), crime and hence the sharia (including the stoning, drowning and throat cutting and 'honour' murders of females), and in martyrdom.

....

These are your assumptions.. and quite a stretch they are.  Without data to support your claims, they are nothing more than your beliefs.




rulemylife -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:10:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u 

Christianity is responsible for ending slavery, cannibalism, oppression of women, etc... throughout the world, not to mention scientific and medical advances. 

Anyone can start a thread and make ridiculous claims and assertions, without a shred of historical fact, and it's never more evident than when people who hate their Creator decide to weigh in.



Ever heard of the Crusades?   The Medieval Inquisition?  The Spanish Inquisition?




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:11:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.
and therefore all rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs are Jewish?


That is how i took his statement, Holly.  Im not sure that is what he meant though. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:19:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
So your basic points are that any religion that practices circumcision is Jewish? 

No. My thesis is that any population that practices circumcision will evolve behaviors and an increased frequency of congenital diseases that are typical for Jewish/Islamic populations and which will eventually be incorporated into their religious doctrines.

Google "congenital diseases" & arabic.



Circumcision is not a trait that is hereditary.  We all are born with an appendix that has no known function anymore... it may at one time have.  The slicing of the male penis can have psychological affects, sure... rarely would they lead them to rape or murder... and i say rarely because im sure someone may have made that claim before.  However, it would have no lingering hereditary effect, just like the appendix.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:26:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
....  The slicing of the male penis can have psychological affects, sure... rarely would they lead them to rape or murder...



Tazzygirl....I am curious how the above statement is a fact as most male infants are circumcised shortly after birth? Seems to me that an infant's psychology isn't set at that early age enough that would cause a psychological effect later in life. Granted there are some cases where certain psychological harm at a very early age does have noticeable repercussions later on, but the removal of a piece of skin?

eta: seems to me that some adult males will make an issue over being circumcised as an infant, yet I logically believe that a male who whines and complains about being circumcised as an infant is just that; an excuse to rant. I mean, most of us who are circumcised as an infant, don't recall having it done thus our mindset is of indifference based upon the fact that it happened at such an earlier age that we dismiss it as something which is inconsequential.




DarkSteven -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:31:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.
and therefore all rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs are Jewish?


No wonder I'm always exhausted!




Musicmystery -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:32:39 AM)

http://www.circumstitions.com/USA.html




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:33:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
....  The slicing of the male penis can have psychological affects, sure... rarely would they lead them to rape or murder...



Tazzygirl....I am curious how the above statement is a fact as most male infants are circumcised shortly after birth? Seems to me that an infant's psychology isn't set at that early age enough that would cause a psychological effect later in life. Granted there are some cases where certain psychological harm at a very early age does have noticeable repercussions later on, but the removal of a piece of skin?

eta: seems to me that for some adult males will make an issue over being circumcised as an infant, yet I logically believe that a male who whines and complains about being circumcised as an infant is just that; an excuse to rant. I mean, most of us who are circumcised as an infant, don't recall having it done thus our mindset is of indifference based upon the fact that it happened at such an earlier age that we dismiss it as something which is inconsequential.



Not all are infants.  As late as 7 for some, adults at one point were also having this procedure.   So, yes, there are always a percentage who can and will remember the pain.




thishereboi -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:36:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Good point and when I browse the forums, I see a lot of threads bashing religion, but I don't see the ones claiming believing is the only true way to live. Maybe you could provide a few links from those believers who start these threads on a daily basis.



I was referring to the comments on this particular thread, but if you want to see who is claiming believing is the only way to live you only have to turn on your television or open a newspaper.

Do you know of an atheist equivalent I can watch similar to The 700 Club?

For that matter, do you know of any networks devoted exclusively to atheists that compete with the Christian Broadcasting Network and the Christian Science Network?

Do I really need to go on with the Christian Coalition, the Moral Majority, the Traditional Values Coalition, the Family Research Council and the multitude of other conservative Christian organizations that not only claim believing is the only way, but want to actively influence government regarding those beliefs.



The posts in this thread are in response to the OP which is bashing religion. You said "Oh, not so fast.

You want him to let it go but we must listen to the "believers" on a daily basis.

You need to only look at this forum for which side is more vocal."

Now if it really bothers you that people respond to all these "religion sucks" threads, maybe you should get together with the other atheists on the boards and stop starting threads about it.




Musicmystery -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:37:36 AM)

Incidentally, as non-religious circumcision began in 19th century England as a cure for masturbation, we can conclude rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs don't masturbate.

Fortunately, forced masturbation for all felons can predictably rehabilitate these criminals.

It will also convert heathens to the one true faith.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:38:24 AM)

Thanks for the link, MusicMystery.




sirsholly -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:41:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Incidentally, as non-religious circumcision began in 19th century England as a cure for masturbation, we can conclude rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs don't masturbate.

Fortunately, forced masturbation for all felons can predictably rehabilitate these criminals.

It will also convert heathens to the one true faith.
cause they all yell "OhGodOhGod......" followed by "JesusChrist.. where are the tissues when ya need 'em?" [sm=dunno.gif]




Musicmystery -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:44:44 AM)

That's it, holly. It's all a plot by the tissue manufacturers.

[They're probably spreading around all these cold/flu viruses too, as well as blocking health care legislation.]

What to do with all that tissue money





Mercnbeth -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:55:15 AM)

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Didn't read any of the previous 6 pages, sorry if this perspective has already been covered.

"Believers" of all 'gods' are a plague. Belief without fact, absolute and without questioning, generates the fanaticism we see all around us.

It is a pity that human nature requires, for some reason I can't rationalize, a need to 'believe' in something. When ignorant and with limited access and ability to change that status, 'formal religions' serve a purpose.They make people obey for fear, not of repercussion in this world which would be impossible to enforce based upon simply pragmatic numbers, but by fear of the 'next' world's repercussions. 'Man' has advanced a little. No longer do we think the stars represent 'eye's of gods. 'Magic tricks'; like turning water into wine; don't amuse anymore. We know much of the 'man behind the curtain'. However 'man' still needs to believe in something.

In this era, its seems that the advancement of knowledge has led to more 'gods' being created. Now we have politics, global warming, environmental, among many new 'gods' to assign that need.

Nothing wrong with believing in any of the gods, old or new. It's the fanatic belief in any of them to the exclusion of any other consideration, that generated the polarization, war, and hatred we saw in the past, and we are seeing the the present. Intolerance for any 'non-believer' or even a conflicting 'god' is why belief in any 'god' has been responsible for more pain, suffering, and death than any other plague.




Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:56:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Any population in which the penis of their males is circumcised - including Muslims and USA Christians - by my definition is on the Jewish physiological and cultural evolutionary track, eventually - after a number of generations - resulting in increased frequency of homosexuality (I expect; research is required), increased frequency of congenital diseases (and ugliness; it is a package deal), polygamy (and rapists; another package deal), crime and hence the sharia (including the stoning, drowning and throat cutting and 'honour' murders of females), and in martyrdom.

....

These are your assumptions.. and quite a stretch they are.  Without data to support your claims, they are nothing more than your beliefs.

Are the Samoans and the Maoris all Jewish as well, then?




Moonhead -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 10:58:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Nothing wrong with believing in any of the gods, old or new. It's the fanatic belief in any of them to the exclusion of any other consideration, that generated the polarization, war, and hatred we saw in the past, and we are seeing the the present. Intolerance for any 'non-believer' or even a conflicting 'god' is why belief in any 'god' has been responsible for more pain, suffering, and death than any other plague.

Do you honestly think anything can be described as a "God" if that sort of unthinking exclusivity doesn't occur?




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 11:02:55 AM)

I like the chuckles i get reading your posts when you dont read what you are responding too.




rulemylife -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 11:03:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


The posts in this thread are in response to the OP which is bashing religion. You said "Oh, not so fast.

You want him to let it go but we must listen to the "believers" on a daily basis.

You need to only look at this forum for which side is more vocal."

Now if it really bothers you that people respond to all these "religion sucks" threads, maybe you should get together with the other atheists on the boards and stop starting threads about it.



I've never started one, but one of the reasons so many of them do get started is that those who do not believe or those who question belief are inundated on a daily basis by those who do, per the examples I gave and many others that I left out.




tazzygirl -> RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. (10/17/2009 11:04:20 AM)

I dont know.  You will have to ask Rule what he meant by that statement.




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