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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 6:45:52 PM

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Do you honestly think anything can be described as a "God" if that sort of unthinking exclusivity doesn't occur?

Unh, yes....

The Lord sayeth,
Hear my supreme word which I shall speak unto thee, My beloved, with desire for thy welfare:
I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all things.
I am the consciousness of beings; and of knowledge, the knowledge of the supreme.
I am the same in all; there are none who are disliked or favorites to Me.
Hear my supreme word, for thou art surely loved by Me; I speak for thy good.
He who sees the supreme Lord existing alike in all beings, is he who truly sees.

(selected excerpts from the Bhagavad Gita)
K.

That is beautiful and something I could have said (except that some gods are not rational). Which god said that? I am guessing Brahma - but it also may have been Krishna?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 6:47:12 PM

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in the House and the Senate when a vote is taken, they have ayes and nays. the more of one makes it the winner. is that not majority rules?

That's a portion of the process by which our country is run, not the whole process as you pointed out a page ago:

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my point, which you obviously mnissed, was that a small portion of the population are undermining the age old law that majority rules. so because 18% of the population doesnt believe in religon or God, the ohter 82% shouldnt be allowed to observe their rituals and beliefs. And to correct you the 1stAmendment to the Constition says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitingt the free exercise thereof; " and the 9trh amendment states"the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Now as I see it that says we can all have our beliefs, that congress cant say we cant have those beliefs, and that congress cant pass any laws restrictingb this right.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 6:52:04 PM

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the age old law that majority rules?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 6:55:08 PM

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.
and therefore all rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs are Jewish?

Not all rectangles are squares, though all squares are rectangles. Your question is the weird result of convoluted thinking.

From someone who professes:

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. My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking'

well whadda ya know...mine is!!

I expect less irrationality and more clear headedness.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:08:46 PM

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That is beautiful... Which god said that?

The Bhagavad Gita is Krishna's discourse with the warrior Arjuna.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:09:53 PM

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Any population in which the penis of their males is circumcised - including Muslims and USA Christians - by my definition is on the Jewish physiological and cultural evolutionary track, eventually - after a number of generations - resulting in increased frequency of homosexuality (I expect; research is required), increased frequency of congenital diseases (and ugliness; it is a package deal), polygamy (and rapists; another package deal), crime and hence the sharia (including the stoning, drowning and throat cutting and 'honour' murders of females), and in martyrdom.

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These are your assumptions.. and quite a stretch they are. Without data to support your claims, they are nothing more than your beliefs.

It is also my assumption that when I add 55 and 56, I get something larger than 100, considering that both are larger than 100 divided by 2.

What can I say? I did study biology for a fair number of years and in biology I was the best in my class. I have an innate aptitude for biology. Often I knew what my biology teacher was going to say before he said it; he was that good and I was that good. Also I am a supergenius. I would love more data, but the data that I do have, however circumstantial, is sufficient for someone with my abilities to formulate this best fit hypothesis that elegantly attributes all the problems that plague populations that practice circumcision to that very practice. This is what distinguishes a superior hypothesis that is most likely right from a multitude of different hypotheses that each try to explain one particular phenomenon and that are likely to all be wrong.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:21:01 PM

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.
and therefore all rapists, polygamists, criminals and martyrs are Jewish?

Not all rectangles are squares, though all squares are rectangles. Your question is the weird result of convoluted thinking.

From someone who professes:

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. My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking'

well whadda ya know...mine is!!

I expect less irrationality and more clear headedness.

That's what she's pointing out to you--that it's irrational (she's employing irony).

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:37:01 PM

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Circumcision is not a trait that is hereditary.

Oops. If I was a teacher of evolution biology and if you were one of my students, that assertion would cause you to fail my course, no matter how well you answered any of my exam questions. Even if you were in all other things the best student of my class, that assertion would cause you to fail.

I repeat from my post 92: "One aspect of the evolutionary algorithm is that it is exponential: any physiological change resulting in a reproductive advantage, however slight, will cause any subsequent mutation or change in behaviour that adds to such an advantage to have an exponential larger effect and thus be strongly selected for".

Conceivably, in a population that practices circumcision for a fair number of generations, mutations may occur that increase the likelihood that individuals instinctively are inclined to practice circumcision, for example men preferring to give their daughter in marriage to circumcised men. (I am fairly sure that if I gave it some thought, I could give dozens if not hundreds of other similar paths to circumcision becoming a hereditary trait.)

I do not know whether practicing circumcision is a hereditary trait in such populations, but I would expect that it may be so and it would not surprise me in the slightest if indeed it is.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:43:26 PM

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That's what she's pointing out to you--that it's irrational (she's employing irony).

Well, it is irrational of her to point that out to me, as I did not say that. She is in fact quoting tazzygirl from tazzygirl's post 90, to which question I denied in my post 95.

I quote my post 95:

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So, you are saying if a male is circumcised then he is 1) a product of a Jewish faith. and 2) will soon follow the tracks of rapists, polygamy, criminals and martyrs.

No, I am not saying that. Generalizations applicable to a population do not necessarily apply to an individual in such a population. Also, it does require a number of generations for changes in the gene pool to result in new stable allele frequencies in that gene pool.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:44:04 PM

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I'm so glad that's all straight now. Thanks.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:46:05 PM

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Odd quote. Thanks for bringing it up - I'll have to ask a rabbi. Aside from violating the crystal clear "Thou shalt not kill" in the Commandments, it also advocates the senseless slaughter of livestock.

There are people who reconcile that apparent contradiction by saying that "Thou shalt not kill" is a mistranslation and it should read "Thou shall not commit murder". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Killing_or_murder

Either way the Old Testament demands killing in a number of places and you might find the conversation with your Rabbi about the rationalizations for not following passages such as those below rather interesting.
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 20:27
Leviticus 21:9
Exodus 22:19
Exodus 31:12-15
2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Zechariah 13:3
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 13:7-12
Deuteronomy 13:1-5

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:48:56 PM

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my point, which you obviously mnissed, was that a small portion of the population are undermining the age old law that majority rules. so because 18% of the population doesnt believe in religon or God, the ohter 82% shouldnt be allowed to observe their rituals and beliefs. And to correct you the 1stAmendment to the Constition says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibitingt the free exercise thereof; " and the 9trh amendment states"the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Now as I see it that says we can all have our beliefs, that congress cant say we cant have those beliefs, and that congress cant pass any laws restricting this right.

Congress has not passed any laws saying that any religious belief can't be held and practiced. What you are protesting seems to be the idea that one religion cannot impose it's beliefs on the country as government policy. You also seem to forget that the constitution is not only set up to protect the rule of the majority but the rights of the minority.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 7:57:37 PM

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Seems to me that an infant's psychology isn't set at that early age enough that would cause a psychological effect later in life. Granted there are some cases where certain psychological harm at a very early age does have noticeable repercussions later on, but the removal of a piece of skin?

How about the removal of the tail or ears of a puppy? Or one of them tiny toes? Or the genitalia of a girl?
Circumcision is a violation of the integrity of the child, of the sanctity of his body. It is an act of extreme aggression.

As for me: my memory goes back to when I was suckled by my mom, who always stopped at six months and I do recall that I had many months of memories before that, perhaps up to or even before my birth. (I cannot remember being born and suspect that I was asleep at the time.)

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most of us who are circumcised as an infant, don't recall having it done thus our mindset is of indifference based upon the fact that it happened at such an earlier age that we dismiss it as something which is inconsequential.

Pff. There is one part of the mind that hides the memory of trauma's from other parts of the mind. That you do not recall it consciously does not mean that the traumatic memory is not present in your subconscious mind.

Edited to add: my previous posts were not about any psychological trauma caused by circumcision - that is another subject entirely - but about the inevitable evolutionary repercussions on the composition of the gene pool, and on the phenotypes (including cultural behavior) of individuals in the affected population.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:22:36 PM

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Will the "we" was myself and Masterjack...But God bless you too rule...may miracles enter your life ...even if you are not able to see them for what they are.

Butch

Butch, I truly do see the miracles.

I just went downstairs to my refrigerator thinking I was out of beer, but lo and behold a twelve pack miraculously appeared.

I think Jesus was in my 'fridge and just like feeding the multitudes by multiplying the fish and the loaves he performed the miracle of turning my last beer into a twelve-pack.

Praise Jesus!!

(Either that or I forgot I went to the store and bought more. But then we can still give him credit for giving me the unseen and unknown spiritual inspiration to go to the store to buy more.)

Thank you rml, you just made me spew coffee all over my laptop.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:25:09 PM

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You obviously did not go back over what i posted Rule. Pity as you said you would.

Second, im glad im not one of your students. Someone who thinks so highly of himself cannot think well of anyone else, a requirement for teaching.

Third, what are you smoking Dear?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:27:26 PM

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Are the Samoans and the Maoris all Jewish as well, then?

Excellent question!

Both are island populations. I do note that generally island populations have a free sexual moral, resulting in (nearly) as many congenital diseases as in mainland populations that do practice circumcision. Because of the free sexual morals in such island populations, I would expect circumcision to decrease the change of transmission of sexually transmissible diseases, but not to have any of the evolutionary consequences it has in mainland populations. In such island populations the evolutionary necessity for free sexual morals is far stronger than the selection for instincts and cultural behavior that opposes the transmission of such diseases.

So no: such island populations are not Jewish, even though they practice circumcision - but they do have nearly as high a frequency of congenital diseases. I have as yet no idea how to solve that problem. Moving the whole population to the mainland and replacing it by geriatrics?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:31:34 PM

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You obviously did not go back over what i posted Rule. Pity as you said you would.

Quite: obviously.

I am working backwards through the thread. I am now on page 6. Your post was on page 5. Patience. I will get to page 5 when I am done with page 6.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:32:50 PM

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You obviously did not go back over what i posted Rule. Pity as you said you would.

Quite: obviously.

I am working backwards through the thread. I am now on page 6. Your post was on page 5. Patience. I will get to page 5 when I am done with page 6.

If you were one of my students, I'd flunk you for that!!!!

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:33:23 PM

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Naaa.. dont bother, but thanks for the effort. I rarely know what you are speaking about... guess im not up to your super-genious level. Enjoy your evening though. I will leave you to your lofty, intellectual endeavours.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 8:46:18 PM

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So I now have read the quote in your post.

Them poor USA people are per my definition all turning into Jews. Please let me know when they start to murder adulterous females.

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