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slaveyslave -> Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/16/2009 9:30:42 PM)
i am a born slave it is in my heart and soul. i have been in a couple of TPE part-time relationships but am still looking for the perfect 247 TPE relationship because i know that is were i belong. But this is my whiny post just to see how other slaves feel. i see a slave as being below a sub in that a slave has no choice in what he does once he choices an Owner. Question is do any other TPE slaves sometime wish they were not slave? Ever been sleeping on the floor and wish you could be in a nice warm bed? Ever wish you could cum anytime you wanted? Ever wish you could pee without permission? and so on? i would like to know what you miss about your life before you became a slave. slavey

porcelaine -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/16/2009 10:23:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveyslave i see a slave as being below a sub in that a slave has no choice in what he does once he choices an Owner. i view slavery as a different way of relating in the context of a power exchange. i don't feel she's better or lower than a submissive, but has made conscious decisions to cede control to the dominant without the benefit of compromise and negotiation. hers is a different road where fulfillment is possible, very much like submission is for others. i should also include that slavery is interpreted differently by each pair. some utilize the tenets of D/s, M/s, or O/p in their dynamic. which can have marked variances of control and surrender depending on the parties involved. quote: Question is do any other TPE slaves sometime wish they were not slave? there are days when i love it immensely and other moments when i sincerely question my sanity and wonder why i had to do this the hard way. i have come to accept what i am and developed a special appreciation for my slavery. this doesn't change my response to the cycles of introspection nor the highs and lows we experience. it can be a lonely path at times and i make a concerted effort to mitigate this as much as i can. in spite of these things, the challenges have merit. they allow me to revisit myself internally and lead to the eventual development of important elements that foster gratitude and humility. it isn't a path for everyone, but it is my vocation and something i excel at doing. quote: Ever been sleeping on the floor and wish you could be in a nice warm bed? i sleep in a very warm plush bed. i have yet to encounter one person that is willing to provide the same. rather than lament what's to come i enjoy the pleasure while it exists and my high thread count. i secretly hope his floors have some good padding too but i generally keep that one to myself. quote: Ever wish you could cum anytime you wanted? this one isn't a problem for me because i routinely utilize restriction in various ways. it sharpens the mind and improves the attention span. there's also the discipline gained from denial. you become appreciative of the privilege when it is granted. the term owned and operated really factors into my thinking on this one. my body belongs to Him. this doesn't imply i didn't have my moments of frustration either, but i embraced the hardship and suffered for Him. the angst was internalized and i usually found a strange sort of peace after that. quote: Ever wish you could pee without permission? are we assuming i'm using proper facilities or have i been blessed with a bowl, newspaper, or litter box? it could be a lot worse. i figure it is better to get it done than have an accident that i'll have to clean up. i'm willing to bet there won't be a mop involved. this is truly ymmv but the humiliation is a turn on. quote: and so on? this is a path that i've chosen to walk. the level of surrender i seek now is much deeper than what i desired in the past. i see this as a reflection of my willingness to hand over all. absolute is no longer something i have trouble envisioning, it is merely a lifestyle i embrace and find myself moving towards. i recognize the challenges and all that will no longer be mine to decide, but that's part of the appeal as well. i don't want control. if i did i'd be on the other side of the whip. when i encounter ideas of this nature i view it as one more thing that needs to be surrendered. if resistance is allowed to fester it brings its reactant cousin along and all their troublesome friends. if i'm focusing on what i cannot do versus the things that i have yet to give, the glass will always seem half full. in the end no matter what i may miss, it doesn't compare to the bliss i feel when i'm kneeling, or the pain i experience when the One i want is not in my presence. if this doesn't bring my mind into alignment i don't know what will. my surrender pleases Him. His pleasure brings me joy. it balances out quite nicely. porcelaine

slaveyslave -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/16/2009 11:34:31 PM)
Wow porcelaine that is amazingly well put. it is easy for a slave to lose sight of his goals become selfish. Keeping those selfish thoughts out of his head is part of the selfdisapline required to be a slave. Being Owned is a gift always thank You for reminding me of that. slavey

Surrenderwithin -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 12:32:59 AM)
Slavey, I think you must first understand that not all slaves are kept on the floor, have to have permission to cum, or have their bodily functions controlled by their owner. Many owners choose not to treat their thier slave in that manner or exercise that type of control. However, to answer the point of your question. Sure, there are times when being a slave is hard as hell and I wish I could just turn it off and be something different. However, I see the inability to stop being a slave and stop serving him or my inability to choose to walk away from the relationship as the very thing that sets me apart from a submissive and makes me a slave. Yes, sometimes I wish I was not a slave. However, people with straight hair always wish they had natural curls and those with luscious curls wish their hair was straight. I think it is a part of hunan nature to view the grass greener on the other side.... just a slave, Maggi

sunshinemiss -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 12:43:04 AM)
Hello to the OP, There comes a time in everyone's life (if they are lucky) when they realize they are what they are - whatever that is. With gay people, we call it Coming Out. This is the time when we decide to live with our own authority, and that, no matter how slavey you are, no matter how deeply mastered you are, THAT will NEVER be something you can give away. Becasue even if you are mastered or give up your x, y, and z, you still retain the choice by your own authority to live within that context. Anyone with any kind of self awareness and self acutalization has had to go through some kind of wavering until they become clear about who they are. You are no different. It is not always an earth shattering event. But it is an event. It is a rite of passage. The important thing for you to know, if I'm reading your question right, is that you are not alone. Pretty much all people go through this. We all have a questioning of our conscience. Either that or we live alone on an island. YMMV. May you have peace, sunshine

LittleBigGirl -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 12:47:25 AM)
I see my peers engaging in a lot of things (and having the types of fun) that I could never enjoy. Things I'm not allowed to do. They make it look so appealing that, yes, occasionally I wish I were different.

DesFIP -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:15:38 AM)
Bathroom control is something I'm not going to do. I'm past menopause which means that no matter how many kegels I do, a sneezing spell is going to cause me to run to the bathroom with my legs crossed. The fact that I can't do this doesn't negate my ability to follow where he leads anymore than my inability to flap my arms in the air and fly. If you don't want a harsh relationship where you are forbidden any comfort, then why do you choose those relationships. I sleep in bed with him, not on the floor. I sit on the couch with him so he can put his arm around me, have me to cuddle with, lie down on my lap when he wants a nap. I'm valuable to him so he treats me that way. Why do you pick owners who think you are not valuable, not desirable, who do not want you to be happy and healthy?

sirsholly -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:23:38 AM)
quote: Ever been sleeping on the floor and wish you could be in a nice warm bed? Yep...on a camping trip. Never again. I require a mattress and porcelain. Ever wish you could cum anytime you wanted? I do Ever wish you could pee without permission? that'll be the day.... quote: i see a slave as being below a sub in that a slave has no choice in what he does once he choices an Owner. i see a slave as being below no one and nothing. Simply put, it means i am his.

kyraofMists -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:27:02 AM)
I don't see myself as "a slave", I see myself as "his slave". I also do not view submissive or slave as one being better, higher or lower than the other. I see it as one person is fulfilled in a relationship where their partner has complete authority over their lives and another is fulfilled in a relationship where their partner has limited authority over their lives. It is just a different path to choose to have a happy and fulfilled relationship with someone else. To wish that I were not his slave, is to wish that I was not in a relationship with him and I can't see myself ever wishing for that to happen. There are things that I miss not having authority over, but I don't dwell on them and really they are very minor in comparison to what I have gained by being in this relationship. The one thing that I miss the most is not being able to randomly buy things for myself or for others. I used to enjoy shopping and buying little things to pamper myself and others; I miss being able to do that. Having to ask for permission for every thing takes the pleasure out of it for me, so I don't do it anymore. But in writing this I realize that I could ask him permission for an allowance to spend so that when I have the desire then the money is there and permission is already given.... Knight's Kyra

IdiotMale -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:37:57 AM)
It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. Here in America we used to own slaves. They were brought over from Africa in shackles and not treated very well and seen as objects to be used and abused and had no or very few rights.That is what a slave is and although I of course do not condone what took place here many years ago,that is/was true slavery.My way of choosing to live like a slave is similar to that kind of treatment only for me I only wish to be a slave to a woman and have experienced this type of slavery and am currently still seeking this.

kyraofMists -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:42:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IdiotMale It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. Here in America we used to own slaves. They were brought over from Africa in shackles and not treated very well and seen as objects to be used and abused and had no or very few rights.That is what a slave is and although I of course do not condone what took place here many years ago,that is/was true slavery.My way of choosing to live like a slave is similar to that kind of treatment only for me I only wish to be a slave to a woman and have experienced this type of slavery and am currently still seeking this. LOL So glad you are here to enlighten us on this difference. At least your moniker is appropriate.

DarkSteven -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 4:55:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IdiotMale It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub. And you're one of them. quote: There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. Nope. A slave does as the Master or Mistress says. If that includes sleeping in the same bed, then the slave obeys. It's all about serving another's wishes, not adhering to an outside set of rules.

IdiotMale -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 5:02:06 AM)
Sorry I'm not one of them..Facts are facts. I do love however how many of you on here ask for opinions and then get annoyed,pissed off etc. when someone gives their opinion that you don't agree with.

DarkSteven -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 5:05:04 AM)
I apologize for missing the part of your post that stated that you were presenting your opinions, as opposed to facts.

kyraofMists -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 5:14:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IdiotMale Sorry I'm not one of them..Facts are facts. I do love however how many of you on here ask for opinions and then get annoyed,pissed off etc. when someone gives their opinion that you don't agree with. Actually, no one on this thread asked for your opinion on whether we understood the difference between submissive or slave, yet you chose to give it anyway. And you are projecting if you think I am "annoyed, pissed off etc.". I am actually highly amused. Knight's Kyra

littlewonder -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 5:59:32 AM)
I wasn't born a slave but I have a relationship with Master where I do as he says always. Yes there are times when I wish I could have my way instead of his. I wish this at work at times too. I wish this with my kid and family also but life just doesn't work this way. It isn't always all about me and I don't always get what I want. As an adult you learn to live with it and move on and realize that life is about give and take. Pick your battles carefully.

DesFIP -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 6:12:57 AM)
Gee, I'll have to call him up and tell him he isn't a real true owner because he wants me in bed so he can play with me whenever he wants, and because I'm a heat sink and without me he gets overheated. Yeah, he must be a fake because he enjoys cuddling with me. My place is wherever he wants me, plain and simple. I don't set the rules, he does. It really is that simple. When you start telling your dominant what he/she may or may not do, then you are usurping the control you claimed to have handed over.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 6:16:43 AM)
You offered a condenscending opinion on anyone that does not agree with you. Just look at your last post, and how it starts. Slavery goes back a lot further than the slavery in the US, maybe you should do some research into that. Slaves that were extremely beautiful, or had rare talents were extremely valuable, and any owner that did not recognize that and mistreated them is an idiot male. Kind of like the idiots I see that have a nice sports car, and have no clue how to treat it properly. Each slave is different, with a different mind and skill set, and there is no blanket one size fits all way to treat them. Now my personal opinion is that they are property, and have consented to a suspension of their rights. I treat them as such, but that does not mean abuse and degradation. If I want someone to abuse and degrade, I will find some idiot male that has no clue about life. I imagine someone is sitting around bored and just being a troll to pass the time. To the OP: My property has said on occassion that she does not want to be a slave, but it is usually when she has gotten into trouble, or not getting her way. She only sleeps on the floor as punishment, otherwise she is naked in my bed. I control her orgasms for various reasons. I also control my own orgasms for some of those reasons. I asked my girl what she misses about her life before being collared, and she said nothing. Her life was a mess before she begged to be mine, and now she has stability, happiness, and structure. quote: ORIGINAL: IdiotMale Sorry I'm not one of them..Facts are facts. I do love however how many of you on here ask for opinions and then get annoyed,pissed off etc. when someone gives their opinion that you don't agree with.

sirsholly -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 6:21:25 AM)
quote: It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. well dayyyy-um do i feel dumb. The fact is your way is not my way is not the next persons way.

DarkSteven -> RE: Do you ever wish you were not a slave (10/17/2009 6:25:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: It would appear that many on this site still don't understand the difference between a slave and a sub.There is no romance and cuddling and sleeping in the same bed etc etc with a slave.A slave is treated as an object and not treated all that well. well dayyyy-um do i feel dumb. holly, I feel inclined to treat you decently. That's okay, isn't it, because you're a sub and not a slave? Just how poorly am I supposed to treat you as a sub? You know that we Doms live in terror that we'll break a rule or do something wrong...

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