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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/20/2009 10:16:17 AM   
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Well, take the fuckin mask off girl, it is prolly obscuring your vision.
And paint them goddamn toe nails too, looks like you aint been down there for awhile.

Ron


It's not the mask, Ron, it's the boobies, lol!  :> 
Toe nails...ick, not a fan of toe nails. 
Yes, I am weird but Ron has lusted after me in his heart, so all is good with universe.  ;> 
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/20/2009 10:16:17 AM   
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This would be easily solved if fat people got into fashion. I blame women. They design, wear, and show-off their own dresses on the runway. If anyone should be shot it's the models.



Try looking at these links *snort*

http://www.bgmmodels.com.au/
http://www.plusmodelsearch.com/
http://www.judgmentofparis.com/links.htm#models


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:21:29 AM   
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"If ya don't like the big girls, don't talk to the big girls. How hard is that???"
Because they put out.
A better solution to fat people is just not MAKE clothes that big.


Wait, are you really bashing fat chicks and saying that you use them because you have met some who will sleep with you more readily than more slender girls?  There are all sorts of character flaws inherent and implied in what you said. 
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:24:04 AM   
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Yanno DavanKael...maybe they took pity on his sorry ass!

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:25:50 AM   
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Lol, perhaps Bear.  Hell, I'm within normal weight range and damn short and I'm pretty sure I could break him.  ;>
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:28:20 AM   
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just look at Kate Moss, Twiggy, Milla Jojovich and even Tori Spellibng. Cripes, no wonder eating disorders is rampant among the general population. Frankly a person who has a few extra pounds on their frame is more aesthetically pleasing then a person who is chronically skinny and looks like they are borderline anorexic.


yet you don't see the irony in your statement. there are some that would find those women attractive, even beautiful as they are. others would prefer someone that was slightly heavier. neither version are incorrect, merely what an individual desires for his or her own purposes.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:29:57 AM   
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well, hell-------look at Karen Carpenter...........oh, never mind............

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:32:35 AM   
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This would be like me saying the army doesn't like gays. You're right, I don't have absolute proof of that, though.

People who are not as fortunate as others work harder to attain the things they want. It's called determination and willpower. There is a better word for it but it slips my mind.

An no, actually, never been with a fat chick. Seen alot of good kids go down that road, though. And yes, it is a one-way road; I know fat chicks model. I know there is an entire fetish for them. And this fetish does not exist for fat MEN. This is because it is a gender issue. Google search "Hot Fat Women" and "Hot Fat Men" and compare the results.

I guess a another way of explaining the phenomenon is not just that fat women are "easier" or "more determined", its that mens' standards are easier to lower.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:33:04 AM   
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BUt what's more is I being overweight and out of shape, CLEARLY expect to be judged negatively because of same by Men who are looking for a slave. I don't sit around saying well he should get to know what's INSIDE, if he doesn't like the outside


did you ever think that is your perception, and not his? I am serious with this because we rarely see ourselves as others see us, and we are brutal critics toward the one in the mirror sometimes.

Angel...if you saw a woman walking down the street with your exact weight, height, waist size, etc., would you think she was overweight?



Holly, the short answer is if i saw them on the street -- yes i would consider them overweight and out of shape, if they resembled me currently.  As most of this is about appearance NOT A NUMBER on a scale. 

The perception the Men i know is very specific in what they wish from a slave and yes, being in shape and not overweight or fat is usually one thing that will have someone i am interested in saying thanks but no.  Their slaves MUST be aesthetically pleasing to them.   I accept this but more so expect this from these Men.  My former MAster was the same way, he would not keep a overweight out of shape slave and he maintained me so i was not.     I do see myself more critical than others do, and a lot of it is because of the slave in me.  grins, however, being critical of myself lol hasn't pushed me to do much about it.  I accept and expect the negative judgment of Men seeking slaves.  Why would i expect them to inspect me any differently than for all of what they wish and if they determine that my appearance -- no matter what it is, it could be my height, it could be my shoe size, it could be the way my body is proportioned -- NOT just weight --- if they don't find it aesthetically pleasing to them then yes, i expect them to man up and say it and decide if they wish to pay the cost (which they would have too due to the time and energy it would take to have the woman become what they aesthetically enjoy and deal with NOT finding her appearance pleasing until such time the change has occured) for the potential value they may see --- or i expect them to move on to a different girl until such time i raise myself to their standards to catch their interest.

I think people are taking this thread and making it about WOMEN in general, but to me its not, its about a Man seeking a specific concept and utilizing his desires to accept or reject the "candidates." 

I don't sell myself as a slave to anyone, but i do know if i wish to be a Man's slave who determines he won't inspect me further until such time my appearance suits him --- I accept that rejection and then the choice is mine as what to do.

I am not all that concerned about it as to me weight and appearance is all changeable if the desire is great enough.  Some people are judged on things they can't change like well being plain or not attractive at all.  People judge by appearance and what they deem fat is arbitrary.   That is a fact.

You know what's funny, is i don't believe a woman should try and create herself into what she believes is a slave, but i do believe Men do accept and reject based on MANY levels especially aesthetically.  One thing i do not like is the term BBW, it amazes me that big women who are secure in who they are and enjoy being that way have to coin a term to tell the world as if in defiance.  

angel

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:34:17 AM   
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Again, google "BBW" and then "BBM".

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:36:09 AM   
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The one B in the middle is often overrated I must say.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:36:53 AM   
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My point is you probably should not complain about men having high standards when they are obviously extremely fucking low, especially when most broads get flooded with messages on here regardless of a profile picture or not.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:44:27 AM   
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I think people are taking this thread and making it about WOMEN in general, but to me its not, its about a Man seeking a specific concept and utilizing his desires to accept or reject the "candidates." 


i know very few men that bend on appearance if that is a major component of their attraction and selection process. in power exchanges the dominant may have an aesthetic requirement and elect to take the girl if she doesn't meet it at the onset with the expectation that she will make the necessary changes. he can pass her up and say sorry, not a chance. or simply admit what he likes and suggest she contact him when she's in the proper form. what she chooses to do with the information is hers to decide. we all have choices.

however, i'm not going to suggest there's anything wrong with his decision if he chooses to avoid involvement. nor do i believe he should turn a blind eye either and accept her as is. he is the dominant and it isn't necessary for him to compromise his standard unless he wants to do it. but to tell him he must or insinuate anything negative about having a preference strikes me as a tad hypocritical.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:47:09 AM   
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just look at Kate Moss, Twiggy, Milla Jojovich and even Tori Spellibng. Cripes, no wonder eating disorders is rampant among the general population. Frankly a person who has a few extra pounds on their frame is more aesthetically pleasing then a person who is chronically skinny and looks like they are borderline anorexic.


yet you don't see the irony in your statement. there are some that would find those women attractive, even beautiful as they are. others would prefer someone that was slightly heavier. neither version are incorrect, merely what an individual desires for his or her own purposes.

porcelaine



Yes you are correct though looking at this from a medical and health aspect, they could be considered too underweight for their body type. Even in this day and age, the modeling industry is extremely focused on the thin model looks of a woman and yes on male models also. It is also a fact that too many are brainwashed into thinking the 'ideal' woman is one who is around 110 lbs and the perfect male has a wash board stomach, perfect teeth and thin as a rail. It just seems that too much of society is obsessed with strictly the outer appearance of  a person and doesn't acknowledge all aspects.

I do fully understand that many people consider the outward physical appearance of a person to be the major determining factor for attractiveness above all else. I seriously have to question where to draw the line between attractiveness based solely on looks and attractiveness based upon all other factors which a person has? Is it more important that a person be the perfect weight to reflect the common ideology of attractiveness or to be healthy and have a few extra pounds on their frame and still be considered attractive by common definitions?


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:52:05 AM   
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This would be like me saying the army doesn't like gays. You're right, I don't have absolute proof of that, though.

People who are not as fortunate as others work harder to attain the things they want. It's called determination and willpower. There is a better word for it but it slips my mind.

An no, actually, never been with a fat chick. Seen alot of good kids go down that road, though. And yes, it is a one-way road; I know fat chicks model. I know there is an entire fetish for them. And this fetish does not exist for fat MEN. This is because it is a gender issue. Google search "Hot Fat Women" and "Hot Fat Men" and compare the results.

I guess a another way of explaining the phenomenon is not just that fat women are "easier" or "more determined", its that mens' standards are easier to lower.


I'm not sure how or why you jumped to the Army doesn't like gays.  As the Army is not a single entity but rather a group.  Kind of like if I said Collar Me doesn't like shirowantami.  What is your point? 
In one sentence you're calling fat women more determined then you abroate that with the statement that men have low standards.  And in the middle, of course, you make the assurnce that you personally have never 'gone down that road'. 
I have preferences.  I behave accordingly.  I don't find jiggily fatness appealing (Though I am fine with a man who is somewhat overweight but solid) nor do I find stick-figure males yummy anymore (I much prefer the assurance than a male could break me potentially rather than my breaking him) but I didn't leap onto a thread saying they shouldn't make clothes for someone of your stature yet you said that about fat chicks.  It's one thing to have an prefence and not deviate from it, it's another thing to run around being intentionally insulting.  I've said some unpopular things on here in previous fat threads but your concerns have nothing to do with health nor are they specific to your own tastes, instead you're proposing ludicrous things and making sweepi generalizations and, much like the OP, it smacks of attention-seeking behavior.
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 10:57:29 AM   
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It just seems that too much of society is obsessed with strictly the outer appearance of  a person and doesn't acknowledge all aspects.

I do fully understand that many people consider the outward physical appearance of a person to be the major determining factor for attractiveness above all else. I seriously have to question where to draw the line between attractiveness based solely on looks and attractiveness based upon all other factors which a person has? Is it more important that a person be the perfect weight to reflect the common ideology of attractiveness or to be healthy and have a few extra pounds on their frame and still be considered attractive by common definitions?


we're not discussing society. we're speaking of individual desires and choices. if a person espouses that philosophy and considers themselves in opposition to societal projections that is fine, because they've made a decision to be this way. however, when you apply your personal views about what is suitable for you in a mate and foist that on others and decry differences in tastes and opinions, that is where i have an issue.

each person is entitled to select the partner that is best for them. what you find appealing i may believe to be positively unsuitable for my needs. the outsider looking in is not at liberty to affix definition on those things that i place importance on when selecting a partner.

the question you're left to ponder is only one that you can truthfully answer for yourself. but if i elect to forgo doing the same or come up with a different response, it doesn't imply that my answer is incorrect. but merely indicates that it is applicable for my situation alone.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 11:07:33 AM   
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Since this is a fat chick thread... let's make it a fat chick trying to get healthier thread.

My blood sugars are WAY out of control, and my Dr. has placed me on a VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet).  I am under pretty close  supervision while doing this.  I have to get about 40 lbs. off ASAP.  Without going into all the health issue related details... has anyone done this, and I need meal plan options!!!!  I have to keep my caloric intake between 500 and 750 per day, probably for about 8-12 weeks.  and yes, I AM under very close medical supervision.

So please, give me some meal ideas, particularly breakfast.  Today was 1/2 quick cooking oats with 1 cup of water, 7 raisins, a sprinkle of cinnamon, and a packet of sweet and low.  Oh, the black coffee with sweet 'n low was just nasty, but, I will get used to it.  maybe.  or stop drinking coffee.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 11:08:55 AM   
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stevia instead of sweetnlow. get it from the healthfood store.

celery celery celery

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 11:10:29 AM   
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We may not be discussing society but us individuals are a part of society. The point is each person does pick a partner based on their ideology yet it would be damn nice if the person's concepts are more down to earth than being a delusional fantasy. I did not say your statement was wrong...simply offering a different perspective.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeight - 10/20/2009 11:18:10 AM   
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PurePleasure,
Your doctor didn't give you menu options?  Are you able to see a nutritionist?
Some tips from my days of extreme dieting (That may or may not be healthy, so, again, nutritionist...and, no I was never obese, I just got tired of being called fat as a kid and took extreme measures):
1)Avoid diet soda (I was a huge diet soda drinker, it is not good for you)
2)Water load and a squeeze of lemon, lime, orange, or grapefruit into the water can give you a burst of flavor
3)Bulion; it's like soup without most of the calories (Low sodium if you can find it)
4)Lettuce (By itself or used instead of bread or tortillas to save calories)
5)Chew gum (Helps you feel more sated and your stomach growl less)
6)Numerous small meals
7)Vitamins, though watch when you take them as they may upset your stomach
Imo, easing back into eating more normally is at least as important as now because you're starv your body, so when you stop doing that, what you are putting is exemely important. 
Best wishes,
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