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RE: Some universal truths in different religions - 10/19/2009 3:01:03 PM

OrionTheWolf

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Gosh golly, thanks Orion for correcting me.

No problem, there are some that need it more than others.

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Just one question................a small point......................somewhat trivial I guess..............but why is it your beliefs are correct and those who disagree are just insecure and threatened and "bashing beliefs"?

Need that correcting again RML. Here is how it went; I offered to things from different religions that pretty much state the same thing. Looking across religious philosophies I have found it in many. So I asked if there were any others that people had come upon. I did not state a belief, and neither did you. Need me to do some more cut and paste for you?

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It would seem to me that those who cannot discuss the shortcomings in their beliefs are the ones insecure and threatened.

This is where you seem to have a reading comprehension issue. That is not what the OP was started for, but you did decide to use it for your own agenda. The biggest reasons for that is that someone feels threatened. See how that works?

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I guess my main disagreement is that you believe the universe had to have a point of creation.

Your psychic powers at work again, eh? I used a common phrase to express something in a general term. Now if you were to ask me, I would say that I am not sure whether the universe had a starting point or not. That is a seperate issue from my OP though.

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You make the argument that whatever created the universe "just is", so why is it illogical to assume the universe "just is"?

It is not but that was not what I was discussing. I was addressing how similar statements, morals or lessons can be found in different religions. Now if you want to discuss the above, I would be happy to contribute in a different topic.

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RE: Some universal truths in different religions - 10/19/2009 3:05:23 PM

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Do not murder?

Do not steal?

Not universal?

Do not murder?

Except of course it being allowed in circumstances that we deem socially appropriate, as in our duty to go to war for our country.

Killing an enemy within war is not seen as murder among many societies, or philosophies. Kirata addresses this well. Notice I did not use the word "kill", but specifically murder. So I see that you may well feel this is justification for murder. Duly noted.

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So it is not really a truth.

Maybe a half-truth?

A little white lie?

Your spin and justification eh? No it should be a truth that societies should uphold. There should be no unlawful termination of life.

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Do not steal. Hmmmm.

That seems to raise some questions about it being a universal truth as well.

Such as when, if you are in business, does profiting from your customers cross the line into exploiting your customers and into what could be interpreted as violating your "do not steal" universal truth.

But then we justify that through the concept of "let the buyer beware".

So how universal are these truths?

They are pretty universal to those of us that have a working moral.ethical compass.

Those that frequent these forums know exactly how you feel about lying though.

So did you have anything meaningful to add to the OP? Need me to copy and paste it for you? Or are you just trolling?

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RE: Some universal truths in different religions - 10/19/2009 8:03:45 PM

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Need that correcting again RML. Here is how it went; I offered two things from different religions that pretty much state the same thing. Looking across religious philosophies I have found it in many.

That doesn't exactly make them universal truths, more like common ideas.

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RE: Some universal truths in different religions - 10/19/2009 9:47:57 PM

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This is true, maybe the terminology wasn't the best, especially considering the forum I posted it in.

So any common ideas between religions anyone else has noticed? One's that seem to be for the good of humans and or society?

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Need that correcting again RML. Here is how it went; I offered two things from different religions that pretty much state the same thing. Looking across religious philosophies I have found it in many.

That doesn't exactly make them universal truths, more like common ideas.

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RE: Some universal truths in different religions - 10/20/2009 8:49:34 AM

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Prior to Christianity, it was "Do not unto others as you would have them do not unto you."

It does make a difference... some Christians proselytise to anyone they perceive as unbelievers, much to the "unbelievers" annoyance. But those Christians will consider this valid under the Golden Rule, since of course you would want to be saved from eternal damnation.

Now, consider if said Christians were to receive the same from Jews or Muslims. They'd probably take offense, saying that they were firm in their religious beliefs.

Under the second version, you wouldn't proselytise, because you wouldn't want folks trying to convert you.

Some.... some do... some dont... but we lump them all into the "do" pile because they may, regardless if they have.

No, I'm thinking of folks that I've known who consider acquaintances to be opportunities for witnessing first, instead of simply being a friend. They regard the Great Commission as the highest priority in any contact with "non-believers", as opposed to the Great Commandment.

In those cases "non-believers" may include non-fundamentalist Christians (sometimes even fundamentalists that aren't from the same organization), Jews, Buddhists, etc.

I ran into this a lot when I lived in San Diego.

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