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littlewonder -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 3:47:21 PM)

I don't play or fuck friends so I wouldn't and I'm hetero so I definitely wouldn't with a female friend.

How casual are you I guess? I personally can't because my emotions run too high and too out of control to do such a thing. I wouldn't feel comfortable at all.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 4:43:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TwistedHeart74

I'm not sure if this is where this goes, but here goes.

If you had a friend who was a masochist and they came to you and said "I just need to play, I need to get pain, I need a scene" or anything along those lines...would you do it? Would it in any way cause a conflict to your friendship?


*This is if you knew them and had maybe played with them in the past or were comfortable playing with them*


*grinz*
Since the shoe is on the other foot so to speak, yes I would and have talked with a sadistic dom friend of mine and asked the very same thing. We have played before, in a non sexual scene, and this hadn't affected our friendship and in way. Actually we have set up a play date in a couple weeks time just for this reason, that need to engage in a heavy pain play session is back and I'd rather ask one who I trust to push my pain limits safely and knows me enough to happily oblige my request.




slaveluci -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:16:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TwistedHeart74
If you had a friend who was a masochist and they came to you and said "I just need to play, I need to get pain, I need a scene" or anything along those lines...would you do it? Would it in any way cause a conflict to your friendship?

If I was a dominant/sadist, sure I'd help them out. I wouldn't see any conflict. But, I'm not a dominant or (much of a) sadist, so I don't see it happening...........luci




DarkSteven -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:19:42 PM)

I actually have a play date with an underspanked friend this weekend.  So, yes.




TwistedHeart74 -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:21:32 PM)

Bear, for me that is exactly the reason I'd play with a friend. He knows where my lines and limits are, he won't hesitate or flub the experience. I can say "I need to hurt" and he'll give me that, or "I need to be scared" and he'll give me that too.
Up until I was single, I didn't mix sex and play. That's rather new to me. But, I've found I like it *grin* Not that I'd have sex with everyone I played with, mind you.

With a best guy friend, the sex part didn't complicate things. Sometimes we just cuddled up, it helped with the skin hunger and that need. Try being snugly with a guy you're on a date with and 99% will automatically go to "Oooooooh gonna get laid" mode. Whereas with guy friend, he accepts the cuddles for what they are...cuddles.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:27:49 PM)

And the thing I found with me is I am able to separate the play aspect from the friendship. Even having a fuck bud, that situation serves it's own need for me and for them as we both are very clear that any emotional involvement is off limits and so far it is working.




aldompdx -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:45:03 PM)

I would help them feel pain, by denying their need.

The ultimate question is -- what is the full extent of real masochism? If pain provides fulfillment to a masochist, then a sadist would deny them all fulfillment by denying them pain. Thus, the best way to treat a masochist is with kindness and gentleness.




TwistedHeart74 -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 5:48:29 PM)

Ahh bet there is emotional pain and physical pain. Personally, masochistic me prefers the physical to the emotional. Denying me physical pain would not satisfy the need. It would simply send me somewhere else to get that need met :)




Enochian -> RE: The need (10/20/2009 6:06:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

She came.
I beat.
She cowered.

MasterJuliusCaesar


And here I though you were going to use the form:

"I beat.
She came.
She cowered."

>grin<

Regards....

~~~~~
"Do as thou will; shall be the Whole of the Law" - old dead guy




Viridana -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 12:48:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I would help them feel pain, by denying their need.

The ultimate question is -- what is the full extent of real masochism? If pain provides fulfillment to a masochist, then a sadist would deny them all fulfillment by denying them pain. Thus, the best way to treat a masochist is with kindness and gentleness.



That would apply if the person/s involved were emotional sadists/masochists.
I'm a pure physical masochist, which means that if you're gonna pull a stunt like that on me, I'd be quick to replace you.

But in between sessions I expect to be treated with kindness and gentleness.... you at least got that right [;)]




aldompdx -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 1:05:24 AM)

My answer did not assume psychological dissociation. The fallacy of contending that "need" for physical pain is separate from emotional pain is the deeper motive for self abuse, which is repressed emotional pain. Naturally, those who repress and deny their emotional pain will deny it exists as a motive.

Light always illuminates shadow. Find your light, illuminate your pain, and the dependence on physical pain as a repression mechanism will recede.




NormalOutside -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 1:58:41 AM)

I don't think exchanging pain, in and of itself, would be a problem between friends. To me it would be like asking to get your back scratched, neck rubbed, etc.




sirsholly -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 2:01:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TwistedHeart74

What is it about sex that seems to complicate a friendship? I mean who better to trust than a friend, someone you know? I'd think there'd be a sort of comfort in that.
My best friend is a guy. We have had sex. *shrugs* It didn't change anything between us, we're still best friends.
that is awesome, but rare, imho




allthatjaz -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 2:58:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Absolutely I would.  It would be the same as anytime I play with anyone casually.  There's no physical sex involved and it's strictly S/m.

I actually prefer friends for casual play encounters.  People that I already know so we can have good communication about the scene before and after.



I am with Lady Pact on this one, especially if this was a real masochist.
Masochists are a real treat for a sadist [:D]




TwistedHeart74 -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 8:16:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx

My answer did not assume psychological dissociation. The fallacy of contending that "need" for physical pain is separate from emotional pain is the deeper motive for self abuse, which is repressed emotional pain. Naturally, those who repress and deny their emotional pain will deny it exists as a motive.

Light always illuminates shadow. Find your light, illuminate your pain, and the dependence on physical pain as a repression mechanism will recede.



I don't use pain as a repression mechanism for emotional pain. I use pain as an outlet, a release. It is a need, it's also a want and a desire. When correctly given, pain is cleansing. Do I have emotional issues? Sure. Who doesn't? Pain is only one way I deal with things. I've also went to therapy (helped tremendously as the one I saw was lifestyle friendly and knowledgeable.). That taught me to ask for what I wanted and not feel guilt about doing so.
Are there times when my emotions are so strongly strung that I want to scream? Oh most definately. I am not given to outward displays, I don't cry, I don't scream, I don't throw fits. Using pain play gives me what I need to do that. On the flip side of that coin, that isn't the only reason I like it. Quite frankly it's a huge turn on. Given the right setting having someone tear into my back with a quirt or a dressage or a cat or any number of other sting type toys will make me writhe in orgasmic bliss.
I'm always very clear when I play with someone what it is I am wanting from the scene. Emotional release or orgasmic.




Viridana -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 9:20:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

My answer did not assume psychological dissociation. The fallacy of contending that "need" for physical pain is separate from emotional pain is the deeper motive for self abuse, which is repressed emotional pain. Naturally, those who repress and deny their emotional pain will deny it exists as a motive.

Light always illuminates shadow. Find your light, illuminate your pain, and the dependence on physical pain as a repression mechanism will recede.

Are you suggesting that the only reason for one would have need for, or crave, physical pain is because of some inner emotional pain?




CreativeDominant -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 1:30:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TwistedHeart74

I'm not sure if this is where this goes, but here goes.

If you had a friend who was a masochist and they came to you and said "I just need to play, I need to get pain, I need a scene" or anything along those lines...would you do it? Would it in any way cause a conflict to your friendship?


*This is if you knew them and had maybe played with them in the past or were comfortable playing with them*
For me, a lot would depend on just what is involved.  When my last submissive and I split, I remained single for purposes of self-exploration.  Though I've begun to explore again this last year, one of the things that I've always known about myself is my own ability to set sex aside, if need be. Yes, I've had casual sex and scenes and I've done it quite a bit through the years but I've reached a point where I want only myself in control of my encounters and so I don't indulge myself unless there is a very good reason for both myself and my partner and some clear understanding of those reasons.  I know that there are others who cite a need for one-on-one contact with no strings which fulfills the need for "skin/touch" but for me, skin need or orgasmic need or feel-my-cock-in-a-cunt/mouth/ass need are not at the top of my list of reasons.  That said...

If one of the submissive friends I have and who I've played with before comes to me and says "Sir, I need you to beat me in the way that you know...please control me in the way you wish for a weekend...please use me sexually", I would.  We've done it before, we both know where the boundaries are, I would be sure to update with her to see if she has any new boundaries in place (boyfriend who isn't D/s but is O.K. with her doing all that a weekend with me entails, new health issues, etc.). 

A new friend that has heard about the way I play or has seen me play and wants to experience it?  That would involve negotiation, including a laying-out of boundaries on both her side and mine and expectations as to what the scene would bring.  Since I have not played publicly for two years and have rarely played privately in those same two years, the need to make sure they knew all about what I like to do in play/scene situations is paramount as is my need to know what they like/don't like.

Either of the types of friends noted above who comes to me and says "I need to get fucked, Sir" would be sat down for a talk.  If that was all she wanted, then my answer would be "No". 

Either of the types of friends noted above who comes to me and says "I need to be beaten, Sir" might get a "yes", depending on what type of beating she wanted.

A submissive contacts me because of what she has seen on my profile and in my postings, likes my list of likes and dislikes and wants to meet for coffee and...if we are both interested...go on to play with no strings attached.  A D/s or top/bottom fuckbuddy arrangement of a casual nature.  While this is unlikely to happen...see my thread from awhile ago on who has the easier time finding partners for just this sort of casual encounter and which gender, for the most part, is interested in meeting someone new to form just such a "partnership"---let's say it did.  Within the boundaries set up...no strings, no expectations beyond what happens each time we get together, no emotional involvement other than friends, I might or I might not.  For me, it would depend more on the level of control involved during our encounters.  Besides the odds of this occurring, this is also my least likely of encounters that I might enter into because of the strict casuality that would have to be maintained.  With a known friend, many things are already known and expected.  With someone new, even with the boundaries set in place, there is always the chance that something can go wrong...from many angles.  I can't forget that it was one of these types of encounters that almost sent me to jail.

And on and on...each situation that comes up is different and is unique to the individuals involved.  I would say that if you don't want future problems coming up, then talk as much about what the two of you want from this and expect from this before you do this.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 2:24:17 PM)

As I think about this more and what motives and drives me is not to find a release for any emotional pain as I have other methods which I use to deal with that aspect. As I learn more about my capacity to enjoy and yes...endure greater levels of pain; one motivation is I want and need to find where my upper limits  are in pain play and secondly, it is a good way to assuage that inner craving or restlessness that emerges periodically between play sessions.
The few whom I have played with know that the sexual and emotional involvement will not happen, we both are clear from the onset that this is a session to fulfill a desire and a need to play; my need is to temporary soothe that desire/craving to experience pain sensations and the dom's need and desire to immerse themself into this type of energy we create. A secondary effect which I noticed is when I have engaged a heavy S&M session, is it's another method which puts me back into a deep submissive mindset long after the play session, it keeps me grounded.




DavanKael -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 2:32:01 PM)

While it isn't overtly sex to me (It would not increase my 'number'), it is sexual.  If thefriend were someone I would have sex with, yes.  If not, no. 
  Davan




DavanKael -> RE: The need (10/21/2009 2:40:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

My answer did not assume psychological dissociation. The fallacy of contending that "need" for physical pain is separate from emotional pain is the deeper motive for self abuse, which is repressed emotional pain. Naturally, those who repress and deny their emotional pain will deny it exists as a motive.

Light always illuminates shadow. Find your light, illuminate your pain, and the dependence on physical pain as a repression mechanism will recede.


I'm not sure I agree with you at all, from a psychological perspective.  Certainly, what you said can be true in some cases but not all. 
And the counter balance in your second paragraphis great but I don't think it's inherently an either-or proposition between the two.
  Davan




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