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ORIGINAL: GraciousLady

It is absolutly business as usual. You are quite right about that. My reason for bringing his race into this is based on what I saw and heard during the campaign. I heard more about how he was going to be our first black president and how he was going to be our first "hip" and "cool" president than I heard of his past preformances as a politician. Believe me, I am outspoken enough to tell you to your face I am a bigot if I was. I'm indicating what I believe to have been great flaw in how we picked this man as our president. The nation was focused on his race, not his policies or politice or expierence.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

They're doing a swell job. They really are.

The problem ? They don't work for us.

T

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

After years of everyone arguing about what can be done to relieve the high cost of health care, the HMOs did a hatchet job on the upcoming bill.  In retaliation, the Dems are scuttling a provision that makes the health care providers immune to antitrust actions.

WTF?!?!?!?  They are allowed to collude to keep prices high?!?!?!?  Doesn't anyone think that THAT might be a reason that the prices are high?

I have no idea what effect the bill itself will have on affordability, but removing the HMOs'a ability to collude oughta do something...

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Um folks... the thread is about health care and the costs thereof.  I find it unfortunate that noone in is pushing tort reform.  with a large percentage of every health care dollar ending up in the pocket of an attorney somewhere.  I dont have a problem with someone making a good living, but a guy with 7 years of college making $1000+ / hour while his client or clients that he is supposed to be acting in the best interest of based on the fiduciary relationship getting peanuts?   c'moooooooon folks.  it isnt about someone getting what they are owed for their pain and suffering.  It is ALL about lining the pockets of the attorneys.

Tort Reform Unlikely to Cut Health Care Costs

So far Republicans have mostly focused on tearing apart any reform with a role for the federal government, portraying it as the government dictating how long old people get to live. But an undercurrent of those complaints is the insistence of doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and ideological conservatives that medical malpractice claims are out of control and a leading cause of rising health care costs.

The health economists and independent legal experts who study the issue, however, don’t believe that’s true. They say that malpractice liability costs are a small fraction of the spiraling costs of the U.S. health care system, and that the medical errors that malpractice liability tries to prevent are themselves a huge cost– both to the injured patients and to the health care system as a whole.

“It’s really just a distraction,” said Tom Baker, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School and author of “The Medical Malpractice Myth.” “If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Obama was elected because he was black.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

like george bush should have been, or dwight eisenhower, or herbert hoover, or .....

and while we are at the half-black shit, remember he is also half-white.......all human as well.

so the half and half is gonna put him in a really fucked position vis a vis your racism shit, since all that is left for races is gonna be mongoloids, cause he got caucasoid and negroid covered pretty fuckin well......

Ron

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

like george bush should have been, or dwight eisenhower, or herbert hoover, or .....

and while we are at the half-black shit, remember he is also half-white.......all human as well.

so the half and half is gonna put him in a really fucked position vis a vis your racism shit, since all that is left for races is gonna be mongoloids, cause he got caucasoid and negroid covered pretty fuckin well......

Ron

If I had a clue what you were trying to say, Id respond.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Obama was elected because he was black.

You don't think thats true? If he weren't (half) black, a candidate with his lack of experience would have been laughed out of the primaries.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

it answered your post, lets talk about lack of experience.

george bush had experience doing what?
business failures
near bankrupting texas
avoiding military service
riding daddies coattails
leaving the republican party in texas full of infighting and cannibalizations
(hey read the papers and listen to the news)
and he is the ultimate worst president we have had
no experience to be president it seems

on to dwight eisenhower
a career military man who gave orders and people died (oh well we need folks like that)
played alot of golf.
had a vice president named Nixon (who---------NIXONIAN as was said)
didnt do anything to lift the country out of malaise
no experience to be president it seems

herbert hoover
the worst president until GWB came along
career in government as a paper pusher
didnt do anything to lift the country out of malaise
no experience to be president it seems



then lets talk about race.
you are talking about it on this and other threads and it was you that said half-black and I am pointing out that he is also half-white and a full human being

You said:
If he weren't (half) black, a candidate with his lack of experience would have been laughed out of the primaries.
/end

so, I wonder how his lack of experience is any different than any other first time president?
there aint much experience anywhere if you look around at who our presidents have been.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
I still dont get your point on race. It was Obama himself who in the primaries and in Ill. emphasized that he was half black.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
I still dont get your point on race. It was Obama himself who in the primaries and in Ill. emphasized that he was half black.

No, he did not. Obama rarely if ever discusses his race. Try and find any campaign ad he has ever run which emphasized his racial background.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

ROFL myself, I have read his 'books' and he does not ever use the term half-black, ever.

show me the line -------

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
And now we get to what really angers some of you.