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rulemylife -> Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 8:27:00 AM)
This is a good read for those who are convinced Republicans are going to retake Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012. GOP trembles at the angry tone of conservative activists Many top Republicans are growing worried that the party’s chances for reversing its electoral routs of 2006 and 2008 are being wounded by the flamboyant rhetoric and angry tone of conservative activists and media personalities, according to interviews with GOP officials and operatives. Congressional leaders talk in private of being boxed in by commentators such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh — figures who are wildly popular with the conservative base but wildly controversial among other parts of the electorate, and who have proven records of making life miserable for senators and House members critical of their views or influence. .......Allies of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) have detailed for POLITICO how the former GOP presidential nominee is dismayed with the direction of the party and put an unusual amount of time and effort into trying to push the party in a more centrist direction. All three figures are often irritants to establishment Republicans — but in this case, many Republicans said privately they were in agreement that they need to move beyond the hard-core right to succeed. But this critique goes to a major fault line within the party. Many activists believe the party lost because McCain failed to present a clear and genuine ideological contrast — and that the party abandoned principles through excessive spending during the Bush years. The debate means the argument over whether outspoken talk show hosts are reviving a beaten party or trashing its brand is likely to persist through the 2010 midterms and into the 2012 presidential primary. On the one hand, the GOP seems to be surging a bit as it sharpens its attacks. The party is doing better than it has in recent history when it comes to generic matchups for the 2010 midterms. Beck, other Fox News commentators and Breitbart are clearly landing some punches on Obama. Their efforts helped stoke turnout at the August town halls, forced the mainstream media and Obama himself to reckon with a scandal at ACORN and incendiary comments and led to the resignation of green jobs czar Van Jones. On the other hand, the party’s image more broadly remains in the dumps. An ABC News/Washington Post poll this week found that only 20 percent of those surveyed consider themselves Republicans. A larger study by the Pew Research Center this spring captured a similar trend: The share of independents in the electorate is the highest in 70 years (36 percent), while the share of voters who call themselves Republicans is the lowest in 30 years (23 percent, compared with 35 percent for Democrats). Republicans in Congress are even more unpopular than the very unpopular Democrats who are running the House and the Senate. This suggests something has to change for a true GOP resurgence to take place.

mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 9:34:52 AM)
well according to use, there is only 3 of em anyway, the conservatives should be able to strongarm them out. Ron

Hillwilliam -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 10:29:42 AM)
I said a looooooong time ago that Newt Gingrich (remember the guy that espoused "Family Values" and at the same time was serving his wife with divorce papers as she was in the hospital getting cancer treatments. And later, he admitted that he was having an affair at the same time. Along with the Rushter (Glen Beck was still drinking JD and smoking pot so he wasnt in this equation). Rember Rush. Mr "you agree with EVERYTHING I say or you are one of THEM." Those 2 people Cost Bob Dole the election because of their "My way or the Highway attitude". The last Republican that wholeheartedly embraced us centrist middle of the road folks was Ron Reagan and you know what happened there. He destroyed the Dems in the polls. The Dems learned rom that and tried hard to embrace those in the middle. I feel, however that lately, they are forgetting that starting when they elected Nancy Pelosi to the speakers position. Putting a hard-core left wing liberal in that position alienated a lot of folks. If the GOP would just tell Rush and Glen to STFU, I think the sheer gratitude of the middle of the road folks would carry them to victory for a long time to come. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that wont be true and we are in for a continued slide to the left

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 10:36:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam If the GOP would just tell Rush and Glen to STFU, I think the sheer gratitude of the middle of the road folks would carry them to victory for a long time to come. The GOP believes and does not just give lip service to the right to voice dissent. The day the GOP tells anyone to stfu is the day they actually do become irrelevant.

AnimusRex -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 10:46:42 AM)
The current thinking among the Tea Party is that people voted for Obama because John McCain was not conservative enough. This theory holds that ostracizing gays, shunning blacks, Hispanics and non-Christians is a winning strategy that will sweep them back into power. The stunning absurdity of this thought is part of what is causing despair among moderate conservatives like Andrew Sullivan, David Frum, Ross Douthat, and so forth.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 10:50:10 AM)
If you dont believe that the GOP leadership (national chairman, etc) DOESNT tell members of the party to STFU about certain issues and sometimes how to vote on an issue (whether it is best for that rep's constituents or not) you are one naive person. Our local state rep, who btw is speaker of the house, was stripped of his Republican credentials by the state party because he didnt vote the way he was instructed on a key issue. In the mean time, people like Blagogevich (D) who sold votes and seats and the Governor of South Carolina (R) who is an admitted adulteror and spent Fathers day in Argentina with his gf are still welcome to keep their respective party credentials. Why? because they do what they are told by those unelected people that are the ones that are REALLY in charge.

Sanity -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:05:54 AM)
Hiya Willbur. This post isn't directed at you, just fyi, its for the Democrats on here who relentlessly attack everyone whose political philosophy doesn't precisely match their own. You're right when you say that Republicans are tolerant of dissent. This horse shit where Liberals inside and outside of the White House insist on telling this group to shut up or that group to stop mailing out information about pending legislation, or telling the news media who they should or should not consider news outlets is anti Democratic. The whole "Democratic" party is becoming blatantly anti Democratic. If they don't like Glenn Beck, guess what? They don't have to listen to him! If they don't like Rush Limbaugh, they can just turn that little dial on their radio! Why do they have to insist that everyone marches in lockstep with them like this. Is their message so weak that it can't stand the test of debate? Apparently it is. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam If the GOP would just tell Rush and Glen to STFU, I think the sheer gratitude of the middle of the road folks would carry them to victory for a long time to come. The GOP believes and does not just give lip service to the right to voice dissent. The day the GOP tells anyone to stfu is the day they actually do become irrelevant.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:08:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The whole "Democratic" party is becoming blatantly anti Democratic. If they don't like Glenn Beck, guess what? They don't have to listen to him! If they don't like Rush Limbaugh, they can just turn that little dial on their radio! Why do they have to insist that everyone marches in lockstep with them like this. Thus the penchant for more correctly labeling them the "Democrat" party, since there is little that is democratic about their approach to governance.

Sanity -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:20:20 AM)
Some like to say that Obama is becoming very Nixonian with his growing enemies list, but I disagree. I'm pretty sure that Obama is carving out a legacy for himself that will make everyone forget the term, "Nixonian". quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The whole "Democratic" party is becoming blatantly anti Democratic. If they don't like Glenn Beck, guess what? They don't have to listen to him! If they don't like Rush Limbaugh, they can just turn that little dial on their radio! Why do they have to insist that everyone marches in lockstep with them like this. Thus the penchant for more correctly labeling them the "Democrat" party, since there is little that is democratic about their approach to governance.

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:23:31 AM)
Debate can only take place when disenting views are honestly open for debate.....with Rush and Beck there are a few ingredients missing.....honesty willingness and integrity . Debate is cool and hopefully at some point the Republican leadership will stumble on that fact.God knows we all need a break from the fear mongering and disinformation campaigns currently being employed by the GOP and its sycophants. The country itself will benifit immensley once we have 2 parties willing to "debate" and reach resolution...rathen than the one governing party and the one obstructionist part....as is currently in vogue

AnimusRex -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:28:11 AM)
Sanity- Well, perhaps the Republican Party is tolerant of dissent; But the Tea Party is emphatically not. Have you read any conservative blogs, such as RedState or Powerline or Michelle malkin where they bitterly attack moderates such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, even Newt Gingrich for not having conservative enough viewpoints? Have you been following the Congrssional race in NY-23, where the Republican nominee is being attacked by conservatives, who have promoted their own nominee? Did you hear the snarling comment directed at Joe Scarborough by Rush, who called him a "chickified moderate"? Have you been listening to what the conservative bloggers have to say about moderate conservative pundits like Sullivan, Douthat, McCardle, and Frum? There are probably a lot of adjectives you could use to describe the Tea Party conservatives. Tolerant is not one of them.

AnimusRex -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:31:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Some like to say that Obama is becoming very Nixonian with his growing enemies list, but I disagree. I'm pretty sure that Obama is carving out a legacy for himself that will make everyone forget the term, "Nixonian". What an odd world; Republicans using "Nixonian" as an epithet. I wonder if in 20 years future Republicans will sneer at someone and describe him as "Bushian".

Moonhead -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:39:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Sanity- Well, perhaps the Republican Party is tolerant of dissent; But the Tea Party is emphatically not. Have you read any conservative blogs, such as RedState or Powerline or Michelle malkin where they bitterly attack moderates such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, even Newt Gingrich for not having conservative enough viewpoints? Gingrich isn't conservative enough for these tonks? That's a puzzling thought: the lad makes Bush look like Jimmy Carter by comparison...

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:39:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Sanity- Well, perhaps the Republican Party is tolerant of dissent; But the Tea Party is emphatically not. Have you read any conservative blogs, such as RedState or Powerline or Michelle malkin where they bitterly attack moderates such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, even Newt Gingrich for not having conservative enough viewpoints? Have you been following the Congrssional race in NY-23, where the Republican nominee is being attacked by conservatives, who have promoted their own nominee? Did you hear the snarling comment directed at Joe Scarborough by Rush, who called him a "chickified moderate"? Have you been listening to what the conservative bloggers have to say about moderate conservative pundits like Sullivan, Douthat, McCardle, and Frum? There are probably a lot of adjectives you could use to describe the Tea Party conservatives. Tolerant is not one of them. Are they trying to keep anyone else from being heard? Are they playing the character assasination game? Disagreement is not intolerance. Vendettas and whiny attempts to isolate the largest cable news organization is.

mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:40:28 AM)
Uh, YEAH (to both)

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 11:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Uh, YEAH (to both) Since I don't read any of them, I can't say for sure, but I highly doubt it. got links?

DomKen -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:00:46 PM)
Trying to keep others from being heard: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/rep-mike-thompson-d-ca-town-hall-shouted-down-with-this-is-america-and-whats-wrong-with-profit.php Character assassination: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/lindsey-graham-faces-tea_n_319225.html

kdsub -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:07:03 PM)
They need another Bob Dole...he was a man and a conservative I could respect. Butch

mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:08:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Uh, YEAH (to both) Since I don't read any of them, I can't say for sure, but I highly doubt it. got links? my ie got hung and ken has got it, but look at your own Lindsay Graham's town hall videos

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Conservatives roar; Republicans tremble (10/22/2009 12:15:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Trying to keep others from being heard: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/rep-mike-thompson-d-ca-town-hall-shouted-down-with-this-is-america-and-whats-wrong-with-profit.php Character assassination: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/lindsey-graham-faces-tea_n_319225.html There is a difference between keeping others from being heard and trying to be heard yourself. The mo of the town hall meetings was to stifle any dissenting voices and you know it. There are no lies in the second link. If you want to equate saying someone has a "pact with the devil" with fabricating and disseminating lies, go ahead. Its just typical of your double standard.

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