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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 12:36:52 PM   
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the other was a twisted bitch- CreativeDominant


Hey! What's so wrong with being a twisted bitch? *sulking*
Now, now, now......there's the good kind of twisted bitch and then there's the kind that tells you that she wants you to beat you hard enough to leave marks and fuck her silly and then leave some more marks...the drops your toy bag by your head the next morning and tells you that you have 10 minutes to get out of there or you'll be sitting in a police car for assault.


I must be the good kind then, I would give you 20 minutes head start


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 1:03:46 PM   
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the other was a twisted bitch- CreativeDominant


Hey! What's so wrong with being a twisted bitch? *sulking*
Now, now, now......there's the good kind of twisted bitch and then there's the kind that tells you that she wants you to beat you hard enough to leave marks and fuck her silly and then leave some more marks...the drops your toy bag by your head the next morning and tells you that you have 10 minutes to get out of there or you'll be sitting in a police car for assault.


I must be the good kind then, I would give you 20 minutes head start

I gotcher 20...cum see.

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 1:19:48 PM   
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What makes a Master?  What makes a submissive?  A Master Doms...Tops...gives orders..right?   yeah, right? What makes you better then the submissive's you Top?    I will answer that question for you...."Nothing"
You only have a role to play and your role is not all that.....you/we are as only as powerful as we connect with. So..Master's/Doms/Tops?  what makes you ......ahem..a Master?    Listen all...this will be good.


What makes a Master? The same thing that make a boy a man and a girl a woman
What makes a submissive? Submissives are not cake mixes, you do not make them, they simply are, through genetics and enviorment
A Master Doms...Tops...gives orders..right? Wrong. A Master nutures, teaches, molds, protects and chershes. I have no idea what a top does or preceives themselves to be as neither myself or the one I master are one, it is of no interst to me.
What makes you better then the submissive's you Top? I will answer that question for you...."Nothing"
Since the Master is not a submissive and the submissive is not a Master, the point is simply moot
You only have a role to play and your role is not all that I would strongly urge you not to make statements that outside the scope of your knowledge. This is not now nor has it even been or ever will be, a role.
you/we are as only as powerful as we connect with. A wise Maser knows that his/her ability to master only goes as far as the submissives's willingness to submit
what makes you ......ahem..a Master? I believe this has already been answered

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 1:22:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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the other was a twisted bitch- CreativeDominant


Hey! What's so wrong with being a twisted bitch? *sulking*
Now, now, now......there's the good kind of twisted bitch and then there's the kind that tells you that she wants you to beat you hard enough to leave marks and fuck her silly and then leave some more marks...the drops your toy bag by your head the next morning and tells you that you have 10 minutes to get out of there or you'll be sitting in a police car for assault.


I must be the good kind then, I would give you 20 minutes head start

I gotcher 20...cum see.


Okay CD I'm on my way *scampers off to pack*


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 2:11:08 PM   
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What makes me a Master is being the owner of a slave. It is not a title, it is a form of address that my slave uses for myself, as well as she refers to males that follow the same philosophy as I, as Master, and females as Mistress.

Now to address something else in your blanket statement. I do not play a role, I am my properties owner. My property has electively surrendered her rights to me. This places me in the superior position in the relationship, the arbiter of everything that happens in her life. There is no contract, there was not any negotiation.

Finally the last segment. I do not gain power from my slave, in fact owning a slave has not a thing to do with how I live. I can live with or without a slave. If my slave for some reason wants to regain her rights, she knows where the door is. This has nothing to do with love, it has to do with the power exchange dynamic I am involved in. If I were slaveless, I would be the same man I am now.

Now what makes me better is that I am self determined, and utilize personal sovereignty, and my slave does not. There is nothing my slave does that I cannot do. This does not mean there is not an appreciation for the things she does, on the contrary, she is fully appreciated as valuable property. The philosophy I follow holds personal sovereignty and freedom above anything else, and to surrender that willingly is not something I would do. So the subjective term of "better" is determined by my ethics, and based on those ethics I am "better" than her. This does not mean she is worthless, inferior as a living creature, or something to be used and abused, it means that she is my property.

Now that you have gotten a straight forward answer, maybe you can answer something in return. What prompted such a posting in this area?


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ORIGINAL: IBused

What makes a Master?  What makes a submissive?  A Master Doms...Tops...gives orders..right?   yeah, right? What makes you better then the submissive's you Top?    I will answer that question for you...."Nothing"
You only have a role to play and your role is not all that.....you/we are as only as powerful as we connect with. So..Master's/Doms/Tops?  what makes you ......ahem..a Master?    Listen all...this will be good.


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 2:29:44 PM   
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Given my own internal battles with some of the things you implied in your post, OP, I just kind of had to respond. What makes my partner a master? His ability to completely own and possess every single thing about me. What makes me a submissive? My ability to surrender every single thing about me. Someone giving me orders makes them "better" than me? I don't think so. It makes me subordinate to that person, nothing more. These are not roles and it is not a game. This is who I am, my personality, needs, and preferences. The same holds for him. We just are. We're both nobody special, but we are both very special to each other. Can you even begin to grasp that?

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 3:10:54 PM   
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What makes a Master? 



That's easy... simply envision someone with traits that are the exact OPPOSITE of the dismal ones you've displayed here today; and there's your answer.
 
 

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 3:44:02 PM   
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i don't view her as less than in the sense you've mentioned. i think she's his prize in all honesty. the effigy he has crafted from a slab to something spectacular.


Interesting choice of words! I have BATS fantasies, perhaps that qualifies me... Nah, I'll save that one for my creepy thread. ;)

And I'lm joking again, I know what you mean by the term, despite the fact that Ministry's meaning is now running, nonstop, through my head. Should I thank you for that? :/

In regards to your meaning, my slavery goal is a little different. I want _him_ to be the effigy (in the good meaning of that word) and me to be the pedastal he stands on. I'm one of those people that hates the limelight, hates attention, is disomfited by high regard, so that's the place I feel most comfortable with: a scruffy sort of wooden pedastal with some of the varnish peeling, but nice and strong, can hold a 1k lb. dominant statue! :D

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 4:26:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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the other was a twisted bitch- CreativeDominant


Hey! What's so wrong with being a twisted bitch? *sulking*
Now, now, now......there's the good kind of twisted bitch and then there's the kind that tells you that she wants you to beat you hard enough to leave marks and fuck her silly and then leave some more marks...the drops your toy bag by your head the next morning and tells you that you have 10 minutes to get out of there or you'll be sitting in a police car for assault.


I must be the good kind then, I would give you 20 minutes head start

I gotcher 20...cum see.


Okay CD I'm on my way *scampers off to pack*

~begins to prepare "20"~

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 4:38:32 PM   
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And I'lm joking again, I know what you mean by the term, despite the fact that Ministry's meaning is now running, nonstop, through my head. Should I thank you for that? :/

In regards to your meaning, my slavery goal is a little different. I want _him_ to be the effigy (in the good meaning of that word) and me to be the pedastal he stands on. I'm one of those people that hates the limelight, hates attention, is disomfited by high regard, so that's the place I feel most comfortable with: a scruffy sort of wooden pedastal with some of the varnish peeling, but nice and strong, can hold a 1k lb. dominant statue! :D


of course i'm a caring girl! *laughs*

for me, making a decision of that nature would undermine His authority. it doesn't matter if i want to be in the limelight or feel most comfortable in the shadows. i'm His prize. He will display me in the manner He seems fitting. if i echoed that sentiment i'd probably be thrust into the spotlight because it is the very thing i don't want. i view my slavery as an opportunity to shed the things i find uncomfortable and sometimes that means drawing a deep breath and doing it for Him instead. as for the pedestal, none exist. life has a way of making things topple from their perch. but i understand your reference. now if he wants to apply a boot to me, who am i to resist?

porcelaine


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 6:30:17 PM   
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I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that not only do you like carol....it appears she defines your very existence.
For starters, I do not "like" Carol. I like vanilla ice-cream and living near the ocean. I "love" Carol and yes, in an awful lot of ways, she does in fact define my very existence. That fact that you cannot wrap your head around those ways, why they would be the way they are, or how they serve myself and my relationship really means pretty much nothing.

So out of curiosity, has passive-aggressive gone in fashion on gor nowadays?

I think I can save you a lot of trouble with me though. Nothing that Carol and I are doing even remotely resembles any standard of gorean behavior nor would either of us want it to. By gorean standards, I am not a master and she is not a slave. There ya go. You win at internet discussion boards.


Actually Jeff, Even when I first discovered Gor on the net and especially in forums, passive-aggressive attiotudes have bneen part and parcel of Gor or at least Gorean Masters. Some are normally down right rude too. Bull is pretty well mind and well mannered compared to some I know here or who were here. Terseness tends to be even more common too. Just something you learn to live with it ignore and move on with what your doing.



The love issue was fiercely debated on the Gor boards a while back. This is just a bit of fall-out.

It was not an issue resolved beyond people going their separate ways.

I don't recommend revisiting it.

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 7:34:46 PM   
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you keep missing the context of what this involves


I don't think I'm missing the context, I'm just in a different context because I'm not in BDSM lol

I wish you well,
anna

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 8:15:54 PM   
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I don't think I'm missing the context, I'm just in a different context because I'm not in BDSM lol

I wish you well,
anna


actually what i do doesn't fall under that either. how funny.

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RE: what makes a Master - 10/23/2009 11:54:09 PM   
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Listen all...this will be good.


In all fairness, he got this part right.

There have been a lot of threads on the definition of a Master.  What is the difference between that and a Dom.  Threads that have run for pages on end and squabbling about the definition on terms.

That didn't happen here.

Instead, people came here and put their terms up.  Leather, Gorean, Victorian Household, and those who didn't have a culture within a culture chimed in.  Each with a definition of their own making.  What works for them.

In this thread, I've seen more about what makes a Master than most of the noise that can be found in the nonsense.  I may not be the OP, but I would like to thank those who contributed to give excellent answers to the question.




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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 1:49:23 AM   
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Patience. Don't except a submissive to get everything right the first time, or the 50th time. Don't try to change a person who's never been in an M/s dynamic in to your perfect slave over night....or in a month....or even two months.  IF your expecting your slave to be perfect in the first YEAR, your expectations are too high. A perfect, sweet, yielding submissive does not happen over night. No matter how much she WANTS to be perfect for you, you can bet she will mess up, especially in the first year.

Dont push too hard, if she says no to something, no matter what it is, and she explains why respectfully, in accordance with her station to you, then let her be.

Again Patience.....she will not be perfect all the time. You need to be big enough to understand that.


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 7:53:06 AM   
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What makes a Master?

Patience. Don't except a submissive to get everything right the first time, or the 50th time. Don't try to change a person who's never been in an M/s dynamic in to your perfect slave over night....or in a month....or even two months.  IF your expecting your slave to be perfect in the first YEAR, your expectations are too high. A perfect, sweet, yielding submissive does not happen over night. No matter how much she WANTS to be perfect for you, you can bet she will mess up, especially in the first year.

Dont push too hard, if she says no to something, no matter what it is, and she explains why respectfully, in accordance with her station to you, then let her be.

Again Patience.....she will not be perfect all the time. You need to be big enough to understand that.



I agree...Patience is the key to a good or great Master


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 8:29:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IBused
Listen all...this will be good.


In all fairness, he got this part right.

There have been a lot of threads on the definition of a Master.  What is the difference between that and a Dom.  Threads that have run for pages on end and squabbling about the definition on terms.

That didn't happen here.

Instead, people came here and put their terms up.  Leather, Gorean, Victorian Household, and those who didn't have a culture within a culture chimed in.  Each with a definition of their own making.  What works for them.

In this thread, I've seen more about what makes a Master than most of the noise that can be found in the nonsense.  I may not be the OP, but I would like to thank those who contributed to give excellent answers to the question.





I agree. It's been very wonderful to see how we all can circle up when such attacks come our way. We may not all agree on the specifics, but we do know garbage when we hear it.

lovingpet


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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 8:36:50 AM   
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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 10:34:59 AM   
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RE: what makes a Master - 10/24/2009 10:37:40 AM   
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What makes a Master?

Patience. Don't except a submissive to get everything right the first time, or the 50th time. Don't try to change a person who's never been in an M/s dynamic in to your perfect slave over night....or in a month....or even two months.  IF your expecting your slave to be perfect in the first YEAR, your expectations are too high. A perfect, sweet, yielding submissive does not happen over night. No matter how much she WANTS to be perfect for you, you can bet she will mess up, especially in the first year.

Dont push too hard, if she says no to something, no matter what it is, and she explains why respectfully, in accordance with her station to you, then let her be.

Again Patience.....she will not be perfect all the time. You need to be big enough to understand that.


i disagree with this stance. although i do agree patience should exist on both sides. however, someone entering a M/s dynamic does so because she has an inherent need to defer to His will. which means that will often mean putting hers aside. furthermore, just because she provides what she deems a good reason why compliance is not possible, that is all that it is. He is not beholden to accept her claims and respond accordingly. He is the Master and she the subordinate.

as such, a girl should really do her homework beforehand. some are more patient and willing to allow someone to grow into the role. others expect adherence and obedience from the start. while i don't discount that situations can change and behaviors can be revealed as things unfold. i have found that dominants with exacting personalities are generally that way before the relationship is ever undertaken. i'm of the belief that sometimes the reality of what it means to yield isn't as pretty as the idea some might have going in. i don't think it has anything to do with the dominant being big enough to comprehend what cannot be done, but the submissive's willingness to accept that her desires will not always be met and having the fortitude to live with that even when doing so is upsetting and/or uncomfortable. He is the Boss. period.

porcelaine

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