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Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:15:33 AM   
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I've long thought it pretty obvious that our government is for sale. Now we have a price tag. Mayor Mike Blookberg, after totally disregarding the opinions of New Yorkers from not one but two referendums, has spent 85M of his own vast fortune, reported to be over 17B, to run a third term as Mayor of New York.

It seems to be working. Mayor Bloomberg's infusion of more of his own money into his campaign than was raised by his opponent in entirety, has paid off in a big polling lead. I know very well that campaign reform is a pipe dream, but if we're going to select our officials like this, why not just put the damn thing up on e-bay and have done with it?

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:23:36 AM   
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Simple solution,especially given the 2 referrendums....don't vote for Bloomberg come election day.


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:25:23 AM   
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Ssshhhhh. The economic mess New York State is in, Governor Paterson might just try eBay.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:30:17 AM   
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Geez, it went for a few trinkets originally... and I think it's gone way downhill since.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:33:22 AM   
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Geez, it went for a few trinkets originally... and I think it's gone way downhill since.


I wonder - did anyone think to save the receipt?


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:36:08 AM   
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Whats with all the shots at New York....jealousy is an ugly trait .

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:36:22 AM   
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Anybody got an inflation calculator going back to 1609?

Just wondering what that investment is really worth.

I wonder what John Jacob Astor would think now.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:42:23 AM   
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Whats with all the shots at New York....jealousy is an ugly trait .


mike, I like the wide open spaces.  I'm happy with my home in Colorado.  NYC is too much in too small a space for me.


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:45:52 AM   
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Whats with all the shots at New York....jealousy is an ugly trait .


mike, I like the wide open spaces.  I'm happy with my home in Colorado.  NYC is too much in too small a space for me.

"too much in too small a space" Millions of New Yorkers might just say that is why its the greatest city in the world.
To each his own I guess.....but every time I'm away for an extended period(happens way too often these days) the sky line as I cross the Varenzano lifts my spirits.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 11:55:43 AM   
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From a 1992 www.straightdope piece:

A STRAIGHT DOPE CLASSIC FROM CECIL'S STOREHOUSE OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE
How much would the $24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today's money?

July 31, 1992
Dear Cecil:

Since elementary school I have repeatedly heard the story of how Manhattan was bought from the Indians for a mere $24 worth of trinkets. Something about this has long troubled me. Assuming the value of the barter items was estimated at about the time of the famous transaction, shouldn't it be adjusted for all those years of inflation? Maybe Manhattan wasn't such a steal after all.

— Charles R. McNeill II, Washington, D.C.

Dear Charles:

Sometimes this job is too easy. In 1626 Peter Minuit bought Manhattan island from the local Indians for a load of cloth, beads, hatchets, and other odds and ends then worth 60 Dutch guilders. According to my Encyclopedia Britannica, 60 guilders in 1626 would buy you 1-1/2 pounds of silver. Naturally we assume this is troy weight, 12 ounces to the pound. Silver lately has been selling for a little more than a $4 per troy ounce.

Ergo--sorry, but a man in my position needs to say ergo once in a while--Minuit got the core of the Big A for $72 in today's money. (Lest you think the price of beads has increased remarkably slowly in the last 350 years, you should know that the $24 calculation was made in the 19th century.)

There are some who would contend that $72 or even $24 for Manhattan was not such a hot bargain. These people are mostly Republicans. But let's do a few calculations. According to the New York Public Library, the assessed value of taxable real estate in Manhattan for 1990-91 was $47 billion. Assuming the land alone accounts for 25 percent of this, land values have appreciated from a half cent per acre in 1626 to $827,000 per acre today, an increase of roughly 17 billion percent. Not bad, you are surely thinking, even by the stringent standards of the GOP.

But wait. I have a letter here from Andrew Johnston of NYC inquiring whether maybe the Louisiana Purchase ($15 million for a quarter of the country) wasn't a better bargain. Now, the Louisiana Purchase was not the best land deal the U.S. ever got. It cost 3 cents per acre in 1803 (5 cents when you figure in the interest), whereas Alaska cost 2 cents per acre in 1867. Just the same, it offers an interesting comparison.

According to Peter Wolf (Land in America, 1981), the total value of all land in the U.S. in 1975 was $1.3 trillion. Assuming an average annual appreciation of 5 percent per year, the land was worth $2.7 trillion as of 1991. The Louisiana Purchase accounts for about 23 percent of the present area of the U.S., so figure it's worth $618 billion, or about $1,160 an acre.

Having performed prodigious feats of calculation, we find that since 1803 the heartland of America has appreciated at an average annual rate of 5.5 percent per year, whereas since 1626 Manhattan has appreciated at an average annual rate of ... 5.3 percent. Conclusion: that dimbulb Minuit may have paid too much! Given the shaky assumptions behind some of the numbers above, I don't know that I'd go looking for an Indian asking for a refund. But compared to other historic U.S. land scams, Manhattan may not have been the steal everyone thinks.

THE PURCHASE OF MANHATTAN: WUZ WE ROBBED?

Dear Cecil:

As a followup to your discussion of whether or not Peter Minuit got a bargain when he paid only $24 worth of trinkets for Manhattan, there is one added factor. I grew up in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, New York. Named after the Canarsie Indians, it is the farthest point from Manhattan in Brooklyn.

When I was in high school, a history class published a research project in which they convincingly proved that Peter Minuit had purchased Manhattan from the Canarsie Indians. Since they did not live on Manhattan Island, it is unlikely that they had any ownership claim in the first place.

While $24 in trinkets might sound cheap for all of Manhattan, it is no bargain when you have paid it to a tribe that was just passing through. Rather than giving Mr. Minuit the bargain of the century, the Canarsie Indians may have actually sold him the proverbial Brooklyn Bridge. --Kevin W., Alexandria, Virginia

Dear Kevin:

I didn't mention this because I figured Peter Minuit had suffered enough, but now that you bring it up, I may as well pile on. One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for the records show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."

So OK, maybe Peter Minuit was no Donald Trump. (Then again, considering the current state of Mr. T.'s real estate empire, maybe he was.) But let's not be too quick to judge. The latest crop of New York historians has taken pains to point out that there is no evidence either the Dutch or the Indians believed they had robbed or been robbed by the other party to the deal.

— Cecil Adams

[So maybe Steven has the better investment? Don't ask me---I'm upstate, in the country!]

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:08:25 PM   
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"too much in too small a space" Millions of New Yorkers might just say that is why its the greatest city in the world.
To each his own I guess.....but every time I'm away for an extended period(happens way too often these days) the sky line as I cross the Varenzano lifts my spirits.
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I have to agree, Mike. I am one of those New Yorkers who can't help thinking that anyone who lives outside of New York is, on some level, kidding.


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:09:51 PM   
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New York,New York a place so great they had to name it twice......

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:18:26 PM   
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New York,New York a place so great they had to name it twice......


I always thought it was for pretty much the same reason that southerners tend to give their male children two names (Billy  Bob, Jerry Lee, etc.) - in case they forgot one.


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:30:33 PM   
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An obviously catty remark made by one who has the misfortune of not living in the worlds greatest city.....tsk tsk Panda....I have come to expect better from you.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:41:05 PM   
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I lived in that city for a year in my early years.  I hated the place.  Living, one person stacked on another, without ever seeing a horizon, and cages around the trees...  No thank you.

I'm ok with rich people financing their own campaigns.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:44:17 PM   
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"too much in too small a space" Millions of New Yorkers might just say that is why its the greatest city in the world.
To each his own I guess.....but every time I'm away for an extended period(happens way too often these days) the sky line as I cross the Varenzano lifts my spirits.
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I have to agree, Mike. I am one of those New Yorkers who can't help thinking that anyone who lives outside of New York is, on some level, kidding.



Everything positive about NYC reflects on its people and what they've created.  Central Park is the closest you can find to communing with nature.

In Colorado, we have mountains.  Big ones.  We climb them, ski them, camp in them, fish in them.

I have seen foxes half a block from my house, and have bunnies all over my yard.  And I live a half mile from a freeway exit.  I can take a train ride up Pikes Peak, and take in Seven Falls.  I see mule deer off the road every time I visit my CPA.

NYC has manmade things.  We have natural beauty here.


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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 12:49:07 PM   
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Not everyone can appreciate the treasure trove that is New York........some people are just born hicks.....now I'm not suggessting for a moment that Rich is a hick....but if all you have taken away from living in New York City(especially as a young man) that the trees are in cages......well, draw your own conclusions .

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 1:24:08 PM   
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Not everyone can appreciate the treasure trove that is New York........some people are just born hicks.....now I'm not suggessting for a moment that Rich is a hick....but if all you have taken away from living in New York City(especially as a young man) that the trees are in cages......well, draw your own conclusions .


My conclusion is that he has different personal values than you do. I like visiting New York, but it's impossible for me to imagine any reason at all to live there. For me, that choice would seem literally insane. I would detest living there. From what I know of Rich, I'm amazed he lasted a year. I wouldn't have made it a month, myself.

Yeah, there's a lot to New York, but if the things New York has to offer aren't the things you value, then you're not going to have much use for New York. I'm sitting here right now looking out my patio door, and all I can see is trees. No other houses, no other humans. 15 feet from the edge of the patio, the yard drops off into a deep wooded ravine, with a stream at the bottom. The door's open now, because it's a warm day. I can hear the waterfalls at the bottom of the ravine, about 80 yards away. There are 3 deer sneaking through the woods on the other side of the ravine, and this morning I watched a fox. I haven't seen the owl yet today, but I heard him last night (as I do every night, as well as the coyotes), and I did see 2 hawks a few hours ago perched in a dead tree. The turkeys left a few hours ago, but they'll be back to peck at their reflections in the patio door any time now, and I'll have to go drive them off again. I'm leaving in a few minutes to go hiking in that park, and then I'll come home and eat something before a quick 10-mile bike ride to Wisconsin. On a trail that starts pretty much in my backyard, and goes past nothing but cornfields and horse farms all the way to the border. Days that I don't feel like biking, I hike on the cliffs overlooking the river 10 miles away.

For all this, I pay 600 bucks a month in rent for a two-bedroom house with a fireplace, utilities included. There is nothing - nothing - in New York City that comes close to offering me anything approaching the happiness that surrounds me here. I don't care how good the pizza is, I don't care how many museums you have. You haven't got enough trees. If it works for you, more power to you - I'll never understand it, but more power to you. I wouldn't live there if my life depended on it, myself. I couldn't. 

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 1:47:05 PM   
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LOL...okay Panda I get it.....New Yorks charms aren't for everyone.....I do hope my post's extolling the virtues of New York are being taken in the spirit intended....totally tongue in cheek.

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RE: Buy New York for 85M - 10/24/2009 2:11:30 PM   
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I'll take the Midwest any day. My $220,000.00 house with inground pool would get me about 400 square feet of space in New York. Ive been there 4 times for short visits. You can keep it. It is still a lot better than LaLa land on the other coast though.

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