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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/1/2009 8:34:08 PM   
Rhodes85


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'Rhodes, what's with the 35-44 pound chickens?  Did you mean 3.4-4.4 pound chickens? '

No, that wasn't a typo. I meant 35-44 pound chickens. These things are big and I mean big. Though they do have a tendency to die easily from heart attacks or hot weather as they start getting that large. I can raise about 80 or so birds with the setup I have and on average lose about 6 from those factors. Theres also a large problem with them getting too heavy to support their own weight. I had three of them that ended up with broken legs simply because they were too heavy for their legs to support them.

'Rhodes...i raise chickens and want to know just what the hell you fed them. '

Sure thing. I buy them as day old chicks and start them off with basic medicated chick feed (and incidently that is the only medicated food I give them) I always ensure there is a constant supply of food at all times at this point. The key is to fatten them up as soon as possible. Once they start getting their feathers I move them into an enclosed coop for about two weeks and feed them a mix of 1/3 parts pure ground corn feed (unmedicated) and 2/3 parts high protein vegetable grain (also unmedicated) and no scraps or other foods at this point.  This lasts for about 1.5 to 2 weeks depending on how well they are growing. After that I open up the coop and have a caged outdoor run for them and I keep it planted yearly with tall grasses and clover for them when they first start eating greens. Once outside I switch their diet to 1/5 parts greens - mainly grasses, clover and a little wheat that grows all around my yard (its a 170 acre former farm so there is a limitless supply of grass and wheat for them), 2/5 parts pure ground corn feed (the same feed as before) and 2/5 parts of the vegetable grain feed. the grains are mixed evenly and fed in three large steel automac gravity fed feeders and is always kept topped off. The greens are given as what is in their run and what I gather up around the yard and throw into their run. I feed them this mix for about two weeks. By this time they'll be starting to fill out quite a bit. After two weeks of feeding I switch their food mix to 2/3 ground corn feed and 1/3 vegetable grain feed. I also at this point add another feeder in a sectioned off part of the indoor coop with a light that is left on 24 hours a day so they can (and will feed) off and on during the night. I also add a feeder to the outdoor coop and keep it topped off at all times. In addition to the outdoor feeder, during the day i'll take a few buckets of food and sprinkle it along the sides of the outdoor fence and around the entire ground. This is to get the birds to move around a bit while they eat and keep their meat as lean as possible, while also reducing the risk of them sitting there and dropping dead from eating till they die. I keep this setup till the late sixth or early seventh week, by which time they are quite filled out (around here farmers tell you to butcher them at about 5 weeks) but this is the crucial time if you are trying to get them as large as possible. At this point I switch their food mix to nothing but the ground corn mix in their feeders and a bucket or two of grain feed sprinkled outside on the ground to keep them moving and keep building up their protein. I also keep the lighting in the coop on 24 hours a day at this point. You want them to eat and eat and eat, and thats what they will be doing at this point. Keep their food topped off at all times, supplement their feed with as much greens as you can get your hands on (I also toss in whatever tomatoes, beans and apples I have, depending on the time of year) and let them eat as much of the corn mix as they can. By 8 to 8.5 (at the *most*) weeks they should be at least 30 pounds. But my average overall has been about 32 pounds or so, with a very good batch last year. Once they've reached that 8 week mark they should be ready to butcher. Around this time you will probably start to lose them to heart attacks, broken legs and related injuries. This is the sign that you've taken them as far as they're going to grow without dying off. Incidently the chickens that reached the 40 pound mark were all males. So try to get a decent mix of male and female chicks.

Also I have to point out that it is very very important that you take them to the 7 week mark and keep up their feeding. Even if you lose a couple. This is the period where their breasts start to develop and fill out. If you want good breast meat give them the time to develop. Yes you will probably lose a few but the rest will be larger and provide much better meat. You'll also get a decent sized (and very fatty) heart and a liver the size of a mans fist off of each one. Just keep in mind its nothing to go through up to 2 large bags of feed a day at the end.

So, follow that, starting off with a good, healthy batch of day old chickens and you shouldn't have any problem with getting them to the 30+ pound mark. A few things to watch out for though are heat - especially in the last couple weeks. This can kill them off real quick, as at this point their hearts are already in pretty bad shape (you'll understand if you get the butcher to save them for you) so be careful there. Also, on this diet they will drink massive amounts of water. I usually have to refill all their containers five to six times a day. Particularly toward butchering time.

I know, its alot of work and on average it costs me $700+ a batch in food. Though I do sell off most of the birds to cover some of that. The end result is more than worth it. I've seen turkeys that were smaller than most of my chickens. The meat is not stringy at all suprisingly, each bird has about 1/4+ inch of yellow fat under its skin and doesn't seem to be greasy at all after its cooked. Even the skin is far better than the store bought. I've noticed the gravy made with it is quite good too, even if I do make it with all of the fat added to it.

Overall its worth it to do at least once. You'll never find a better bird in any store. Hell everyone around here keeps bugging me about getting a few birds off me from each batch. Its nothing to get $50 a bird, at least around here.

Oh and i'm not sure if it makes any difference but the company I get my feed from is 'Shur-Gain' based out of Montreal. I don't know if theres any difference in the brand of feed used.

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 8:53:25 AM   
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I seen this vid where a guy has a potable fence- the chickens eat insects- it all is timed to the larvae.

he moved the pen in 4 quadrants.

the eggs and meat are said to be remarkable.

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 2:27:00 PM   
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Greetings,

Sorr but 40 pound chickens??? I have known chicken breeders and farmers in my life, and grew up on a few farms and well we never saw anything that big. Without proof I am not buying it. I asked a few people I know who work for chicken farms and the nearly laughed themselves silly when I showed them your post. They also want to see the proof. Sorr but it sounds like something from Snopes. If your method worked more people would be doing it and there would be something to find about it on the internet and after 5 hours searching I found nothing. I would love to be proved wrong in this fact, hell that could be one step closer to solving the world hunger problem

verity

The worlds largest/heaviest is the cornish x cross and it weighs in at 12 pounds at 10 weeks and at the age of 2 years old it has a weight of 20 pounds (this is the rooster). Or the White Sully that weighs in at 22 pounds at the heaviest. The Guiness Book of Records also list these two breeds among the heaviest in the world.

The Jersey Giant is among the heaviest and at the heaviest weighs 13 pounds (again the rooster). Just some facts that might prove interesting.

And the most reliable egg layer is an Australian breed called the Australorp an average of almost 310 eggs per 365 days.


Sorr still struggling to see how you got 40 pound birds, or an average of 32 pounds as you claim.



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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 6:20:22 PM   
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I still buy my geekable collection items but on ebay, one thingI bought for daddy was 35 dollars in a gaming store, and the exact same thing was 5 bucks on ebay, same with some beautiful fairy teddy bears I wanted, 3 from the shop I saw them in w*ould of been 34 dollars  1 and 18 and 18 a piece, an thens hipping an I got them for about 34 dollars all told, tax shipping and price and everything.

I look up the name of the item like Cthuhlu bust, 45" and then I find it on ebay and compare prices.

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 6:46:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CountrySong

Hi My EX was on SSI and we had a very tight budget so I know where you are coming from. Also as a kid my family went from upper middle class to below the poverty line. I'm currently planning on forming a BDSM co-op where we are self sufficient and I have several people on here who I regularily chat with about stuff like this. So here are my suggestions.
1) Start using the food bank. I have several freinds who do and they get some great food. For example - fresh salmon and cheese.
2) Get a freezer and learn to can. Stop letting the food you grow go to waist. Can it and freeze it.
3) Get a pressure cooker - no hassle beans and rice in 5 minutes.
4) Get a hunting and fishing license. Fishing on one weekend a month can feed a family of 4 while also providing recreation.
5) Network with nieghbors to get more land to grow food. A lot of people have space to grow food and would love some fresh food but have convinced themselves that they do not have time to garden. One lady I met has over 1/2 acre under cultivation in a 2 block radious of her home.
6) Look up urban foraging online. You need to be able to can or freeze what you forage. We can forage a lot of our food here.
7) Learn if you can grow meat rabbits and chickens in your area for meat.
8) Barter - you can trade something you can do or have to increase your food budget.
9) Look at casinos for eating out. I have a local casino were I can play 1cent and space my bets for two hours and get comped for the buffet or restaurant. I eat king crab about twice a week for less than three dollars in cost to me (2 dollars is the tip and my average loss is less than a dollar).
10) Get off your ass. Sorry if that offends you but it is general advice that I give out when people complain about money - especially those on fixed incomes like SSI. I know so many people in the disabled world who just want to complain about how hard life is and how tight budgets are. The reality is that they could live much more productive lifestyles - they have convinced themselves that they can't do things so that they do as little as possible and bum off of others or the state. I'm guilty of the same thing sometimes and yes I do have a disablity (2 actually) and deal with pain from them almost every day. It is a lot easier to plop down in front of a TV or computer than it is to get up and go foraging, gardening, or do work to barter with.
Just my 2 cents.
Peace


COUNTRY SONG, THAT WAS GREAT!  Please post more.

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 7:25:53 PM   
Rhodes85


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'Sorr but 40 pound chickens??? I have known chicken breeders and farmers in my life, and grew up on a few farms and well we never saw anything that big. Without proof I am not buying it. I asked a few people I know who work for chicken farms and the nearly laughed themselves silly when I showed them your post. They also want to see the proof. Sorr but it sounds like something from Snopes. If your method worked more people would be doing it and there would be something to find about it on the internet and after 5 hours searching I found nothing. I would love to be proved wrong in this fact, hell that could be one step closer to solving the world hunger problem '

I don't know what to tell you. First, in commercial production the chickens are killed at around 5 weeks at the most and are not fed nearly as much. They aren't given the chance to grow to their full potential size. The more you feed them, if you feed them properly, the larger they will get. One my my neighbors, who also raised chickens commercially when he was younger also laughed about it before he saw said chickens. I don't know what to tell you, but it does work. I couldn't say anything as to what you would find on the net about it. I didn't get anything off the net. A friend of mine in halifax who raised chickens at home most of his life told me what to feed them. I know I have a picture or two of them sitting around someplace. I'll look around and see if I can find them. 

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/2/2009 10:31:09 PM   
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Greetings,

The breeders breed them for shows and often took first place, the chicken would be weighed and such and a prize given, then they would be killed and prepared, the next prize rewarded and then the carcess was auctioned off at the end of the show...two of them showed at Australian Royal Shows (among the highest in Australia). And the farmers did not kill the birds at 5 weeks but at 6 to 7 weeks.

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/7/2009 6:37:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

wow that is awesome concept, i wonder if you can buy anonymously for people who are in need.  Its amazing that there are no restrictions etc of who can participate.  What great Christmas gifts for families in need.





I love the way you think and I think that program is awsome. As one of the few people who have in this economy I like to think of all the ways to give back too... it may be something good to look into. Even if you can only buy one a month thats 12 families a year that could be helped for only $30 a month...

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RE: Healthy grocery shopping on a budget of 100 dollars... - 11/7/2009 7:40:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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I have to agree with everyones views on chickens. Get them whole and cut them up yourself. You'll save a bunch. You could grow your own but its very time consuming and can be a bit expensive. Though on the plus side the last batch I grew here had no chickens less than 35 pounds after they were cleaned and feathered. The biggest one was just under 44 pounds. and this is chickens i'm talking about, not turkeys. You wouldn't believe how big they can get if you do it yourself. And they are absolutely worth the effort.
Rhodes...i raise chickens and want to know just what the hell you fed them.

As to the op cutting up a chicken. Honestly...i suggest cooking it first..then pulling it apart. Note where the joints separate, as this is the easiest area to cut when handling a raw chicken. To cut a raw chicken you need a very sharp knife and an experienced hand.
An inexperienced cook can do some serious damage to their fingers.



Another suggestion for cutting up chicken is to use an electric knife.  They are inexpensive and can also be used for other things.  But the work really well for cutting up a whole chicken. 


Pultry cutters are better, much better!!

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