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servantforuse -> H1N1 (10/25/2009 7:25:41 AM)
When will the Obama administration be held accountable for the swine flu debacle ? How in the world can the government run national health care when they can't even distribute a flu vaccine ? If Bush were still in office the left leaning media would be demanding answers. They are also silent on this matter.

DomKen -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 7:30:59 AM)
Private corporations make the flu vaccine and private corporations distribute the flu vaccine but shortages and distribution problems are somehow the fault of the government?

Louve00 -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 8:11:26 AM)
Not just what DK said, but we've been short on flu vaccines in past years and I don't recall people blaming it on Bush. C'mon now. If you want to complain about Obama, you can do better than that. [8\|]

Irishknight -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 8:32:33 AM)
I thought he was complaining more about the media's biased hatred. I'm curious. My father claims to have seen on tv that people were getting sick after taking the h1n1 vaccine. Anyone heard these claims from a credible source? My father sometimes watches less than credible things and he can't remember where he saw it. It sounds like a bunch of hooey to me.

DomImus -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 8:42:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 Not just what DK said, but we've been short on flu vaccines in past years and I don't recall people blaming it on Bush. C'mon now. If you want to complain about Obama, you can do better than that. [8\|] Yours and DK's comments would hold water if private corporations and Bush had been bucking to overhaul the health care system like Obama is.

rulemylife -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 9:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse When will the Obama administration be held accountable for the swine flu debacle ? How in the world can the government run national health care when they can't even distribute a flu vaccine ? If Bush were still in office the left leaning media would be demanding answers. They are also silent on this matter. You must be kidding. This is why I find conservatives so hilarious. The whole conservative media, bloggers, and even posters on here were complaining about Obama's declaration of a public health emergency and the use of $3 billion in stimulus funds for H1N1 research. It was an over-reaction to a small number of cases, it was throwing money at a non-existent problem. Now the same people who pissed and moaned about his early response to the problem are now pissing and moaning about the solution not coming quick enough. You do remember at the time there was no vaccine available and it was being argued there was no need that for type of investment based on a handful of cases? This was from the day after Obama declared it a public health emergency back in April: Glenn Beck's Latest Conspiracy Theory: Barack Obama and the Swine ... On his radio show today, Glenn Beck launched his latest conspiracy theory that President Obama is making a big deal out of nothing when it comes to the swine flu. Beck claimed that Obama is using the swine flu to get Kathleen Sebelius confirmed as Sec. of Health and Human Services. In a response to a caller’s paranoia about the swine flu state of emergency, Beck said, “I will tell you this there is only two ways to look at this…Our government is moving wildly fast. Unlike anything, I mean we did the research last night we went back to the AIDS epidemic all the way back looking at all the different things. They have never moved this quickly, so that could be because Barack Obama’s administration is so incredibly efficient, could be that they know that this is much worse than we think it is, or what was it Rahm Emanuel said Stu, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” Here is the conspiracy theory, “Do you realize that we don’t have any of the HHS people? Out of the 19 appointments he has appointed zero. This could be move to his Health and Human Services person into the office rapidly. She is supposed to go through more confirmation hearings today I think. She could be confirmed right out of the gate because of this swine flu, so don’t look over here, look at the swine flu, look at the swine flu, and she just goes right through the gate.”

Sanity -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 9:25:18 AM)
quote: First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1 President Obama's school age daughters have not been vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk. The Centers for Disease Control recommend that children ages 6 months through 18 years of age receive a vaccination against the H1N1 flu virus. At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain. The CDC also says a regular seasonal flu shot does not protect against the virus. http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/

sunshinemiss -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 9:44:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse When will the Obama administration be held accountable for the swine flu debacle ? How in the world can the government run national health care when they can't even distribute a flu vaccine ? If Bush were still in office the left leaning media would be demanding answers. They are also silent on this matter. You must be kidding. This is why I find conservatives so hilarious. The whole conservative media, bloggers, and even posters on here were complaining about Obama's declaration of a public health emergency and the use of $3 billion in stimulus funds for H1N1 research. It was an over-reaction to a small number of cases, it was throwing money at a non-existent problem. Now the same people who pissed and moaned about his early response to the problem are now pissing and moaning about the solution not coming quick enough. You do remember at the time there was no vaccine available and it was being argued there was no need that for type of investment based on a handful of cases? This was from the day after Obama declared it a public health emergency back in April: Glenn Beck's Latest Conspiracy Theory: Barack Obama and the Swine ... On his radio show today, Glenn Beck launched his latest conspiracy theory that President Obama is making a big deal out of nothing when it comes to the swine flu. Beck claimed that Obama is using the swine flu to get Kathleen Sebelius confirmed as Sec. of Health and Human Services. In a response to a caller’s paranoia about the swine flu state of emergency, Beck said, “I will tell you this there is only two ways to look at this…Our government is moving wildly fast. Unlike anything, I mean we did the research last night we went back to the AIDS epidemic all the way back looking at all the different things. They have never moved this quickly, so that could be because Barack Obama’s administration is so incredibly efficient, could be that they know that this is much worse than we think it is, or what was it Rahm Emanuel said Stu, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” Here is the conspiracy theory, “Do you realize that we don’t have any of the HHS people? Out of the 19 appointments he has appointed zero. This could be move to his Health and Human Services person into the office rapidly. She is supposed to go through more confirmation hearings today I think. She could be confirmed right out of the gate because of this swine flu, so don’t look over here, look at the swine flu, look at the swine flu, and she just goes right through the gate.” Thank you Rule... Exceptionally well expressed.

pahunkboy -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 10:10:28 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1K74Tnrrok Drs speak out against vaccine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gaxcrVRxY Watch Part 1 of 3 here as Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sheds light on the dark subject of Americas Doctor lying to the American people to accomplice "the mass killing of people for profit," that is, genocide

devilishpixie -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 11:31:41 AM)
My children's doctor suggested that they not take the vaccine so they aren't

DesFIP -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 1:46:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I thought he was complaining more about the media's biased hatred. I'm curious. My father claims to have seen on tv that people were getting sick after taking the h1n1 vaccine. Anyone heard these claims from a credible source? My father sometimes watches less than credible things and he can't remember where he saw it. It sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. People always complain they got sick after taking a flu vaccine. Coincidence. If you aren't allergic to eggs, you aren't allergic to the vaccine. You also shouldn't take it if you're already ill. Unfortunately frequently we have no symptoms while we are coming down with a cold, and if we then get the vaccine it can interfere with our ability to fight off the cold so the cold will be more severe than otherwise. But that is due to the fact that you're already infected not due to the vaccine. Flu vaccines use egg white to grow the vaccine so that's why the egg allergy.

angelikaJ -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 3:28:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I'm curious. My father claims to have seen on tv that people were getting sick after taking the h1n1 vaccine. Anyone heard these claims from a credible source? My father sometimes watches less than credible things and he can't remember where he saw it. It sounds like a bunch of hooey to me. There is a young woman who developed dystonia 10 days or so after getting the shot. Whether the flu shot is what caused it is unknown. Dystonia can be caused by quite a few medications. When the swine flu vaccine was given in the 70's there was a suggested correlation between it and an increase in the number of Guillain-Barre syndrome cases.

thornhappy -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 3:49:04 PM)
The problem is that dystonia can be caused by a variety of things, or even at random. The G-B link's come under some fire in the epedemiological circles lately. One of the biggest problems in health care is finding the difference between coincidence and causality. Like above, getting sick after a flu vaccine is almost always a coincidence.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 4:05:31 PM)
Agreed, thorny. We were told by this Infectious Disease doctor that G-B after a flu shot is exceedingly rare, far rarer than the media would have us believe. Plus the flu shot takes up to 14 day to become effective so if you get sick before then, you were unlucky enough to be exposed to the flu before the shot had time to become effective. Sick from the flu shot? No, the vaccine is made from FRAGMENTED flu virus, so no you cannot get the flu from the vaccine

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 5:40:42 PM)
Actually, it's not impossible for people who received the nasal spray H1N1 vaccine to develop a mild case of swine flu from the vaccine. The nasal spray uses a weakened, but still live, virus. That's why it's not recommended for anyone under 2, over 50, or with certain chronic conditions. Considering that the nasal spray was the first vaccine available, and for some time the only version being used, I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people across the country did, indeed, contract swine flu from the vaccine. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if they hadn't. But in most instances, it should be a very mild case.

servantforuse -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 5:59:46 PM)
Kathleen Sebelius ( after showing a reporter how to sneeze in his sleeve ) assured us all that sufficient vaccine would be available to all that needed it. Every State in the union is either out of it or short of it. Back to my original post. The government cannot even manage something like this. Do we really want them to take control of every hospital, clinic and dr. office in the country ? Not me/

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 6:10:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Kathleen Sebelius ( after showing a reporter how to sneeze in his sleeve ) assured us all that sufficient vaccine would be available to all that needed it. Every State in the union is either out of it or short of it. Back to my original post. The government cannot even manage something like this. Do we really want them to take control of every hospital, clinic and dr. office in the country ? Not me/ The issue isn't that the government managed it poorly, because as far as I know there was little or nothing they could have done to increase the capacity of the privately-owned facilities that produce vaccine. The issue is that they weren't honest about what to expect. This has nothing to do with administrative capabilities; it's solely a question of information management. Granted, that's bad enough in it's own right, but if you're going to complain about something, at least try to have a clear understanding of what you're complaining about, OK? Unless you want people to completely dismiss what you're saying.

aphotic -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 6:15:05 PM)
Swine flu is heavily overhyped by the media. I'm only saying this because I have a confirmed case, and it's only because I have a weak immune system from Celiac disease. It really sucks if you don't see someone, as it led to a respitory infection, but it's still very treatable by modern methods. I had an IV for a little bit because of the dehydration, and it got very hard to eat, but I'm alive thanks to gatorade and my juicer. But in regards to the OP, yes, let's blame politicians for a global pandemic. You know, if Obama would just take a break from shitting golden bricks, I'm sure he would aid in making those vaccines spawn faster in the eggs which must produce them. Sheesh, when will he got off his butt. /sigh

InvisibleBlack -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 6:25:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP People always complain they got sick after taking a flu vaccine. Coincidence. If you aren't allergic to eggs, you aren't allergic to the vaccine. You also shouldn't take it if you're already ill. Unfortunately frequently we have no symptoms while we are coming down with a cold, and if we then get the vaccine it can interfere with our ability to fight off the cold so the cold will be more severe than otherwise. But that is due to the fact that you're already infected not due to the vaccine. As I understand it, vaccines are made from dead or partial strains of a virus. This is done so that your body's immune system will start manufacturing antibodies and its defenses will be geared up for when you encounter an actual live strain of the virus. Sometimes, what are described as "effects of a virus" are actually responses of your body's immune system to combat the virus - so it's possible to get a vaccine and then display one or more "symptoms" which actually have nothing to do with the virus, per se, but everything to do with your immune system's reaction. My doctor and I had a long talk about flu shots and effects some time ago (you remember Asian Bird Flu or whatever they called it? back then...) and this was her explanation and it made sense to me.

thornhappy -> RE: H1N1 (10/25/2009 6:28:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Actually, it's not impossible for people who received the nasal spray H1N1 vaccine to develop a mild case of swine flu from the vaccine. The nasal spray uses a weakened, but still live, virus. That's why it's not recommended for anyone under 2, over 50, or with certain chronic conditions. The thing about the nasal spray is that's it is engineered to live in the nose and not the lungs (only survives in lower-temp environments). So you're exposed to just enough to get an immune response. It's the same way the seasonal flu's done.

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