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ORIGINAL: Mikado
Thanks for the answers...
How come that irish/native mix is a common mix? I never heard of that.
The Irish were the target of considerable discrimination at one point in American history, and minority cultures sometimes find common cause on an individual basis.
It was also apparently common for the Irish to make a living selling Indian handicrafts, hence the term, "Irish Indians", and they may or may not have had actual Indian blood, given that many Irish/Indian mixes exhibit distinctly Irish morphology.
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ORIGINAL: Mikado
I do admit that I have a crush for naturally strong women and for minority cultures, amongst them Natives one.
Actually, I don't consider this to be a sin, especially on this site.
But I can imagine that being interested in Natives in a BDSM way may be offending for vanilla natives, so I'd rather search on natives here rather than looking for natives in general and then asking them about their kinks.
As I say, the difference is largely based on the fact that what we might consider kink, being for them, relatively unremarkable behavior.
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Bay the way, if you could tell me where to find a Native bar in Paris, I'd be happy.
Can't help you there.
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But I posted this message because I did find Natives here some years ago, and the match between two of my centers of interests appeals to me. The fact that the polite (and, to me at least, very interesting) discussion I had with those who answered me did not lead to actual meeting results of the law of life, that not everybody you can talk to is the one you can live with, and does not prevent me to look for other people to exchange with (and possibly more, of course).
Native Americans are apparently a novelty in Europe, I know a guy who has become a very successful tattoo artist in Amsterdam, but I don't think it occurs to most NA's to travel to Europe where multiculturalism is more of a way of life.
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On another point, I really disagree with your statement that "BDSM is largely based on sexual power exchange, w/respect to the traditional patriarchal pattern of European civilization".
That's ONE form of BDSM, which is dominant on the scene, but not the exclusive pattern. The "amour courtois" scheme is another, and I'm really interested in understanding other ones. Much of BDSM is in many respects, pretty vanilla Judeo-Christian behavior historically, with an inquisitional twist - of course, it's branched out quite a bit, and it's no longer an exclusively male club, which is where it departs.
Courtly love was most developed among the Catharii, though it's in evidence throughout the Middle Ages, but it's really the flip side of objectification, i.e., the virgin/whore dichotomy, and that whole business is what I'm referring to in terms of BDSM's European roots - it's a dichotomy largely missing in traditional Native American culture from what I've seen: in the sense that they don't put women on a pedastal to start with, so there's no reason to knock them off it.
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For example, "they would heap about as much abuse on you as you would put up with, and by standing up for yourself, you could gain status" is probably a kind of relationship that would greatly fit me, as long as she's loyal. And it's not the way a standard caucasian would act in a relationship.
I don't know that that would work these days; I don't think they do that anymore, and I don't know that they miss it, it usually had to do with captives captured in war - as a general rule, they tend to be pretty independent in my experience, and you are just as likely, if not more, to end up on the recieving end.
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