RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"?

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mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:01:30 AM)
perhaps if we wrote to support, they could be convinced by reasoned argument that this is a good thing in the global kink community and especially for this site, to change the wording from african american to black, and we could get on with the real business of flaming and me soliciting blowjobs, and fat girl threads, yanno, the really meaningful shit. Ron

RCdc -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:05:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail we could get on with the real business of flaming and me soliciting blowjobs, and fat girl threads, yanno, the really meaningful shit. Ron And the tits, Ron. Ya forgot to mention the tits.[sm=flash.gif] the.dark.

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:06:07 AM)
Ah, come here my little darlings.........

RCdc -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:09:17 AM)
Little!!!!!!!!![sm=jaw.gif] That's the last thing they have every been called....[&:] the.dark.

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:12:26 AM)
I am a man of GARGANTUAN appetite.

Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:26:49 AM)
To a certain extent, I agree with you. But the impact and ramifications of race are what they are, in the United States and elsewhere. And, from a purely functional perspective, those race "boxes" can be helpful. If I'm looking for a black female submissive, for example, I can find one more easily on this site because she would have checked the "woman", "African-American" (hence, the OP), and "submissive" boxes. Otherwise, I just have to wade through a lot of profiles of people who are not what I'm not looking for, to find who I am looking for. FetLife doesn't have those boxes to check with respect to race, and you can't search on a racial criteria, as far as I know. Which might, on the face of it, seem enlightened, but I don't think that the fact that you don't check a racial "box" on FetLife affects the impact of race on people's choices on that site in the least. There's just as much racial bias, stereotyping and self-segregation on FetLife as there is anywhere else. The lack of the "race box" on that site just makes it harder to use race to search for what you're looking for, if that's what you want to do.

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:34:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan Which might, on the face of it, seem enlightened, but I don't think that the fact that you don't check a racial "box" on FetLife affects the impact of race on people's choices on that site in the least. Yeah, I am in the might category too. Seems to me that race is an issue, and permeates life, whether we wish it so or not, so it has to work for now in the life we live in today, differentiating the density of melanines. Sad but true. Ron

Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:50:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I'll read through later, but something occurred to me. Two things are fact : 1. Not all Black people come from Africa. 2. Not all White people come from Europe. I have proof of this in real life. I suggest just calling people what they want to be called. However options on a dropdown list are another story. They can't include everything. Should they ? Should they try even ? Since discrimination based on these criteria are now incorrest, what term should be used ? Spain and Hungary for example have people ranging from blond hair and blue eyes to the black as coal. How should they answer ? Similarly take the case of Palestinians and Jews living in Israel. Do they both answer Israeli ? Though they share "roots" way back, they have evolved into very different peoples. For year there was Czechoslovakia, two very different peoples in the same country. I know this has changed, but it is still the point. What about Iraqis ? Shiite, Sunni or <the other one> whatever. How do they answer ? Or is it more what they consider themselves ? T I understand your point and wouldn't argue with much of it. However, you are mixing apples and oranges. "Black" and "white" are racial designations. Spain (i.e., Spanish), Hungary (i.e., Hungarian), Israel (i.e., Israeli) and Iraqui are designations of nationality, not of race. One can be a black, white or "mixed race" Spaniard, for example. In the sense that you are using the terms, you are mixing racial identifications with nationalistic identifications.

Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:53:38 AM)
I presume that Collarme is using the designation "African American" as the equivalent of "black." And, in the United States, the terms are equivalent. However, as has been pointed out repeatedly, since this is, indeed, an international site, it would be better off using "black."

Blaakmaan -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 11:58:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark 'Other' is ok for people who aren't actively looking. People are going to have preferences on the colour of a persons skin or their ethnic make up, just like people prefere a certain hair colour or height. Doesn't make them necessarily racist - just because they have a preference. But unlike people like us or you, not everyone has the ability to put up a photograph. In that case, 'other' isn't going to help. Yeah I know that is what profiles are for... but it still seems a bit out there for me, being not from the USA. the.dark. Not to hijack this thead, but I recently participated in a long and heated online debate about whether a racial "preference" is on a par with a height preference, or on a par with a prejudice. Without getting into all that (again...), let me just say that it's far from clear to me that a person whose profile says "No Blacks," for example, is announcing a preference and not exercising a prejudice. Signing off...

kittinSol -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 12:27:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan To a certain extent, I agree with you. But the impact and ramifications of race are what they are, in the United States and elsewhere. The impact is self-perpetuated in the culture - you're right, we're not about to see the end of it, because many people are virulently attached to the 'ethnic box: checked'.

MasterSean69 -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 12:57:45 PM)
I agree with kittinSol, why do we even need boxes.... Why not just "AMERICAN"? Color just keeps Us separated.... Some took the Spanish word "Negro meaning Black" and found all the negative things possible and use it to Enslave people here in the Americas. I'll be EXCITED when those DAM BOXES are GONE!!!!!!

nubianmuscle -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 12:58:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan quote: ORIGINAL: nubianmuscle Honestly, I have sat back and watched your responses, rather bemused. IMO, you did seem to come off as the end all and be all of black opinion. If you are one of the few blacks/African Americans/Negroes/people of color on here that post you owe the rest of us the courtesy of making it clear that you are stating your opinion, not everyone else's. I personally believe the old saying, "What you call me is not as important as what I answer to." As an aside, I honestly am lost as opposed to what point you were trying to make as it seemed as if you were all over the place in your various responses. If your general opinion, is the appropriateness of what you are called, depends on the situation, that's fine. That's all you really had to state. I have been referred to as "colored" by older ladies from WV and taken no offense as I understood the context in which it was used and the backgrounds of those using it. At various times, I have also been referred to and refer to myself as black, African-American, man of color, etc. I believe the intent is more important than the actual word used. Now you don't have to be seen as the only one of "us" responding and posting to this thread. Happy now? [:)] Actually, I don't recall being unhappy. Aren't you like post #108 on this thread? You're kind of late to the party. So, while all of this semi-racist (and at times, explicitly racist) crap was being posted on this thread, you "sat back and watched, rather bemused," and now you post, and this is what you have to say? Damn! Now I think I'm feeling rather bemused myself! Next time, try jumping in when the water is hot. If you can take the heat. If not, stay bemused. Personally, I care BOTH what I am called AND what I answer to. And I think the question was what WE Black Americans choose to call ourselves, not what YOU answer to. We Black/African Americans/Black Americans/whatever-else-we-may-choose-to-call-ourselves claim the right to determine both what we are called, and what we answer to. Not my opinion. Just a fact. Like it or don't. And, finally, when the white posters on here start to state that they're not speaking for all white people, then I'll think about stating that I'm not speaking for all black people. Until then, I will trust that most people here have the good sense to at least know the obvious. But... So I guess your point is, since I didn't jump onto a post as quickly as you did, what I said is invalid? Disagreeing is fine and you even make valid points, but to state that I was "late to the party" as a reason to invalidate what I said is a weak argument at best. I may have been late to the party, but isn't the party still going on?

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 12:59:16 PM)
The english will take umbrage at your only allowing american, as will the natives of the great territory of Trinidad and Tobago. Ron

kittinSol -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:10:36 PM)
Nah... we won't give a shit.

porcelaine -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:37:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan Not to hijack this thead, but I recently participated in a long and heated online debate about whether a racial "preference" is on a par with a height preference, or on a par with a prejudice. Without getting into all that (again...), let me just say that it's far from clear to me that a person whose profile says "No Blacks," for example, is announcing a preference and not exercising a prejudice. interesting theory. though i wonder if your response would be the same if a person of color did the same? whether that person wanted someone of the same ethnicity or strictly dated outside their race instead. my personal vote is for preference and a profile like that wouldn't be offensive per se. i'd gather the individual was being upfront rather than politically correct. though admittedly i wouldn't put that on mine. porcelaine

devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:45:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan Not to hijack this thead, but I recently participated in a long and heated online debate about whether a racial "preference" is on a par with a height preference, or on a par with a prejudice. Without getting into all that (again...), let me just say that it's far from clear to me that a person whose profile says "No Blacks," for example, is announcing a preference and not exercising a prejudice. Signing off... In my opinion people can have personal preferences regarding race, in regards to who they get involved with. Myself personally I only date black men. That doesn't make me racist, it is no different than me prefering a man with a bald head.

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:50:24 PM)
So the new paradigm is (insofar as you are concerned at least): Black and Bald is Beautiful? LOL, Ron

devilishpixie -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:53:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail So the new paradigm is (insofar as you are concerned at least): Black and Bald is Beautiful? LOL, Ron Hell yes! Does that make me prejudice / racist?

mnottertail -> RE: Why not "Black" instead of "African Ameriican"? (10/28/2009 1:58:28 PM)
well sortof, my understanding is that 20% of men in their 20s and 30% of men in their 30s and 40% of men in their 40s and so on are balding.......so you are strictly looking at minorities of men for most of the time, and if you dont do women, thats a whole nother can of worms

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