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Lucienne -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 7:49:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Not to me it's not, because there's culture diferences sometimes between what whites have gone through and blacks have gone through and nature versus nurcher, And I know plenty of black people who's family would pitch a fit, and I maybe shallow for this but I don't want a relationship with someone who's family is going to be oppositional about our relationship because of race or culture differences.



I offer this correction with kindness...

Nurture.

Whose.




DrkJourney -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 7:51:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Sadly, you get people from both sides who take a very stern (ie violent) line towards mixed race couples.


This is very true. I was recently approached by a black woman who told me it was my fault that black women could not find a decent hard working black man. I was baffled.


WOW....so you're "the one"  everytime a black man approached this woman or any other black woman, your radar went off and you flew in like superman and stole him away??????   how selfish!!!!....LOL

You're a grown woman, and you have the right to make any decisions that you wisht that don't hurt others.  What people focusedon in this situation is that the woman was "black", so what? she started it...and there are ways to say something smart without involving race, and I would have.




devilishpixie -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 7:53:02 PM)

Toppingfrmbottom,
I know alot of families in all kinds of races that are vocal about who their family members marry or are in a relationship with. Black families don't have a monopoly on that.

DRH,
My exhusband was Chinesse and my last owner was Italian but over the past several years I simply find myself attracted to black men. It's not that I look at other men negatively.




Daddysredhead -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 7:56:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

DRH,
My exhusband was Chinesse and my last owner was Italian but over the past several years I simply find myself attracted to black men. It's not that I look at other men negatively.



*confuzzled*  I didn't think that I implied you did.  

I'm attracted to black men, too.  Actually, I'm attracted to "dark" men.  Dark hair, dark eyes, dark skin...  it's such a contrast to my own.  I find it very appealing.




devilishpixie -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 7:58:07 PM)

Oh I know you didn't girl and I know you of all people understand that attraction and by no means did I mean to insinuate you had said that or implied that




nubianmuscle -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:00:50 PM)

Well, pixie, I think you know my views on this but I guess I will make a comment. [:)]

Like most on here have said, preference does not automatically indicate racism. Most people like what they like, period. I've dated, literally, women from every major "racial" classification on the planet. I think that for someone just looking for happiness and compatability, race is not going to be the major deciding factor. You may have a proclivity to be attracted to certain physical features and for most, the natural inclination is probably going to be, intitially; for someone like you, but if that is all you have in common, that is a poor way to make relationship decisions.

By default, MOST, of my past relationships have either been with Latinas or white women. And I know that is simply a matter of the environment I am in. My best friend is Puerto Rican/Mexican and the area he lives and works in is predominately Spanish, so quite obviously, I was going to date who was at hand. As far as dating white women, we usually had some interests in common that outweighed any "racial" preference. With pixie and I, we are both geeks, pure and simple. We both like comic books, anime, cartoons, sci fi, fantasy, horror, Renn Fests, have issues with most organized religions, and we are both morbid and dark as hell. Hell, we even finish each other's sentences and she can tell what's on my mind even when we are not together. To me, that's going to weigh much more than the fact that she is "white". Plus, she is a cutie pie. [:D]




DarkSteven -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:02:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

Actually, I'm attracted to "dark" men.  Dark hair, dark eyes, dark skin...  it's such a contrast to my own.  I find it very appealing.


Yoo hoo!  DarkSteven here![sm=hello.gif]




DesFIP -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:04:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead
trashy menthol-smoking "Newport" whores anyway*  [:D] 


Hey, what's with the anti menthol shtick?
Now this is a prejudice I remember. I was a menthol smoker, and yes, Newport was my choice of brands. And every other cigarette smoker sneered at me because of it!

Which should go to show that no matter what you do, somebody else disapproves.




DesFIP -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:07:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie
This is very true. I was recently approached by a black woman who told me it was my fault that black women could not find a decent hard working black man. I was baffled.



Unfortunately it is a growing trend among middle class black American males to not date middle class black American females.

/www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/02701.htm




DrkJourney -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:13:32 PM)

As far as dating I never really had a preference, other than he approach me as a gentleman, and that he treat me with respect.

I don't tolerate racism from any race.  I know it's out there, trust me I deal with it on a daily basis, but I will not have it in my home.  I have members in my family that have this mentality and I spend limited time with these individuals.

I'll tell you what I mean.  When I was single I got the non black guys, that all they focused on was my race.  They had it in their nik, and it was about every other word in their emails, even when I asked politely that they not do that.   It's not a compliment.  I have made the statement time and time again you choose clothes by color, not your partner.

Then I get the black men, that think just because we are the same color that I "owe" it to them to date them.  The too mention race in about every other sentence.  Again, I'm not impressed.  They are rude and don't even remotely try to be nice, because I "have" to talk to them remember?   I had some tell me that I should be greatful that he is speaking to me, he could be talking to a white woman....knock yourself out babe.  So they went in the not interested bin just like the guys mentioned above.

I know people have their preferences, that's cool, but why do you have to mention it?  So I email a guy and instead of telling him how I read his profile and I think as two people we have a lot in common and would like to find out if we are compatible, I focus on the fact that oh I love guys with long hair.  When I saw your pic and saw the hair, I knew you were for me.   huh?   Does that make any sense?

When I was single that's the kind of email that I got guys of a lot of races.  They saw my pic and just because I was a certain color they just knew we were meant for each other.  Most are looking for a certain "hard" type, which I am not. 

I was even told by one, who kept his preferences to himself until that point, that I wasn't really "black".....really?   He said he didn't read my profile he saw my pic and he "thought" I was black.....what the hell does that mean?.....LOL  Again, something I've been hearing all my life.   I will never apologise for who I am or how I was raised....to me I think I'm just fine.

And no, I'm not going to buy into the same old story, well it's out there you just have to put up with it, all people are like that.  No, all people are not like that, I know a lot who aren't, they are the ones in my inner circle, and I found one to marry.  I had to wait a long time, but he finally rode in and swept me off my feet...lol 

Sorry for the ramble...I'm on allergy meds....lol




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:14:19 PM)

Thank you, I didn't catch that spelling error. and I suck so bad at normal spelling lol.


I'm kind of tired and cold.
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ORIGINAL: Lucienne



I offer this correction with kindness...

Nurture.

Whose.





Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:15:19 PM)

devilish, I'd avoid those people too:)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

Toppingfrmbottom,
I know alot of families in all kinds of races that are vocal about who their family members marry or are in a relationship with. Black families don't have a monopoly on that.

DRH,
My exhusband was Chinesse and my last owner was Italian but over the past several years I simply find myself attracted to black men. It's not that I look at other men negatively.





porcelaine -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:18:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

While many reasons offered for dating limitations present legitimate concerns, does having such concerns adequately answer the question of whether or not excluding particular races for any reason in any context amount to racism?

And are race-based dating limitations truly just preferences, or are they a smaller reflection of society's racist views in general?

Is dating strictly within your race the same as strictly dating outside your race or within another race? Why or why not?



i have the privilege of being aware of my family's diversity. i was raised in a particular fashion that makes it very easy for me to cross racial lines with ease. i recognize everyone has had different experiences and for some this is difficult. for me it is a preference, i like what i like and make no apology for such. that isn't to say i haven't dated within my race as well. but my background and experiences have shaped me in a manner that some find unappealing. i simply cannot handle certain behaviors and don't have an us versus them mentality. nor am i willing to listen to a diatribe about prejudice and the evils of those of other cultures. we all have issues and some choose to project them on other people. but sweeping generalizations of this nature irritate me and it is hard to be racist when my best friends are white.

i did have someone suggest that my parents are to blame for my ideologies and what he perceived as my european attitude and disconnection from my heritage. i find his comments representative of a mentality that some persons of color have about difference. it is expected that we all like certain things due to our skin hue. needless to say i've broken those stereotypes a million times over and leave some in quite a state. pigeonholing people or assuming their personality or tastes are a certain way due to ethnicity is ridiculous. there's always an exception to the rule and i'm living proof of it. there are some that view assimilation in a negative context, though they won't admit such in mixed company. persons like myself are typically seen this way.

when i relate to people i don't see color, i see individuals. i'm very at home in situations where i may be the only person of color in my surroundings. occurrences of this nature have been very commonplace in my life to the degree where i no longer notice them.  in respect to my relationships, i have a fairly defined look that i'm attracted to and i rarely deviate. race is akin to height, weight, background, etc. we each have different things that we find appealing and barring unexpected situations, many elect not to shake things up. i don't attribute the lack of change as racist at all.

porcelaine




DrkJourney -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:18:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: nubianmuscle

By default, MOST, of my past relationships have either been with Latinas or white women. And I know that is simply a matter of the environment I am in.


A point I forgot to put in my ramble...lol  I totally agree




porcelaine -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:27:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

This is very true. I was recently approached by a black woman who told me it was my fault that black women could not find a decent hard working black man. I was baffled.


she said that to you because you're not black. however, if you were and your partner was a different race the comment would not have been made. the issues between black women and men have nothing to do with interracial dating and everything to do with each deciding to explore their options. i have never understood the mentality that it is wrong for a black man to have anyone other than a black woman. well, actually i do and i'll say it.

"some believe" it is easier for black men to step outside of their race than black women. many in the latter category never do out of fear of rejection and the reality in some instances that she would never be more than his toy. when it came to settling down he would always choose one of his own. of course she won't tell you this. but that's really it in the nutshell. so it is a bit of jealousy coupled with fear that she is not at liberty to do what you have. in her mind her options are limited and every instance of interracial dating that she encounters reminds her of this.

my opinion differs, but it is colored by the fact i was a very exposed child and grew up surrounded by activities that crossed racial lines. there are many facets of black culture that were never part of my life. my parents and extended family felt it was more important to raise a cultured lady instead. consider the fact that they were extremely intellectual people and very conservative and a different picture is painted. while i can empathize for the sake of doing such, in some aspects i can't relate. the woman may be unaware that her remarks are offensive, but in her mind the statement makes sense. of course in mine it cannot, because that isn't the reality i've known.

porcelaine




nubianmuscle -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:30:28 PM)

I am trying to grasp the point you're making. If you are saying this "trend" is the reason for this woman's statement, it still makes no sense. She said it was women like pixie's fault that black women couldn't find any decent, hardworking, black men. pixie and I have tons of things in common, she supports me, believes in me, is always there for me and she shores up my weaknesses. In short, she complements me. I have generally found, in my experience, that women who make statements like that aren't anyone who would interest me; anyway, because they lack those qualities.
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie
This is very true. I was recently approached by a black woman who told me it was my fault that black women could not find a decent hard working black man. I was baffled.



Unfortunately it is a growing trend among middle class black American males to not date middle class black American females.

/www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/02701.htm





nubianmuscle -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:34:20 PM)

Thank you.
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: devilishpixie

This is very true. I was recently approached by a black woman who told me it was my fault that black women could not find a decent hard working black man. I was baffled.


she said that to you because you're not black. however, if you were and your partner was a different race the comment would not have been made. the issues between black women and men have nothing to do with interracial dating and everything to do with each deciding to explore their options. i have never understood the mentality that it is wrong for a black man to have anyone other than a black woman. well, actually i do and i'll say it.

"some believe" it is easier for black men to step outside of their race than black women. many in the latter category never do out of fear of rejection and the reality in some instances that she would never be more than his toy. when it came to settling down he would always choose one of his own. of course she won't tell you this. but that's really it in the nutshell. so it is a bit of jealousy coupled with fear that she is not at liberty to do what you have. in her mind her options are limited and every instance of interracial dating that she encounters reminds her of this.

my opinion differs, but it is colored by the fact i was a very exposed child and grew up surrounded by activities that crossed racial lines. there are many facets of black culture that were never part of my life. my parents and extended family felt it was more important to raise a cultured lady instead. consider the factor that they were extremely intellectual people and very conservative and a different picture is painted. while i can empathize for the sake of doing such, in some aspects i can't relate. the woman may be unaware that her remarks are offensive, but in her mind the statement makes sense. of course in mine it cannot, because that isn't the reality i've known.

porcelaine






porcelaine -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:36:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Unfortunately it is a growing trend among middle class black American males to not date middle class black American females.

/www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/02701.htm


among the mainstream perhaps. those born into the upper middle class typically affiliated with their own. there were always the jack and jill types that intentionally exposed their children to persons like themselves to ensure the likelihood they would settle down with a man of color rather than step outside of their race instead. for persons of this nature preserving heritage and tradition is paramount. they aren't newly middle class and many are quite moneyed in fact. i view them as class oriented with a racial preference. i don't see either in a negative vain. just merely individuals exercising choice instead.

porcelaine




DrkJourney -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 8:40:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

among the mainstream perhaps. those born into the upper middle class typically affiliated with their own. there were always the jack and jill types that intentionally exposed their children to persons like themselves to ensure the likelihood they would settle down with a man of color rather than step outside of their race instead. for persons of this nature preserving heritage and tradition is paramount. they aren't newly middle class and many are quite moneyed in fact. i view them as class oriented with a racial preference. i don't see either in a negative vain. just merely individuals exercising choice instead.

porcelaine



hoo boy, have I lived that life.  At least I only had to be a deb once, my sister was one twice???  (not sure the reasoning behind that one...lol)





ShadowsLap -> RE: The impact of racial preferences in dating... (10/28/2009 9:32:39 PM)

I must agree with there being A LOT of truth in the fact that we are products of our environment and attracted to those who share those things that make us comfortable.  I did not grow up in a traditional black family in a historically black neighborhood entrenched in the black culture.  Therefore, my first instinct is not to look for a black man.  My FIRST instinct is to look for someone I'm attracted to, who shares my interests and who is attracted to me. 

Unfortunately, those I'm attracted to are not attracted to me - or I'm not attractive to them (I don't know which).  IMO, knowing what characteristics of a potential mate are attractive to you puts you ahead of many out here who are trying to find someone ... and they really don't know who/what they are looking for.  If knowing your own mind makes one racist, then I guess I'm guilty.  But then again ... who gave anyone the right to judge you, me ... or anyone else?  [8|]

SL




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