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15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 8:37:36 AM

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/29/AR2009102904474.html?hpid=artslot

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 9:49:25 AM

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15?

Seems like she can not manage her life.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 10:06:28 AM

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After reading the article, it would seem to me her only "masters" were lust, irresponsibility, immaturity and a touch of mental illness. Seems she was in control of all she did, for good or bad.................luci

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 10:16:53 AM

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I admit that while reading that article I found myself seriously wondering about her mental stability. Then I had to sharply remind myself that though I may consider her actions from years ago to be wrong, I also have to remind myself that I am not a woman and I have no right to condemn her right as a woman to have control over her body.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 10:33:50 AM

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FR, after read thru

As a feminist & an abortion-rights supporter (part of an avid belief in contraception), the story had me cringing. She's not doin' either of those any favors . .. ..

I read it as much as a stunning indictment of the deficiencies of our sex ed for the young as anything else . .. . Well, that & the mental-health-care system . . . .

Um, also, drama queen comes to mind. Whether she wanted to be one or not . .. . . .

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 11:00:37 AM

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This was a gem here:

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Robin Morgan, a feminist author who wrote the foreword to Vilar's book, says "consensuality is impossible in that situation because of the power imbalance."

You hear that subby ladies? Your ability to consent has been wiped away by Robin Morgan because of the power imbalances in your (would-be/) relationships.

If women fancy being portrayed as emotional and intellectual imbeciles, ripe for manipulation because they have no scruples or cannot come to responsible grips with the decisions they make without playing the victim card and blaming the big bad boys in their history, this is the story for you!

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 11:06:47 AM

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I can only imagine the kid- what he/she will be like. Pondering about his siblings.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 11:15:03 AM

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I can only imagine the kid- what he/she will be like. Pondering about his siblings.

If she is raised to look upon her mother's actions with that moral, emotional tint/view, then she'll likely end up having issues. Whether it more becomes the past acts of her mother or such a worldview itself that actually does more of the "issue" damage is an entirely different question...

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 11:44:14 AM

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Potty,

thank you for sharing the article. i'm truly at a loss for words. the mere idea of inflicting that much self abuse is hard to fathom. i'm amazed she was able to carry the child when one considers the amount of scar tissue she would have accumulated having that many procedures. on the other hand, her mental state is indicative that she would have been unfit to care for the child in question. i was left feeling somewhat ill and truly saddened that her demons took her down a perilous road. it is a mind numbing tale to say the least.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 12:52:22 PM

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15 year old student mind fucked by a 50 year old "Master".
No wonder she's emotionally "confused". I still question her sanity to this day.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 12:59:54 PM

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Ok, I've only read the first page of the article. I don't care if it's a family name, what kind of idiot names their daughter "Lolita"?

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:09:08 PM

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I also have to remind myself that I am not a woman and I have no right to condemn her right as a woman to have control over her body.

Yeah, I don't "condemn her right as a woman to have control over her body." If I "condemn" anything, it's blaming what she did on a "master" who didn't appear to be that at all. She chose to do what she did and I feel she should take responsibility for that, for better or worse. No one - "master" or no - made her have 15 abortions. That's her choice...........luci

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:14:01 PM

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This was a gem here:

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Robin Morgan, a feminist author who wrote the foreword to Vilar's book, says "consensuality is impossible in that situation because of the power imbalance."

You hear that subby ladies? Your ability to consent has been wiped away by Robin Morgan because of the power imbalances in your (would-be/) relationships.

If women fancy being portrayed as emotional and intellectual imbeciles, ripe for manipulation because they have no scruples or cannot come to responsible grips with the decisions they make without playing the victim card and blaming the big bad boys in their history, this is the story for you!

I may have misread it but I understood the context to be the fact that she was much younger and it was a professor/student relationship.
She was referring to the latter in what you quoted.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:21:00 PM

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15 year old student mind fucked by a 50 year old "Master".

From the article:

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She was 16 and he was 50, Vilar writes, when she unbuttoned her blouse to reveal her cleavage before visiting him in his office.

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"You are a seducer," Vilar remembers him saying. And he was right...

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"the more of a wolf he became, the more I wished I could be a lamb."

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"I recruited him," Vilar says, when elaborating recently on her book. "I staged a drama and I chose him."

It sounds more like a teenager mind-fucking herself and then choosing to partake in ritual abortions to keep a man who didn't want children.

If her relationships had been with a 22 year-old, the story would be the same but there would be no news-worthy emotional victimization element.

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She dreads being labeled a coward, and somehow he persuades her, by her account, that becoming a mother would be a cowardly act that would compromise her artistic bona fides.

And she, as an adult, chose to swallow that persuasion. She wasn't a victim, she was a volunteer.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:25:29 PM

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It sounds more like a teenager mind-fucking herself and then choosing to partake in ritual abortions to keep a man who didn't want children.

If her relationships had been with a 22 year-old, the story would be the same but there would be no news-worthy emotional victimization element.

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And she, as an adult, chose to swallow that persuasion. She wasn't a victim, she was a volunteer.

Give that man some points!

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:28:22 PM

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I may have misread it but I understood the context to be the fact that she was much younger and it was a professor/student relationship.
She was referring to the latter in what you quoted.

Correct. But how that is applied makes no sense. Whether it's professional or personal, a mentor/tutor dynamic doesn't nullify consent. She's trying to make the argument that, somehow, his professional role over her trumped her ability to consent, thereby making it unreal...in which case there are an awful lot of relationships on here that would fall under that same victimization category.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 1:34:38 PM

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I have heard of abortion fetish before and there is even a thread about it over on fetlife. I am pretty open minded when it comes to such things, but I just can't wrap my mind around this one. I don't know if she ever considered it a fetish or if it was strictly self harm or other such concepts. It matters little to me. I don' think this was a lack of sex education. I don't think this has a fig to do with controling her own body. Controlling her own body means shutting her damned legs if an abortion is going to be the end result. It isn't as though she didn't know going in after the first pregnancy what was going to happen. She made a conscious choice.

I am going to state clearly that the age difference and power structure doesn't bother me in the least. I think that really has more to do with cultural bias than reality. I know. I'm treading awfully close to the tos, but I don't buy the childlike nature of a teenager. I will only state that the behavior was illegal on his part and was wrong to that extent. The added bonus of repeated abortions just adds to the grand prize had he ever had charges brought. My question about this "master" is if he was even remotely considering the health and safety of his property. I know some don't and the submissive likes it that way, but it is not the standard by any means. I will not question their dynamic, but I have my doubts about it being a healthy one. Then again, not everyone wants healthy.

I really don't care about the bdsm overtones. I am more concerned with the utter lack of self control. I know she is now coming out about all this because she feels like she is on the other side of it all now, but I don't see a fantastic shift in thinking. That is scary to no end now that she has others following her example and mentality. It is truly sad.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 2:01:11 PM

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I think im far too cynical. The plot would sell alot of books.

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 2:11:09 PM

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I don't think that man deserves the title of Master

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RE: 15 abortions for "Master" - 10/30/2009 2:33:26 PM

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I also have to remind myself that I am not a woman and I have no right to condemn her right as a woman to have control over her body.

Yeah, I don't "condemn her right as a woman to have control over her body." If I "condemn" anything, it's blaming what she did on a "master" who didn't appear to be that at all. She chose to do what she did and I feel she should take responsibility for that, for better or worse. No one - "master" or no - made her have 15 abortions. That's her choice...........luci

Please....I was not intending to say you or anyone else was condemning the woman in the article! Just simply stated that as a male...I have no right indicating any woman should or shouldn't be allowed to do (x) with her body.

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