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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 8:38:14 AM   
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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 8:40:23 AM   
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Look, if you don't like discussing politics, if you'd rather just discuss politic, ignore my posts or go to the MSNBC website, or HuffPo, or DailyKOS.

Its really that easy.






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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 8:41:13 AM   
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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 8:41:32 AM   
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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 8:47:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love discussing issues.  NOT everything needs to come down to a Them vs Us kind of argument, which is what you do at every chance.

But you are right.  I will ignore you when you go off into your "republicans are the saviors" mode.



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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 9:02:05 AM   
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You and the president will never tire of constantly attacking the messenger because thats the only defense Democrats can possibly come up with for their radical culture of corruption. Hope and Change has become silence the critics...
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No one is trying to silence you. We just wish you'd come up with something sensible to say. Let me put it to a straight forward question. Do you believe that the corruption among democratic politicians has shown to be greater than the corruption shown by the republican politicians? If so, say so and be prepared to defend that point of view. Will you answer a straight forward question or will you not?


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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 9:02:54 AM   
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Look, 6000






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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 9:09:13 AM   
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Hmm... all this begs the question... were all the militant anti-partisans when Bush was president...
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No one cares if you are partisan, Sanity. Just come out and say "I am never going to approve of anything a democrat does no matter what they do. I will not be happy until the president and every member of congress and senate is republican" and we'll be happy to let you go on ranting as you like.
Pretending that you are in some way reacting to what was said about Bush or in any way justified in doing so is the basest of bullshit.


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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 9:16:38 AM   
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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 9:27:12 AM   
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No one cares if you are partisan, Sanity. Just come out and say "I am never going to approve of anything a democrat does no matter what they do. I will not be happy until the president and every member of congress and senate is republican" and we'll be happy to let you go on ranting as you like.
Pretending that you are in some way reacting to what was said about Bush or in any way justified in doing so is the basest of bullshit.




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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 10:41:18 AM   
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Are we not forced to buy car insurance?  Are we not forced to buy homeowners insurance? 


Auto liability insurance (the only part you are forced to buy) is for the protection of others, not yourself. Homeowners insurance is to protect lenders, not yourself. Health insurance is personal, period.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 10:44:57 AM   
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No one is trying to silence you. We just wish you'd come up with something sensible to say. Let me put it to a straight forward question. Do you believe that the corruption among democratic politicians has shown to be greater than the corruption shown by the republican politicians? If so, say so and be prepared to defend that point of view. Will you answer a straight forward question or will you not?




Without a doubt it is greather amongst Dems in NJ and Ill, the two worst examples on the state level. And on the Federal level, if you look at this investigation, its about 7:1 D:R. Thats a good start.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 11:59:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are we not forced to buy car insurance?  Are we not forced to buy homeowners insurance? 


Auto liability insurance (the only part you are forced to buy) is for the protection of others, not yourself. Homeowners insurance is to protect lenders, not yourself. Health insurance is personal, period.



The personal insurance is, among other things, to prevent health care for the rest of us from going up.  After all, that is why it was proposed.

And, as i have said before, i have no issue with being told i have to have affordable health care.  10% of my income is not affordable.  It only takes one disease to lose all you have.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 12:03:35 PM   
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Without a doubt it is greather amongst Dems in NJ and Ill, the two worst examples on the state level. And on the Federal level, if you look at this investigation, its about 7:1 D:R. Thats a good start.



And if it were 7 to 1 republican, I can hear the cries now of how you're republican representatives are being picked on. Let's look back at the corruption based on the party in power. I think you'll find it roughly equivalent. In New York, for example, where the republicans have been in the majority for many years, the republican corruption is greater. But keep seeing it as a partisan problem rather than as a systemic one. It's the best aid you can give to the crooks.



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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 12:45:21 PM   
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Look, 6000



6,000 posts all with the same theme......consistency is an admirable trait...obstinancy is not.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 12:49:07 PM   
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Are we not forced to buy car insurance?  Are we not forced to buy homeowners insurance? 


Auto liability insurance (the only part you are forced to buy) is for the protection of others, not yourself. Homeowners insurance is to protect lenders, not yourself. Health insurance is personal, period.

Actually Willbeur in this case health insurance as an obligation serves two purposes....the first as you state is personal....the second is to protect others from having to foot the bills of the uninsured once they get sick......which being human is as inevitable as death itself.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 2:08:56 PM   
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Now then, you cannot compare health insurance to car insurance, or home owners insurance. They are structured differently, purchased differently, and the laws applied differently. Maybe if medical costs were actually addressed, medical insurance would not cost so much, and then forcing people via threat of fine may not be so bad. I feel that people should reap what they sew, which means that if they do not have insurance, but could afford it, then they pay cash or are not seen.

The solution is not to force people to pay insurance companies money, or be fined by the government. I mean that is basically forcing a "tax" on just living. The solution is to fix the medical cost problems so that insurance or cash can pay for things. As it is now, I pay cash and file the insurance afterwards, it is cheaper that way, so people should look into why it is cheaper. Also, get the Doctor's out of making profit on financial interests in the hospitals that they treat in, as it is a conflict of interest.

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Actually Willbeur in this case health insurance as an obligation serves two purposes....the first as you state is personal....the second is to protect others from having to foot the bills of the uninsured once they get sick......which being human is as inevitable as death itself.


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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 2:12:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		My latest understanding is that the "fines" would be applied only to those of higher income brackets (75,000 i believe) and that most small businesses would be exempt.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 2:22:31 PM   
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both parties come with good and bad. 


"Good"! What good have they done for us?

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 10/31/2009 2:24:07 PM   
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My latest understanding is that the "fines" would be applied only to those of higher income brackets (75,000 i believe) and that most small businesses would be exempt.


Can you get the page numbers of the bill that suggests all this please. Thank you!

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