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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 9:04:36 AM   
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Without a doubt it is greather amongst Dems in NJ and Ill, the two worst examples on the state level. And on the Federal level, if you look at this investigation, its about 7:1 D:R. Thats a good start.



And if it were 7 to 1 republican, I can hear the cries now of how you're republican representatives are being picked on. Let's look back at the corruption based on the party in power. I think you'll find it roughly equivalent. In New York, for example, where the republicans have been in the majority for many years, the republican corruption is greater. But keep seeing it as a partisan problem rather than as a systemic one. It's the best aid you can give to the crooks.




It wont be nearly roughly equivalent in NJ, the state Im most familiar with. It doesnt matter who is in power, its the Donkeys that are far more corrupt. I also question your statement on NY, both the claim that "republicans have been the majority for many years".....NY is far to diverse and regional to make any broad statement....and that GOP corruption is greater.

Edit: and btw, most of the violations in that 7:1 D:R ratio took place during when the GOP was in power.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 9:07:23 AM   
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Also, get the Doctor's out of making profit on financial interests in the hospitals that they treat in, as it is a conflict of interest.



Why is it a conflict of interest? Name a private business where the experts in that business don't own a financial stake in providing their product/services.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 9:26:46 AM   
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How did conservatives make it a derisive term?

I believe its more correct to write that Liberals consistently deride themselves.


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But you seem to have no problem shamelessly labeling anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints as liberal, which the conservatives turned into a derisive term.





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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 9:28:31 AM   
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Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
George Bush I
George Bush II

is it that the conservatives have no shame, perhaps?

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 9:39:30 AM   
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How did conservatives make it a derisive term?

I believe its more correct to write that Liberals consistently deride themselves.


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But you seem to have no problem shamelessly labeling anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints as liberal, which the conservatives turned into a derisive term.






"We aren't liberal, we're progressives".

Then take a look at the "progressive parties" over history. Not a pretty picture...better retreat back to "liberal".

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 10:41:58 AM   
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How did conservatives make it a derisive term?

I believe its more correct to write that Liberals consistently deride themselves.



An opinion piece, but it gets to the heart of the matter:

The Raw Story | Editorials

Conservatives view the world as a zero-sum game with only winners and ... by the derisive use of the term "liberal," a tactic the Republicans used with ...







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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 10:52:24 AM   
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How did conservatives make it a derisive term?

I believe its more correct to write that Liberals consistently deride themselves.



An opinion piece, but it gets to the heart of the matter:

The Raw Story | Editorials

Conservatives view the world as a zero-sum game with only winners and ... by the derisive use of the term "liberal," a tactic the Republicans used with ...









Finishing that quote:

"Conservatives view the world as a zero-sum game with only winners and losers while I, as a liberal, embrace an abundance mentality that suggests everybody can win and there is more than enough to go around."

He is trying to co-opt a basic conservative principle as liberal. It aint gonna work.

Fiscal conservatives very clearly believe that everybody is a winner from conservative fiscal policies, sometimes summarized as "a rising tide lifts all ships." It is liberal philosophy that believes there are winners and losers, and attempts to take down the winners...at the expense of everybody.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 11:13:18 AM   
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Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Walter Mondale
Bubba Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Mike Moore
Barack Obama

Could be conservatives have little to be ashamed of. Nixon cracked China open, for example, while Bubba traded them ballistic missile technology for campaign cash. W liberated fifty million people in Iraq and Afghanistan but Obama is purposely destroying troop morale as well as the dollar.

And so on.


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LOL..........

Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
George Bush I
George Bush II

is it that the conservatives have no shame, perhaps?


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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 11:19:03 AM   
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Reagan and arms for hostages, backing Iraq
bushI-----well bush didn't do anything
Bush II liberated nobody and sacked our treasury
and Nixon was an out and out criminal

(LOL, opened china, and you will be talking about that out of the other side of your mouth, like china is a bad thing, on another thread)

Clinton had a booming economy
Walter Mondale what?
Jimmy Carter turned out he was right, we shoulda got of the dime on oil way back when
Barack Obama is president, so he is head and shoulders above your current head imbicile.



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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 11:19:45 AM   
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An editorial, hmm?

Well at least Brads comment on your editorial was a good read. 

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An opinion piece, but it gets to the heart of the matter:

The Raw Story | Editorials

Conservatives view the world as a zero-sum game with only winners and ... by the derisive use of the term "liberal," a tactic the Republicans used with ...








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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 12:16:44 PM   
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Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Walter Mondale
Bubba Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Mike Moore
Barack Obama ORIGINAL: Sanity



Let's see.....Mondale, Dukakis, Hillary Clintion and Gore were candidates and not presidents. Mike Moore was never a government official of any kind. So rather than find a bunch of failed republican candidates and pundits who have nothing to do with the original posting, let's go with the meat of the matter.

Jimmy Carter...I wasn't crazy about him, but he did broker the Camp David accords which were the strongest moves towards any peace in the middle east we have seen before or since.

Bill Clinton left office with the country at peace and with a surplus in the federal budget.

Barak Obama...I have my problems with a number of things he's doing, but I do note that we are no longer looking at a complete meltdown of the economy, we have old enemies at that negotiation table  and a shot at a start to repair a health care system that is profoundly in need of fixing.

Yes, I can see why these men would be a source of shame. Wait a minute. No.  I can't.

Bill

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 1:32:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Walter Mondale
Bubba Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Mike Moore
Barack Obama ORIGINAL: Sanity



Let's see.....Mondale, Dukakis, Hillary Clintion and Gore were candidates and not presidents. Mike Moore was never a government official of any kind. So rather than find a bunch of failed republican candidates and pundits who have nothing to do with the original posting, let's go with the meat of the matter.

Jimmy Carter...I wasn't crazy about him, but he did broker the Camp David accords which were the strongest moves towards any peace in the middle east we have seen before or since.

Bill Clinton left office with the country at peace and with a surplus in the federal budget.

Barak Obama...I have my problems with a number of things he's doing, but I do note that we are no longer looking at a complete meltdown of the economy, we have old enemies at that negotiation table  and a shot at a start to repair a health care system that is profoundly in need of fixing.

Yes, I can see why these men would be a source of shame. Wait a minute. No.  I can't.

Bill



Camp David accords accomplished nothing. His handling of the economy was a joke.

Bill Clinton left office ignoring that we are at war with radical Islam, and with a surplus in the federal budget that was a mirage.

Barack Obama has done nothing. Anything positive that has happened in the economy is a result of the business cycle, not anything any POTUS has done, but if you want to argue that point, whatever good has happened was passed in the GWB administration. We have nobody at any serious negotiation table and we have lost the respect of our allies, and he is on the brink of destroying the health care system if he's allowed to.

Plenty to be ashamed of.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 1:38:54 PM   
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Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Walter Mondale
Bubba Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Al Gore
Mike Moore
Barack Obama

Could be conservatives have little to be ashamed of. Nixon cracked China open, for example, while Bubba traded them ballistic missile technology for campaign cash. W liberated fifty million people in Iraq and Afghanistan but Obama is purposely destroying troop morale as well as the dollar.

And so on.


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LOL..........

Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon
George Bush I
George Bush II

is it that the conservatives have no shame, perhaps?

Even measured against some of your other rediculous claims this one here is truly outrageous....."purposely" really? I'm sure you have the smoking gun to back up this outlandish claim?

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 1:58:45 PM   
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An editorial, hmm?

Well at least Brads comment on your editorial was a good read. 


Well, if Brad says it is so who am I to argue?

All hail Brad!!!

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 2:56:56 PM   
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'round and 'round the truth;
they coulda saved a million people;
and how can I tell you?

CCR

all joe the plumber hyperbole ib tgat side, not one goddamn idea about what to do with the world we live in.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 3:22:46 PM   
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What happened? I was told this was the topic about the Ethics Committee.

Come on now, politicians and ethics rarely go together anyway.

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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 5:48:25 PM   
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What happened? I was told this was the topic about the Ethics Committee.

Come on now, politicians and ethics rarely go together anyway. ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf



The problem is, that our political system is not set up to reward ethics. You have a better chance of getting an ethical hereditary monarch than you do an ethical elected leader.


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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 6:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure where I read it, but it was something along the lines of "the best man to be President is the one smart enough to do the job, and smart enough to not want it."

The reward to being ethical is an internal reward, and I agree that very few people, much less politicians, have that. I have been organizing things locally because of certain community concerns, and someone the other night said I should run for a county commisioner position. I told them there is no way in hell I would do that. They asked didn't I want to help the community, and I said sure, and that is why I am staying a member of it.

This Ethics Committee is a reflection of some of the worst things in our "elected servants", as they give the appearance of maintaining ethics, when they are just a way for politicians to CYA.

I am not sure what it is going to take in this country for a political revolt to occur, but it needs to happen while we still have something left in the vaults to work with. The USSR destroyed itself from the inside, like a cancer, and I see our political system has a cancer as well, just a different form of cancer. No Ethics Committee is going to cure it.

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What happened? I was told this was the topic about the Ethics Committee.

Come on now, politicians and ethics rarely go together anyway. ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf



The problem is, that our political system is not set up to reward ethics. You have a better chance of getting an ethical hereditary monarch than you do an ethical elected leader.




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RE: Leak of Ethics Reports - 11/1/2009 8:39:02 PM   
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In New York, for example, where the republicans have been in the majority for many years


Fact correction--Democrats have a 2-1 majority over Republicans in NY.

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