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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/18/2009 9:50:31 PM   
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The assertion that the leadership of the Tea party Movement refered to themselves as "TEABAGGERS". Why are you playing dumb?

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/18/2009 11:44:27 PM   
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actually panda, you and RMl have not shown a single leader of any Tea Party movement to have refered to them self that way.

You did find a picture of an old man.

Some how you think the "movement" speaks with one voice, which really is simply dumb. But you apperantly must believe it.

So you can pretend it is not bias to refer to them as "teabaggers" while snickering.


Someone made a few buttons, which can easily be done on a home computer, (which is the only evidence either of you provided, oh also a blog post), so to you that speaks for the "Movement" . Have I got that right.


Again, neither of you showed a leader saying that, nor was that what they called them selves, they called it aa "Tea Party".



No, what you did was move the goalposts.

No one ever said anything about the leaders of the movement, but it is apparent that the rank and file teabaggers called themselves teabaggers until someone clued them in to the meaning.

Then they got upset and decided it was the media's fault for calling them what they called themselves.

You've been given plenty of proof, but each time you try to to pretend that the evidence is not sufficient.

But you are right about beating a dead horse, especially when someone will not accept what's put in front of their face. 

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 3:59:05 AM   
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NBC’s ObamaVision: ‘Law and Order’ — ‘This Is Why We Need Health-Care Reform’




NBC’s “Law and Order” is in its 20th season. The economy is weak, so they have devolved to converting White House talking points into weekly shows. Last week, “Doped” was a farcical equivalent of “Damien Thorn meets Karen Silkwood.” Pharmaceutical companies and Doctors are worse than drug cartels. The killers in the previous week’s episode on such cartels were more sympathetic than the health professionals.


In the opening scene, a woman with 4 children is driving the wrong way down the West Side Highway (like the Diane Schuler Taconic Parkway horror this summer). Speaking on her cell phone erratically (no “hands free!”), the kids get concerned. She decides it is time to use nasal spray for her allergies, which had been spiked without her knowledge. Flash forward and viewers see two mangled vehicles resulting in seven deaths.


Detectives Barnard and Lupo scan the usual suspects; husband (nope, he seems too distraught), in-laws (no reason, plus their kids died), even the cancer stricken mother-in-law (too sincere). We discover the deceased woman and her boss (“Mad Men’s” Rich Sommer) have had secret late night meetings for weeks. They discovered their drug company has doctored marketing materials and bribed doctors to push a cancer medication which can extend terminal patients lives up to a few months, although most last at most a week. The medication is a $1000 a day. The episode makes it clear such life extending drugs exist for drug company profit only.


Consumers are portrayed as morons and dupes. Doctor’s have magical (and evil) powers to persuade them to buy this drug against their own better judgment and economic interest. One middle aged son complains that his father lasted 30 days too long on the drug, thus wiping out his mother’s savings as she was forced to sell her house...



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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 4:49:08 AM   
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Why thanks, sanity. You take an ultra right wing blog, post it as if it's fact without any comment of your own, and we can now see that the media is truly biased. I suppose that it's a case of "Rush Limbaugh doesn't have to be fact based or fair because he's an entertainer but Law and Order should be held to a higher journalistic integrity."

Once again you live up to what everyone expects from you.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 5:14:04 AM   
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Music , thankyou so much for the Duck Soup clip:)
Lucky, A troll? is that the best you can do? Im disapointed. But strangely not surprised.


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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 5:17:43 AM   
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MM not a single word about it being pointed out that you changed the terms of your challenge in the middle, in order to pretend you won it......I expected nothing else from you.


Expect a lengthy response. I just don't have time to compose it during the work week.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 7:09:35 AM   
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MM not a single word about it being pointed out that you changed the terms of your challenge in the middle, in order to pretend you won it......I expected nothing else from you.


Expect a lengthy response. I just don't have time to compose it during the work week.



Can we look forward to an actual definition of your terms in that?

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 11:02:13 AM   
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Why would it matter if he defined his terms? He has already shown he will change them in mid argument, to pretend he won.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 11:10:40 AM   
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"No one ever said anything about the leaders of the movement, but it is apparent that the rank and file teabaggers called themselves teabaggers until someone clued them in to the meaning. "


No, an old man had a button saying that. You and panda say he (maybe a few others had a similar button) speak for the movement. An unidentified old man.


I do not see how you can say he speaks for the movement.

But if you assert he does, that means any jackass anachrist at a lefty rally speaks for the left, which of course isn't correct.


All that is apperant is that a single old man has a button with that term on it. and that you want to pretend he speaks for the movement. Pretty clear for all to see.


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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 1:23:00 PM   
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On a different subject I just heard Lawrence O'Donnell talking with Tom Harkin and Chuck Schumer say there will be a vote on Saturday and the Democrats will get the 60 votes for the healthcare bill


Any bets on something close to Reids bill not passing on Saturday? With double or nothing on the reconciliation bill looking nothing like either the House or Senate bill?

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 1:26:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

NBC’s ObamaVision: ‘Law and Order’ — ‘This Is Why We Need Health-Care Reform’




NBC’s “Law and Order” is in its 20th season. The economy is weak, so they have devolved to converting White House talking points into weekly shows. Last week, “Doped” was a farcical equivalent of “Damien Thorn meets Karen Silkwood.” Pharmaceutical companies and Doctors are worse than drug cartels. The killers in the previous week’s episode on such cartels were more sympathetic than the health professionals.


In the opening scene, a woman with 4 children is driving the wrong way down the West Side Highway (like the Diane Schuler Taconic Parkway horror this summer). Speaking on her cell phone erratically (no “hands free!”), the kids get concerned. She decides it is time to use nasal spray for her allergies, which had been spiked without her knowledge. Flash forward and viewers see two mangled vehicles resulting in seven deaths.


Detectives Barnard and Lupo scan the usual suspects; husband (nope, he seems too distraught), in-laws (no reason, plus their kids died), even the cancer stricken mother-in-law (too sincere). We discover the deceased woman and her boss (“Mad Men’s” Rich Sommer) have had secret late night meetings for weeks. They discovered their drug company has doctored marketing materials and bribed doctors to push a cancer medication which can extend terminal patients lives up to a few months, although most last at most a week. The medication is a $1000 a day. The episode makes it clear such life extending drugs exist for drug company profit only.


Consumers are portrayed as morons and dupes. Doctor’s have magical (and evil) powers to persuade them to buy this drug against their own better judgment and economic interest. One middle aged son complains that his father lasted 30 days too long on the drug, thus wiping out his mother’s savings as she was forced to sell her house...




Entertainment has a long history of being used for propoganda, and Law and Order has been at the forefront of spouting liberal talking points for years. Nothing to do but turn it off...we did.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 1:34:47 PM   
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yeah, entertaining propaganda.....Fox, Rush and so on.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 2:37:09 PM   
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Fox could do a good job it seems...if they could ever match the video to the story... It is just a little bit strange that their honest mistakes in production always seem to favor a story that would not be true without the manipulation of video.

Fair my behind…lol

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 2:50:52 PM   
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Fox could do a good job it seems...if they could ever match the video to the story... It is just a little bit strange that their honest mistakes in production always seem to favor a story that would not be true without the manipulation of video.

Fair my behind…lol

Butch



Not strange at all, given that the only people who give a shit about them are mediamatters and other leftwing organizations that have no interest in presenting any that they can't spin.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 2:56:05 PM   
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Not strange at all, given that the only people who give a shit about them are mediamatters and other leftwing organizations that have no interest in presenting any that they can't spin.



So you're saying that conservatives don't care if their news outlet is out and out fabricating stories? Did their sense of journalistic responsibility begin and end with Dan Rather.

What a silly question. Of course it did.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 3:35:21 PM   
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Not strange at all, given that the only people who give a shit about them are mediamatters and other leftwing organizations that have no interest in presenting any that they can't spin.



So you're saying that conservatives don't care if their news outlet is out and out fabricating stories? Did their sense of journalistic responsibility begin and end with Dan Rather.

What a silly question. Of course it did.



No, conservatives are just intelligent enough not to rally around production errors. They wait for actual evidence of negligent reporting.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 3:38:15 PM   
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No, conservatives are just intelligent enough not to rally around production errors. They wait for actual evidence of negligent reporting.


Calling what Fox news has been doing a production error is like calling embezlement an arithmatic miscalculation. At the least it's shoddy journalism of the first order. At the worst, it is out and out fraud. Now I don't watch much Fox news, but I would think those of you who do would care about such things.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 4:15:52 PM   
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No, conservatives are just intelligent enough not to rally around production errors. They wait for actual evidence of negligent reporting.


Calling what Fox news has been doing a production error is like calling embezlement an arithmatic miscalculation. At the least it's shoddy journalism of the first order. At the worst, it is out and out fraud. Now I don't watch much Fox news, but I would think those of you who do would care about such things.



You see, some of us require actual proof of these things, not assumptions made by a self-confessed spinner.

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 4:18:58 PM   
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Oh, the irony.... 

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RE: Take the Fox Balance/Bias Challenge! - 11/19/2009 4:39:28 PM   
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Wouldn't their apology for misleading viewers, only after others pointed it out, be an admission of guilt?

What kind of proof besides admission and apology do you require?

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