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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 1:45:20 PM

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I find it amazing that someone with absolutely no knowledge of who I am can know my motivation. Those who watched, cheered and did nothing to help this poor girl are absolutely as guilty as those who did it. Are my ideas of punishment harsh? Goddamned right. Is it because I want to see violence inflicted? Nope. Also, since you know me so well, you obviously know that I tend to exaggerate or overemphasize to make a point. We all know that society will never give these little bastards justice. They'll get a slap on the wrist and they'll whine about that.
Slapping these little barbarians on the wrists is exactly the type of thing they expect. What they need is to pay for the wrong they committed by not doing what is right. People should be held accountable for their actions.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 1:50:04 PM

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Have I taken a pop at you in this thread? I don't remember doing so.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 2:37:01 PM

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This was absolutely appaling, disgusting and abhorrent to me to hear of this.

I think ALL should be charged, those that did this crime and those that watched and did nothing about it. On one of those shows on cable they asked a lawyer if anybody could be charged for watching and the lawyers answer was no.

If there is no law covering this i think there should be. Nobody has a conscience anymore and that is even sadder.

There have been reports of the kids blaming the girl (victim), which i further found appalling. It was also reported that these were friends that did this to her. Some friends if this is true!

Cameras were to go into the school this coming Jan. One report says a girl is leaving the school because she didn't feel safe. Apparently this was the feeling before this attack happened.

I agree with a radio DJ i heard many years ago. If you are naked and walking down the street drunk you do NOT DESERVE to be raped...

I can see a lawsuit coming out of this...To be beaten, robbed, raped until unconscious absolutely chilling.

If i were a parent of one of those individuals oh boy would i be absolutely enraged!

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 3:19:45 PM

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Have I taken a pop at you in this thread? I don't remember doing so.

You were just the last one to post before me so it said in response to you. Sorry if you thought that was directed at you. It was not. You have never tried to pick a fight or take a poke at me in any thread.
The one who presumes I want violence and bloodshed for the sake of violence knows exactly who I meant.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 3:41:04 PM

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quote:

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Have I taken a pop at you in this thread? I don't remember doing so.

You were just the last one to post before me so it said in response to you. Sorry if you thought that was directed at you. It was not. You have never tried to pick a fight or take a poke at me in any thread.
The one who presumes I want violence and bloodshed for the sake of violence knows exactly who I meant.

My bad, then. I was forgetting the fast reply works like that. I beg your pardon.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 3:49:03 PM

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You know I'm not pro-death penalty, however, I'm leaning more and more towards branding of the forehead, for heinous crimes, so everyone can know who is a piece of permanent shit.

How about dye that will only fade after x number of years, and you have to come in yearly to make sure you didn't remove it, until you were released from dogshit status.

These kids, the rapers, and the ones watching, are not human, in my book, they are monsters, I think society has a right to know how has forsaken their humanity.

Those teeny boppers well, I hope they get what they have coming. Vengeance? Maybe. Do I care? not really, they ceased being human upon partaking in the act.

IMO.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 6:12:41 PM

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i JUST HEARD on Good Morning America about happened on Oct 24 at Richmond High School, California. They said this girl was gang raped and beatened for over 2 hours and a possible dozen kids observing or walking by and some even cheering and taking photos on their cells outside a homecoming dance. You know i am as much if not more disgusted and horrified with the kids watching as the rapists. I guess morbidly the pics that have been taken can be used to identify people involved but damn.

Police believe as many as five boys joined in the gang rape, which lasted more than two hours. As word spread of the attack, other kids arrived to watch. As many as 12-15 others stood around as the girl was being assaulted. No one called police.

Police only arrived around midnight after getting a call from someone who'd overheard other people "reminiscing about the incident," Lt. Mark Gagan. The girl was found unconscious and "brutally assaulted" under a bench. She was flown to a hospital in critical condition, but has since stabilized.

Yes for those that it matters to, there was drinking involved. Is this kind of thing so "no big deal" or even "cool" that our kids don't see the horror of it when they see it in front of them? angel

I am surprised someone was not out there with a video camera as they have done in the past with some of these violent acts. they need to be executed as I am not spending my tax dollars for their incarsaration.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 6:32:07 PM

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You know I'm not pro-death penalty, however, I'm leaning more and more towards branding of the forehead, for heinous crimes, so everyone can know who is a piece of permanent shit.

How about dye that will only fade after x number of years, and you have to come in yearly to make sure you didn't remove it, until you were released from dogshit status.

These kids, the rapers, and the ones watching, are not human, in my book, they are monsters, I think society has a right to know how has forsaken their humanity.

Those teeny boppers well, I hope they get what they have coming. Vengeance? Maybe. Do I care? not really, they ceased being human upon partaking in the act.

IMO.

i am pro-death penalty, but other than that i totally agree with the sentiment of this post.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 6:33:28 PM

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'According to the story, the authorities are looking into charging the on-lookers with aiding and abetting but they will have to prove that those charged with such actually facilitated or goaded the assailants. It is not a crime to not report a crime you witness unless the victim is under 14. '

Umm....not to nitpick but thats simply not true. In all 50 states it is a crime not to report a violent crime. Of course theres the matter of proving a person knew about it and did not report it, which is easier said than done. However, it is still illegal (and I must say, rightfully so)

'I think ALL should be charged, those that did this crime and those that watched and did nothing about it. On one of those shows on cable they asked a lawyer if anybody could be charged for watching and the lawyers answer was no. '

Then I would say that person should get a better lawyer. They failed to intervene in in the commission of a violent crime, a rape and what could have turned into serious or permanent injury, or even death. The law requires a person to intervene if it is reasonable to do so, safety wise. Failing that the person is required to attempt to obtain help. Nobody did. Hence you are damned right they should be charged.

'I can see a lawsuit coming out of this...To be beaten, robbed, raped until unconscious absolutely chilling. '

I second that. If I were the parent of that girl I would slap lawsuits against the people that did it, the people that watched and failed to intervene *AND* the school board for the schools failure to protect the student and for allowing such an act to even happen in the first place. That is completely and totally unacceptable. Sadly this reminds me of my old elementary school back in vancouver. Way back in 1994 or so there was an incident where a young girl was severely beaten by half a dozen other young girls. I assume about boys or some other bs excuse. The girls father told the principle of the school that he would sue for the schools refusal (yes REFUSAL) to investigate the incident. They refused to even ask the people involved what had happened. No questions, no punishments, no detention. Nothing whatsoever. You know what the principles reply was? He rubbed his fingers together in that 'i've got money' gesture and said 'we have better lawyers than you'll ever have. If you sue we will take you for everything you have.' How disgusting is that? and this is at an elementary school.

'These kids, the rapers, and the ones watching, are not human, in my book, they are monsters, I think society has a right to know how has forsaken their humanity.'

Hear hear. I couldn't have put it better myself.

On a related note if I were the parents I would also go to the phone company that provides service to each of the people involved with the cell phones and make damn sure the company traced where each and every copy (if any were uploaded anywhere) were sent. Facebook, youtube, myspace. You know how people are with stuff like that i'm sure. I wouldn't want that getting out all over the net and there would be hell to pay if it had.

'If they are gulity, I frankly do not care if they get the death penalty or life imprisonment, in fact the victim should decide. I won't call them animals because animals treat each other much better. '

Very true Lashra. People that commit these acts are far FAR below anything I would consider human or animal.

'Yes, you are correct. i was in jail (yeah it happens) with a girl once that was in for accessory to murder. Her boyfriend had murdered someone and told her about it. She thought he was joking. He wasn't. She didn't report it. '

Exactly. Though given what you've said i'd say there was more to that situation than she told you. They wouldn't arrest her if they didn't think knew something that was more than him 'joking around' Never believe everything a person you meet in jail says.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 9:06:30 PM

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quote:

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i JUST HEARD on Good Morning America about happened on Oct 24 at Richmond High School, California. They said this girl was gang raped and beatened for over 2 hours and a possible dozen kids observing or walking by and some even cheering and taking photos on their cells outside a homecoming dance. You know i am as much if not more disgusted and horrified with the kids watching as the rapists. I guess morbidly the pics that have been taken can be used to identify people involved but damn.

Police believe as many as five boys joined in the gang rape, which lasted more than two hours. As word spread of the attack, other kids arrived to watch. As many as 12-15 others stood around as the girl was being assaulted. No one called police.

Police only arrived around midnight after getting a call from someone who'd overheard other people "reminiscing about the incident," Lt. Mark Gagan. The girl was found unconscious and "brutally assaulted" under a bench. She was flown to a hospital in critical condition, but has since stabilized.

Yes for those that it matters to, there was drinking involved. Is this kind of thing so "no big deal" or even "cool" that our kids don't see the horror of it when they see it in front of them? angel

I am surprised someone was not out there with a video camera as they have done in the past with some of these violent acts. they need to be executed as I am not spending my tax dollars for their incarsaration.

Most cellphones have cameras these days, including video. Just sayin', I'm sure stills and video of the incident were taken, on people's phones.

My heart goes out to the poor girl.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 10:03:51 PM

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I only have two things to say on this:

1) It is rare that anything that I read in print makes Me almost physically ill. This was one of the few exceptions.

2) If any of the perpetrators or observers/picture takes were associated with Me in any way, there wouldn't be an issue if they were prosecuted by the law. I'd probably take them out Myself.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 10:27:09 PM

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I was just thinking as I really read through this thread. What would I have done ? If I saw this shit going on I would pull my gun out and let one off into the air. The cockroaches would scatter and I would grab the girl, throw her in my car and find out if she is OK, and take her home or to the hospital. If caught I would get locked up for illegal discharge of a firearm, rousted, busted for all my old tickets and God forbid if I happened to have any weed on me.

But then that is if I get caught. One quick shot and then vamoose ? The odds would be about fifty fifty I think. Do I need the glamour of being a hero ? Fuck no. All I know is I would've gotten her the fuck outta there. I would probably give her one of my phone numbers and explain why I had to get the hell going. If she chooses to contact me in the future fine.

Remember when you stand alone against a crowd like this there is considerable risk. Even on TV you see videos of teens kicking the shit out of someone. I am not what I once was, and really when you are talking maybe ten or twelve of them, I might just not act personally on the situation. They are alot younger than I, and are ruthless. I used to be damnear indestuctible, but I don't bank on it now. I could of course use a phone, but when seconds count the cops are minutes away, as they say.

Maybe I am better than I think, I have never attended a gang bang, let alone a gang rape. I guess I am just an old fuddy duddy. But these fuckheads are no mystery to me. And I'd bet that they have the gang mentality as well. When together they are very brave, but when alone they are most likely quite timid. Fukum, I have no respect.

Lock them up and throw away the key, nukem, do whatever the fuck you want. Just make sure you got the right people.

Crime and punishment would be quite different in my world. The onlookers would all be raped, male and female alike. However it is done, make it hurt. Make it hurt both physically and mentally. If they think it is OK, then it is OK right ? MOTHERFUCKERS. I'll show you. They would not do it again and at the same time I am not only not burning up a bunch of taxpayer dollars housing them for decades, I would be doing something much more effective, which by the way I consider more humane because it does not take up so many years of their life. But that one year they WILL remember for the rest of their lives.

How did it go in Pulp Fiction ? Marcellus Wallace said, after being raped "I am going to get some hard hittin N______ to work on these ________ (I forgot the exact dialog) with a blow torch and a pair of pliers". And Zed was dead. That's more justice thn the government could ever deliver. The government is full of bleeding hearts and shit, and that has no place in meting out punishment for real crimes. I think part of the problem is that they don't know what a real crime is and what isn't.

More on that in another thread.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 10:38:27 PM

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the lack of support for this girl from the teachers is almost as sickening as the rape its self. They should be organizing efforts to find each and every student who was involved or witnessed the crime, not complaining about negative media attention. I hope her parents get her into a different school because I have a feeling if she goes back there she will be treated like a pariah by those snot nosed brats, and by the so called authority figures

Also, not to make light of the situation but the article calls Richmond a suburb of Sf. That's like calling Hell "Heaven's downstairs neighbor".

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 10:49:17 PM

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Heir, if she was my kid and got rebuffed by the "authorities" she would be the hell out of there TODAY. Not tomorrow, today.

Sending your progeny out there all young and vulnerable involves trust, and they have proven they can't be trusted. Case closed.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 10:51:53 PM

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Haven't read all the posts yet, so just my thoughts...

This is just utterly revolting in every possible way. There is guilt all around, the sort of guilt that makes me wish death upon others. If only civilization were actually civilized.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/1/2009 11:04:34 PM

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Civilisation is an oxymoron ?

I guess so.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 1:03:32 AM

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This makes me sick, and I hope every "kid" who watched and did nothing to help is prosecuted. I'm equally sickened by the teachers, who seem to be too busy covering their asses to actually care about what happened to this girl. As for the participants, they need to go down on adult charges, regardless of age. An adult crime should have adult consequences.

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Tho- in this case it seems a regional demention is in it. I mean with those Californians it is fun to have a shooting at a graduation. cheap thrills.

I seriously hope that was a bad attempt at humor

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 1:12:59 AM

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What a horrific story.

I hope the bystanders can get prosecuted as well and that somehow they will learn that standing by and saying nothing is as bad as being one of the rapists.

The quandary comes though when we ask what punishment these attackers should get. If we ask for the same thing to happen to them or for the death penalty does that make us any better than them? I think if it happened to someone close to me that I would want vengeance but would also fully expect to pay for my own crime.

side note - we have had a rape of two young women by some guys in an under 19 football team and apparently there is now a facebook group supporting the footballers. I find that just as disgusting

How sad it is to read of these things not only happening but becoming quite a common occurence

edit.... once again I am reminded of how I wish more people would incorporate the thought behind my sig line into their lives

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 6:34:09 AM

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Wanders, the death penalty won't even be considered. Even if it were, it is not a case of revenge. Putting down these rabid animals would be protecting other young girls fom the same kind of attack. As for the onlookers.... maybe being placed on a sex offender's list for the rest of their lives would be more appropriate. Then they would be forced to think about their actions every time they had to look for a place to live and had trouble because the new place was too close to a school or day care.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 10:16:48 AM

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IK, as much as I may agree with you at the core, that would be a misapplication of the law. That would make us lawless, and no better than them. Yes, even the onlookers should have some bad shit happen to them, but exactly what form that takes should be considered carefully.

For example how about we make their sisters or Mothers the victim of the same type of crime ? Sounds good doesn't it ? But really now you are punishing someone who had nothing to do with it.

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