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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 8:23:02 PM   
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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 10:48:49 PM   
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If I walked by with my gun and there's 5 guys against one (me) and I don't have a portable phone?
If I get involved and have to shoot those guys someone's going to bitch.
If I just keep walking someone's going to bitch.
Now what would I do? I'd probably shoot them all and then screw being careful to pick up my shell casings.
Fuck 'em, if they did it then they'd probably go on to do it again if I didn't shoot them.
But, if someone is in the commission of a violent felony you can shoot them.
Just don't hang around to make out any police reports.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 10:59:08 PM   
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The other thing I don't see mentioned here is Richmond, CA is an extremely high crime, highly gang-ridden area.  I've gotten lost in the depth of Richmond on a late Friday night before and trust me when I say I feared for my life.

That said, these aren't kids whose mom & dad are giving them a well balanced breakfast before sending them off to a high rated school.  These are kids who see crime in their faces every day, and who are immune to the horrors of such things.  Maybe they knew what was happening, maybe they didn't.  In there eyes, it was simply another "dog fight" in which they got to cheer for their top dog.

Shooting them, torturing them, locking them away for life isn't going to solve the problem.  It's putting a tiny little bandage on a life threatening gash.  Yes, what happened is atrocious, but most of these kids are so accustomed to violence they are unphased by it. 

Anyone here see Boyz in the Hood?  Then you have an idea of Richmond, CA.  These aren't kids who are going to gasp and run to the cops for help.


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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 11:03:39 PM   
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According to what your articles say... they believed it was a "lovers quarrel" fitting into the idea that, at that time, people did not get involved in domestic disputes. And, according to these articles, only one or two actually could see what was happening.

This attitude has been portrayed in such movies as the "Burning Bed". Tracey Motuzick of Torrington, Conn was the woman who was stabbed 13 times, the knife was removed by the officers, but no attempt was made to restrain the husband, who subsequently stepped on her head, broke her neck, and left her paralyzed. This is the history of our "institution of marriage".

Again, much has changed since then. Are you suggesting that the actions of these kids, who have allegedly joked, laughed, filmed and encouraged the attacks are acting under that same mentality? Am i the only one who sees a grave difference between the two groups?
Uh the outgoing administration stood around and pretended torture was "no big deal"-  you know what DUM's are? Lotsa people that think this is a sign of some modern decay of morality were cheering that shit on, and still are.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 11:04:19 PM   
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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 11:04:49 PM   
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This makes me sick, and I hope every "kid" who watched and did nothing to help is prosecuted. I'm equally sickened by the teachers, who seem to be too busy covering their asses to actually care about what happened to this girl. As for the participants, they need to go down on adult charges, regardless of age. An adult crime should have adult consequences.

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Tho- in this case it seems a regional demention is in it.  I mean with those Californians it is fun to have a shooting at a graduation.   cheap thrills.

I seriously hope that was a bad attempt at humor




As the girl was fifteen, they don't have to charge the little wankers who took pictures instead of calling the police with aiding and abetting. Possession of child pronography is seen as a far more serious matter than rape by the American legislature, isn't it?
Ironic, but probably true.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 11:08:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I would hope that she would walk away from it, not get involved and call 911 on her phone so that she stays anonymous and doesn't get in the middle of it all. Call me selfish but I'd rather mine be safe "

A very selfish attitude to be sure, but I totally agree. You do not expect others to put your well being ahead of your's do you ? Then you don't do it for them. We are seperate people and we must fend for ourselves and our own in life. That is it. Make friends fine. Write off half your family and treat some of your friends better fine. But your progeny is much more than that. It is the sole method by which your family continues.

If they fail to do anything, even find a phone booth or something, I could understand some disappointment. But what if they act proactively and wind up in the hospital or the morgue. Then you might be wondering why this victim was in that particular position at the time.

You might wonder alot of things because even though I have not experienced it, the death of one of your's has got to be hard to handle. But ironically in a case like this, the better you raised them the more likely they are to have some big trouble over it. To that I say tell them that freedom is not free, and heroism is not without risk. You put your ass on the line.

And one day they must do it as well.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/2/2009 11:18:46 PM   
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How would YOU solve the problem then?

Edit: Directed towards Nueva.



I honestly don't know.  Good thing I'm not a city official, as that city needs some serious revamping and would be doing so on very little funds.  Hey maybe that's the first step - re-elect city hall.  And then figure out how to get better funding for better schools, and help for single mothers who are working 2 jobs to make enough money to pay rent and feed their kids, so they can actually raise their kids instead of leaving that to the streets.

But that's just off the top of my head, without any research or feasibility studies.  What extremely low income, crime ridden cities have turned around?  I'd start by going there.  I believe East Palo Alto did that (the city "Dangerous Minds" was based in).  In 1992 they had the highest per-capita murder rate in the country, which declined by 42% as of last year.  I'd get my tail over to their city officials and ask how they did it.

Edited to add "in the country" up there ^


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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 12:10:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nueva, I am not buying that. When I was young we were dirt poor. The olman had to take off because of legal problems and we were alone. I remember when we were young, these high falluting religious types watched us for a whole two hours after school for the mere sum of $25 a week. Mind you this was in the 1970s and Mom was making a whopping $75 per week. We lived on it somehow.

This fucking bullshit about how the lack of money causes these problem does not wash with me, never has and never will. We were one step away from homeless most of my childhood.

Maybe that's why I am so harsh sometimes, and why some people think I am crazy or something. Mod 11 is OK, but I am getting ficking a bit irked when she says shit like I need mental help. It is her who needs it, and a few others around here. But I'll just let it roll off my back. Know why ? I have seen TV sets and other furniture fly across the livingroom, I have known about guns for far too long, I know how people are, how their moods change and all kinds of shit. I remain as stoic as possible and have a chance to think. That is precisely where I win.

I am never going back to poverty, even without money. To explain, I know that money is bullshit. There will be a pig roast soon, maybe I'll just burn money, it means nothing. I have spent the last few years developing resources better than money.

Currently at 49 I learn about as fast as a 12 year old, and that is pretty fast unless I have underestimated them. Lack of money and formal education is no excuse and never has been. I was dirt poor almost, and dropped out of school at 15 to go to work.

Is my diction off a bit ? Is my sentence formation a bit slewed. Is my expression of my thoughts unintelligible ? Now take a look at your graduates, some of whoM cannot read their own diplomaE. And for the rest, license is singular and data are plural. Goddammit, what a fucking droppout has to tell half of the people in the world shit like this ?

WE have failed. A village to raise a child eh ? Yeah but the village has to be full of people who at least know each other. Doesn't that make sense or do I have to start a twenty fucking page thread on that ?

People, it doesn't take money, fancy toys or cars to get the job done right, it takes time. Indeed that is your most precious resource, but what are you saving it for ? Yank that kid away from the cable TV and if NOTHING else, at least play some cards or something.

For those of you raisingum, more power to you and I fully admit my limitations, as I have no kids. But we have still not seen the final results of your work, so in accordance with Murphy's law logic dictates that you don't get on too high of a horse here. How many kids have seemed just fine until that one day, when some Columbine type shit happens ?

Human psychology is quite complex, and as the primary influence, you must realize you are not the only influence. Other factors mix up the pot so to speak and obscure everything you could possibly teach. Yes, taking it on as a full time job with double shifts you can overcome this, but most people simply can't do that. So logic dictates the most logical course of action is to remove the other influences, which are interfering with your influence.

I could probably take on such a job. Just reverse mortgage the property for 18 years fixed, work some, sell a few things and get through it. But only for 18 years. This does not include ant college or anything. To do it I would have to quit just about every vice I have, buckle down and fly right. Homeschool and deal with all the problems that brings. The whole nine yards. But that would be dedication, to a degree I don't think I have yet achieved.

But mind you this, no kid of mine would ever go to a public school, unless under certain circumstances. Those would be beyond the scope of this text.

Actually at this point everthing is, I'll be baaack.

T

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 6:28:16 AM   
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, but I am getting ficking a bit irked when she says shit like I need mental help.
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Thats odd.  I consider you one of the more balanced people here.  You do not need mental help.   That is profound!

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 6:54:51 AM   
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i think the observers (they cheered??!!??) should be charged as well.


Actually, I think that they can be.  Something like "Accessory."  I know that if you witness a crime and do nothing or someone brags to you about killing someone, you can be charged that way.  It is like "Accessory after the fact" I think.  I am not a legal person, so I may not have the terms correct. 


They can be charged under federal law and most state laws.

For instance:

AN ACT CONCERNING THE FAILURE OF A WITNESS TO REPORT A SERIOUS CRIME. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened: Section 1. (NEW) (Effective October 1, 2009) (a) A person is guilty of failure to report a crime when such person witnesses what the person knows or reasonably should know is the murder, assault or sexual assault of another person or the physical abuse of a child, or the attempt thereof, and does not, as soon as reasonably practicable, report that crime to a law enforcement agency.


(AN ACT CONCERNING THE FAILURE OF A WITNESS TO REPORT A SERIOUS CRIME)

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 7:08:39 AM   
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i think the observers (they cheered??!!??) should be charged as well.


Actually, I think that they can be.  Something like "Accessory."  I know that if you witness a crime and do nothing or someone brags to you about killing someone, you can be charged that way.  It is like "Accessory after the fact" I think.  I am not a legal person, so I may not have the terms correct. 


They can be charged under federal law and most state laws.

For instance:

AN ACT CONCERNING THE FAILURE OF A WITNESS TO REPORT A SERIOUS CRIME. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened: Section 1. (NEW) (Effective October 1, 2009) (a) A person is guilty of failure to report a crime when such person witnesses what the person knows or reasonably should know is the murder, assault or sexual assault of another person or the physical abuse of a child, or the attempt thereof, and does not, as soon as reasonably practicable, report that crime to a law enforcement agency.

(AN ACT CONCERNING THE FAILURE OF A WITNESS TO REPORT A SERIOUS CRIME)



A point of clarity: the link you posted is for the state of Connecticut

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 7:36:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the vote of confidence Hunky, but the reality is that we all must question our own sanity before questioning others'. We have been raised in a world just about as crazy, and as such we might not have turned out perfect. While confidence in one's sanity is a good thing, overconfidence about it is a sign of trouble. Where to draw the line ? Damifino.

I'll cut y'all a sweet deal, I'll br truthful about my opinions and you be the judge. I'll happily accept damnation if it is for what I am rather than some trustee of modern chemistry rejecting me because my brainwashing didn't turn out quite the same as their's.

I think some people here almost hate me, probably some have me ignored/blocked. Their loss. I speak my mind and they have no idea of what chances they might have had for rebuttal. Things couldn't get much better really. Anyone can put their head in the sand. It is the few who can really face life who will effect permanent positive change in this world and quite frankly, I can do without the static from the rest.

Actually this gang rape means nothing to me. As far as I am concerned it happened on a different planet. What has concerned me and others is mainly people's attitudes about it at the time. Now how the fuck you think those attitudes are formed ? But if I say something like "those damn californians are at it again", is that not tantamount to a racist remark ? Things are different there, and differ greatly just in that state. Within it's borders are some of the most beautiful properties on this land, and down the street the worst cesspools of humanity anyone would ever want to see. At least in Ohio here we are all damnear poor, or on the brink of it. We have pretty much lost our faith in our officials and our confidence that we will not be out on the street in a few short spans of time. In a way we lost hope, but that was only an illusion anyway.

Seems that anything that "smacks" of racism is a hotkey. Well let me tell you this. On TV there is Judge Judy, and she says when something doesn't make sense it usually isn't true. Apply that to your opinion of me. I have thought my way out of situations in which quite frankly most of you would be dead. Apply that to your opinion of me. I am a highschool dropout who makes more money than both of his Parents put together (when alive). Apply that as well. I have been hurt so bad in life that most would never recover, stick that in there as well. And add to that that I self heal and I don't go to doctors, which really seems to piss some people off, yet my health is improving and my strength growing. Throw that on the heap as well.

Now just who is it who needs the fucking help ?

As I said I have never even attended a gangbang, let alone a gang rape. At a gangbang the girl is willing. Even when I was a bigoted, dangerous, violent punk I never had the desire, because I just don't think it's right.

You know here I have explored what I would do in that situation, but not if my kid was. Let's throw that in there. I would expect my kid to make a phone call, but to ME. "OK it's a thirty minute drive, I'll be there in ten". I'd get him the fuck out of there and take care of business. Peer pressure my ass. Drop one of the punk and the rest will scatter, or even pop one off. I know this because I know the mentality, ala as I said, there's just not that much to know. It's not much harder than dealing with vicious dogs.

Oh wait, most of the sheeple can't deal with vicious dogs, they have to beg for help.

Now who needs the help ?

My family does not do gangbangs or gang rapes. We are not addicable personalities. We are productive members of society and rarely if ever ask anyone for anything. And I am the patriarch now. If there is anyone on this planet who doesn't need help it would be me. However there have been times when I had to call in a few favors. Even with all this, I don't claim to be an island.

So these punks in the OP need help, and as I have alluded, they need specifically tailored help, effective help with a degree of consequence. That is what a leader is supposed to do. You don't react, you respond. Note the similarity to the word responsibility right there. That is the core, at least my core. Everyone else can float around in the ether for all I care. But if you bring it to my doorstep, don't expect a warm welcome to say the least. Yes we need to be tolerant, but that only applies in normal cases. I don't have to tolerate these punks or anything like that. I mean tolerating people with different viewpoints and lifestyles, which do not include gang rapes and shit like that. I can draw a line. I can be the judge.

I'd like to see the motherfucker who could "help" me.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 7:37:28 AM   
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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 8:50:52 AM   
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I am curious, if you found out that one of your kids ended up watching such a thing and didn't report it or go inside the school and find one of the four cops who were at the dance or an adult or something, what would you do as a parent? 


Ok first of all I would cry my eyes out. Then I would get really pissed off. I would take a couple of deep breaths and then calmly drive my child to the hospital to visit the girl. I would make my kid apologize to her and her parents. Finnally I would go to the police station and had over the kid and the kids phone to the authorities. Then I would cry some more.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 9:24:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		  I mean with those Californians it is fun to have a shooting at a graduation.   cheap thrills.   The world was a mess before we were born it will be a mess when we leave.

[/quote] Are you serious?Talk about painting something with broad strokes.No I disagree it's not those Californians, it is the gangs mostly and yes we have more than our share of them.But in the past 3 years they have been cracking down hard on the gangs and it's getting alot better.But there are more people like me or you here as well working everyday,supporting their families,raising their kids,paying their taxes.geeez 

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 10:23:27 AM   
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, but I am getting ficking a bit irked when she says shit like I need mental help.

Thats odd.  I consider you one of the more balanced people here.  You do not need mental help.   That is profound!

I truly believe that this is the most amusing post I have ever read in these forums.  Bravo.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/3/2009 11:29:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thankfully know what my son would do.

He stepped up to an adult male to protect me, when he was 15, and because said male had a good job, government security clearance, etc, it was my son that got charged with actual bodily harm.

As a side note it was also my son that called the police to say what had happened and called an ambulance for my attacker.

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/4/2009 12:00:57 AM   
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I would be disappointed in my daughter if she couldn't find her gun or knife. She would never be so skimpily dressed that she could not conceal both. Actually she probably would've never been there in the first place.

We are not like others, it has nothing to do with race or anything else, but we are very different.

We don't say "I love you"
We also don't say "I hate you".

There are many Women out there who would welcome a ganbang, and no matter if their reasons are right or wrong I just do not attend. The question here is, is she pressing charges, or more aptly asked, if it were in her hands would she ?

Nobody ever asked that eh ?

I am not implying anything, just asking a question.

When talking about matters like this, I represent that part of yourself that is totally repressed. Why else would my questions be "hard" ?

Maybe I am nuts.

T

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RE: Kids say -- eh its just a gang rape, no biggie. Co... - 11/4/2009 4:08:05 AM   
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