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Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 9:04:41 AM

Lucienne

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I'm generally disinterested in an online-only relationship. When I get correspondence from someone in Europe it usually looks like spam (a generic message and search parameters that extend across the Ocean) and I ignore it. Well, last night I received a cmail from a young man in Ireland requesting that I punish and humiliate him. I was feeling wicked. The boy assured me he was willing to do anything. So I told him to read Finnegan's Wake and write me a 1000 word book report. He does not appear to be very bright. I told him to procure a copy of the book, take a picture of himself with it, then send me the pic as a testament to his sincerity.

Now, I don't expect to hear from the poor dear again (although he did say "ok" to the picture request). But after this exchange, I thought about it and decided that I actually would get a kick out forcing men to read books. I like learning, and helping others learn. I'm generous with my offers to share what I know with others, and have been told that I'm quite helpful. And the thought of commanding some incurious man to expand his mind and have him do it excites me.

So, two questions.

1. Is it bad to toy with boys who are asking to be punished? What limits do you put on yourself in this regard? I have an intellectual sadistic streak in me that I normally contain, but I find it hard to do so in the context of CMs from these men begging to be humiliated. It would be so easy for me to do so, but I worry that it's not the type of humiliation they're looking for. And, most importantly, I'm not inclined to get to know them well enough to learn the precise contours of their need to be humiliated. Which makes me think I should not engage them, even if it's for a limited bit of fun. What say you, Mistresses?

2. What I've styled as a pedagogy kink, anyone known someone into this, or are into it themselves? (Other than Susan Sarandon in Bull Durham). It seems that a great deal of being a Mistress, or Master, is helping the formation of the sub. So my desire seems quite consistent with that overall theme. No different than requiring a sub to eat healthy meals or work out. But I don't see people discussing this aspect. I wonder if people out there would be interested in this sort of service.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 9:27:02 AM

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lolol now there's a lovely thought. Forced Intellectualism. I actually tried to force feed a book once and all I got in return was one of those horrible Cliff Notes reports back.

Really....he could have been at least a little more ingenious.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 10:45:30 AM

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*giggles madly* Ah, the joys of teaching. I am convinced that many works remain on the curriculum only due to repressed sadism.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 10:47:00 AM

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I'm still working on a Wikipedia entry for one Mistress' favorite book series as a gift to Her. That should give you some idea of my position on this subject. ;)

And apparently it's a shared kink! I love my Mistress. ^__^

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 10:49:56 AM

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I like the idea! I can't say the idea of being made to read classic literature turns me on as a fetish, but as a part of D/s interaction it sounds great.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 11:04:02 AM

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My S.i.T. (sub/slave in training - I'll decide which he is later) reads some of the classic BDSM literature "under my hand." He's doing both "Mr.Benson" and Rinella's "Becoming a Slave." depending on whether I want him heated up or not. LOL! When he's in my house and has done his chores and I'm busy with other things, he's told to "read <whichever> until I call for you."

I read all his posts here and correct his typos (grammatical, punctuation, and spelling), keeping careful count for cane strokes later. I can't understand why he's getting worse rather than improving..... LOL!

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 1:32:54 PM

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Lance, you practically read My mind.

There are a number of males out there that I would love to instruct them to read any non fiction work on BDSM. It might help them get over the idea that we female Dominants are here to cater to their wants and be in service to them while they call themselves submissives. A little education might go a long way for some folks.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 1:42:54 PM

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quote:

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Lance, you practically read My mind.

There are a number of males out there that I would love to instruct them to read any non fiction work on BDSM. It might help them get over the idea that we female Dominants are here to cater to their wants and be in service to them while they call themselves submissives. A little education might go a long way for some folks.

It could also help subs understand that it's theoretically possible for femdoms to be actually quite nice, LP.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 1:49:41 PM

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Shhhhh! None of that now. You'll ruin My rep.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 1:57:08 PM

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Well, Joyce is mean - but Finnegan's Wake is pure sadism (I'm not sure if it's SSC either). But since great minds think alike I confess my boys have had to read books when I was not happy with their education. But more along the lines of Dickens. I think Finnegan's Wake is definitely off-limits (unless you want to put him off reading for life).

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 2:08:54 PM

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I have spent a lot of time over the years in the SCA (a medieval re-creation group), which has as a foundation of its social model a hierarchical society and teaching from the top of the hierarchy to the lower parts of it. Knights teach squires. Laurels (the term for the society's master artisans, and titled Master or Mistress) teach apprentices. When I reached the master artisan link, and began training apprentices in that connection, I certainly made them write essays and research papers -- but then, they knew I was a research geek and came to me to learn that, one expects.

I had never considered the application of this in a kink milieu, however. I'd tend to guess that someone somewhere in academia has coined a formal name for it, but if so I dunno what it would be. Pedagogy paraphilia seems good enough!

Please, consider reporting back your results, I for one will be interested!

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 2:39:35 PM

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Finnegan's Wake is a hard limit. Ulysses took me an entire summer and that's the last Joyce I've read.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 3:07:34 PM

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quote:

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Well, Joyce is mean - but Finnegan's Wake is pure sadism

I said I was feeling wicked. ;)

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 4:19:19 PM

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Intellectualism is quite divine in my tastes, so dish out the philosophy.

Does this make me a masochist in this aspect? If so, I guess depriving me of the ability to learn and read would be the real punishment.

Don't take away my learnin'!

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 11:07:44 PM

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I have my boy write stories for me. Its yummy.

He's long been an author, though. Don't think I'd have been attracted, otherwise.

ETA: This sort of thing could be abused. For example, if you were in school and really had a paper due, of course it would be wrong to have someone else write it.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/1/2009 11:37:00 PM

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lol - forcing someone to read Finnegan's Wake is like giving a huge butt-plug to someone who has never used one before. It just won't go in! Lube all you like, it will not go in! However, there is probably nothing that cannot be attempted if done gradually enough - Steve

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/2/2009 3:15:15 AM

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Ohhh... I like this new kink. *smiles* I'd love to read some book reports that have come about this way!

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Lance, you practically read My mind.

There are a number of males out there that I would love to instruct them to read any non fiction work on BDSM. It might help them get over the idea that we female Dominants are here to cater to their wants and be in service to them while they call themselves submissives. A little education might go a long way for some folks.

They're not subs, they're bottoms. It's not play they're after, it's kinky sex. You're not a human being, you're a replacement for their hand.

It makes sense when you see it their way, doesn't it? That and makes you feel sorry for them, too.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/2/2009 3:57:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Finnegan's Wake is a hard limit. Ulysses took me an entire summer and that's the last Joyce I've read.

grins.... i actually just pulled Ulysses out of my book shelf a couple of hours ago as a book I want to re-read again

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/2/2009 6:00:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

1. Is it bad to toy with boys who are asking to be punished?

I don't. I've learned the hard way that this can be an exercise in futility. Once the groundwork is laid, that being his goal of punishment and the domme only the conduit by which his desire is served, it becomes always about him.

2. What I've styled as a pedagogy kink, anyone known someone into this, or are into it themselves?

I love this idea!!! When I have had the chance to try it out, the man in question lost interest quickly, though, because it wasn't kinky enough for him. I will, however, put this to use when the next one comes along.

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RE: Budding sadist or pedadogy kink? - 11/2/2009 6:53:30 AM

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2. What I've styled as a pedagogy kink, anyone known someone into this, or are into it themselves?

I love this idea!!! When I have had the chance to try it out, the man in question lost interest quickly, though, because it wasn't kinky enough for him.

I think the challenge of it is what appeals to me. Knowing that the man is only doing it because I require him to and he wants to please me. Along the same lines as "forcing" a straight guy to suck cock, except I'm forcing his mind to work in uncomfortable ways rather than his body.

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