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Sanity -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/7/2009 7:40:13 PM)


Of course I disagree with you as usual in that my facts are straight enough while its my opinion that yours are totally askew but I do agree with you that this poor dead horse has suffered enough. No hard feelings on my part towards you, though.

You have a good night Lucy.




DomKen -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/7/2009 8:53:43 PM)

So Sanity is upset with liberals because the GOP told a lie that some people made fun of because it was so over the top? What precisely did we do wrong? Ridiculing liars is bad how?




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/7/2009 9:32:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Actually I didn't bring it up, Lucy originally posted the link to that thread.


You're lying again. That's an absolute, baldfaced lie. You were the first person to bring up that joke, in Post # 111. Lucy linked that thread  in response to your reference, in Post #113. And you spent most of the next 3 pages whining about it.

This is the second time in about a month that I've busted you doing the same thing. I can't believe you tried it again. Do you really think we're too dumb to scroll back a few pages to check and see whether you're telling the truth? Especially given what we know about your personal accountability? Have you no shame? Is there no limit to how far you'll contort the truth to avoid taking responsibility for your own words?

And while we're on the subject of your credibility, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you on the last page - you said that if anyone on your own side made a joke about denying people health care on the basis of their political affiliation, you'd call them on it. I asked you to show some links to the posts where you voiced an objection to the Republican National Party suggesting to people that Democrats plan to withhold medical care from Republicans. You haven't gotten back to me yet with those links. What's taking so long?






Sanity -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/7/2009 9:48:23 PM)


Funny - I don't feel busted. [sm=tired.gif]











Nemesys -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:26:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys


Sanity, they're being taught in school today that the use of tyrannic force, mass murder, and political oppression is an exclusive tool of the right, both historically and today.

They're being taught that the KKK consisted exclusively of Republicans.

They'e being taught that only Republicans have led our country into war, directly or indirectly, and the reason always is to support big business and profits that make greedy businessmen even richer.

They're being taught that we deserved to be attacked on 911.

They're being taught that we went into Iraq solely because Bush's father didn't like Hussein, that we wanted profits for politicians' oil-rich pals, and because the Vice President made money on Haliburton.

They're being taught that insulting President Bush was patriotic, and that questioning President Obama is racist.

I hear these things from my students, and from my son in high school, but it's seeping in at all levels. Did you see what was on Sesame Street lately?



From your students?

So the "they" that are teaching these things must be you.



Yes, very logical... it surely must have been me.

However, when I walk through the faculty parking lot, there's still several cars with bumper stickers that say "Bush Sucks", even a huge Cadillac SUV with a "No Blood for Oil" sticker (that one still makes me laugh). Faculty in the English dept. had anti-Republican stickers on their office doors (they were asked to remove them, cited "Freedom of Speech", and ended up even having the AAUP tell them it was inappropriate).

Yes, it's me, all right. Well, it must be true, since we've already proved it couldn't possibly be the media.




Nemesys -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:30:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You were truly unaware that socialists and communists such as Stalin espouse leftists ideals?

Amazing. What are they teaching in schools these days. Knitting?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Stalin was a leftie? And there was me thinking he was an autocratic control freak who leaned to the right.



Sanity, they're being taught in school today that the use of tyrannic force, mass murder, and political oppression is an exclusive tool of the right, both historically and today.

They're being taught that the KKK consisted exclusively of Republicans.

They'e being taught that only Republicans have led our country into war, directly or indirectly, and the reason always is to support big business and profits that make greedy businessmen even richer.

They're being taught that we deserved to be attacked on 911.

They're being taught that we went into Iraq solely because Bush's father didn't like Hussein, that we wanted profits for politicians' oil-rich pals, and because the Vice President made money on Haliburton.

They're being taught that insulting President Bush was patriotic, and that questioning President Obama is racist.

I hear these things from my students, and from my son in high school, but it's seeping in at all levels. Did you see what was on Sesame Street lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-1j9T90-8&feature=player_embedded

What a way to honor 40 years of educational programming.




Please prove any of those assertions.


No, you prove otherwise. I made an assertion based upon my first-hand experiences. It's your job to prove that I'm either in error or lying.

Good luck.

What did you think about that Sesame Street link I provided, by the way?




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:36:41 AM)

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Yes, very logical... it surely must have been me.

However, when I walk through the faculty parking lot, there's still several cars with bumper stickers that say "Bush Sucks", even a huge Cadillac SUV with a "No Blood for Oil" sticker (that one still makes me laugh). Faculty in the English dept. had anti-Republican stickers on it (they were asked to remove them, cited "Freedom of Speech", and ended up even having the AAUP tell them it was inappropriate).

Yes, it's me, all right. Well, it must be true, since we've already proved it couldn't possibly be the media.
ORIGINAL: Nemesys




I see a slight failure in logic in this post, Nemesys. I fail to see the correlation between some bumper stickers and the claim that our children are being taught any of the positions that you listed in a previous post. While it may be unintentional on your part, I felt that the thrust of your list was that these things were being taught as part of the curriculum.

That being the case, I have to ask where you have gotten the idea that students are taught that the KKK is solely made up of republicans, that only republicans have led us into war or that questioning President Obama is unpatriotic. From what I've seen, these are not now nor have they every been a part of anyone's lesson plan.





SilverMark -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:37:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You were truly unaware that socialists and communists such as Stalin espouse leftists ideals?

Amazing. What are they teaching in schools these days. Knitting?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Stalin was a leftie? And there was me thinking he was an autocratic control freak who leaned to the right.



Sanity, they're being taught in school today that the use of tyrannic force, mass murder, and political oppression is an exclusive tool of the right, both historically and today.

They're being taught that the KKK consisted exclusively of Republicans.

They'e being taught that only Republicans have led our country into war, directly or indirectly, and the reason always is to support big business and profits that make greedy businessmen even richer.

They're being taught that we deserved to be attacked on 911.

They're being taught that we went into Iraq solely because Bush's father didn't like Hussein, that we wanted profits for politicians' oil-rich pals, and because the Vice President made money on Haliburton.

They're being taught that insulting President Bush was patriotic, and that questioning President Obama is racist.

I hear these things from my students, and from my son in high school, but it's seeping in at all levels. Did you see what was on Sesame Street lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-1j9T90-8&feature=player_embedded

What a way to honor 40 years of educational programming.




Please prove any of those assertions.


No, you prove otherwise. I made an assertion based upon my first-hand experiences. It's your job to prove that I'm either in error or lying.

Good luck.

What did you think about that Sesame Street link I provided, by the way?



So because you type it...it must be true?....yeah....riiiiiiiight...uh huh....
Here let's spend the rest of time dis-proving a negative....I fault your process of thought more than your words but, neither are worth the time.




Nemesys -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:41:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys

Sanity, they're being taught in school today that the use of tyrannic force, mass murder, and political oppression is an exclusive tool of the right, both historically and today.

They're being taught that the KKK consisted exclusively of Republicans.

They'e being taught that only Republicans have led our country into war, directly or indirectly, and the reason always is to support big business and profits that make greedy businessmen even richer.

They're being taught that we deserved to be attacked on 911.

They're being taught that we went into Iraq solely because Bush's father didn't like Hussein, that we wanted profits for politicians' oil-rich pals, and because the Vice President made money on Haliburton.

They're being taught that insulting President Bush was patriotic, and that questioning President Obama is racist.

I hear these things from my students, and from my son in high school, but it's seeping in at all levels. Did you see what was on Sesame Street lately?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-1j9T90-8&feature=player_embedded

What a way to honor 40 years of educational programming.


Considering Obama has only been Prez for ten months means they really bloody revised everything from Bush's regime to Obamas tyranny in the summer vacation? That was damn fast and thorough, least of all a complete about face to what was being taught say this time ...last year????.
Im calling bullshit on this.


plus...the sesame skit was originally aired 2 years ago and included calling CNN Grouchy news network plus a whole whack of other stuff later on ....
"Later in the episode, Anderson Cooper from 4th place CNN, guest stars as a reporter for GNN," notes the vexed Sesame-watcher. "He interacts with 'Walter Cranky' and 'Dan Rather-Not' — Muppets representing real-life liberal news personalities — and they talk about 'Meredith Beware-a' and 'Diane Spoiler.' But no affectionate nicknames for Fox News personalities; no Spill O’Reilly or Brittle Hume — nope, and the only disparaging characterization of real-world news is reserved for Fox: Fox is a POX. It is trashy. They didn’t even attempt to try 'MessyNBC.'"
Breitbart is looking for anything that fills his paranoia
Like so many lately it seems


Lucy





I never said that they were taught these things only last week. It's obvious that it's happened for years. I was not blaming the current administration for it.

Citing something that someone else did not say and then shooting it down is called a "straw man" argument. It is only used by folks who have nothing else to say.

I wish you well, N




Nemesys -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:45:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nemesys
They're being taught that we went into Iraq solely because Bush's father didn't like Hussein, that we wanted profits for politicians' oil-rich pals, and because the Vice President made money on Haliburton.

So why did you go into Iraq, then?


Why don't you ask these folks?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003




Nemesys -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:48:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

So because you type it...it must be true?....yeah....riiiiiiiight...uh huh....
Here let's spend the rest of time dis-proving a negative....I fault your process of thought more than your words but, neither are worth the time.


Then we are both in agreement that you have wasted both of our time.

I wish you well.




SilverMark -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 7:55:05 AM)

Nope... Only that your thought process is a bit askew....perhaps a few facts to back up what you say might not hurt?... I have a great deal of respect for a number I disagree with, but they make sound arguments based on facts and then will back them up with notation....you might try it....




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 8:31:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Funny - I don't feel busted. [sm=tired.gif]



That's pretty telling, but not at all surprising. I just proved you were lying, and your response is to shrug it off and refuse to admit you did anything wrong. I don't think any further comment is necessary on that point.

But I'm still waiting to hear your response to my question about all the objections you must have raised to the Republican Party suggesting that Democrats were planning to deny Republicans health care on the basis of their party affiliation. What's taking you so long?




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 8:33:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys

What did you think about that Sesame Street link I provided, by the way?


Oh, I love Sesame Street! Big Bird's my favorite.

I've got to admit, though, it's the first time I've seen Sesame Street cited as a source in a political argument. Welcome to the board; you'll fit in very nicely with all the other conservative posters.




rulemylife -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 9:29:50 AM)

I'm quite sure it is everyone that disagrees with your views that is the problem.

The level of conservative paranoia in this country is becoming unbelievable.









Sanity -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 9:48:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
That's pretty telling, but not at all surprising. I just proved you were lying, and your response is to shrug it off and refuse to admit you did anything wrong. I don't think any further comment is necessary on that point.


You caught me lying, hmm? [sm=lol.gif]

Here's a link to the post in which Lucy linked to that thread and blew that can of worms wide open:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2890719

Why are you so upset about that post of yours being mentioned anyway Panda? Why don't you just let it drop. Your bitter and toxic protests are way out of proportion to what is being discussed here.

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But I'm still waiting to hear your response to my question about all the objections you must have raised to the Republican Party suggesting that Democrats were planning to deny Republicans health care on the basis of their party affiliation. What's taking you so long?



Whats taking so long? Well, first of all I don't typically read all of your posts so I wasn't even aware that you had been harassing me. And second, if I begin giving in to such bullying tactics and begin kow towing to every antagonistic poster's demands that I personally answer his or her every petty nagging question, where will it ever end?

And besides, I don't speak for the Republican party and I won't be held accountable for every flyer some county committee prints out on a home computer somewhere. I suppose that if you are absolutely dying to have your absolutely earth-shaking question answered though, and this isn't about harassing me as I suspect, then you're perfectly free to start a thread about it.

I'm sure you can find someone to debate you.






Lucylastic -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 9:50:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Of course I disagree with you as usual in that my facts are straight enough while its my opinion that yours are totally askew but I do agree with you that this poor dead horse has suffered enough. No hard feelings on my part towards you, though.

You have a good night Lucy.



Water off a ducks back my dear chap.... you cant hurt something that doesnt exist.
quwack
Lucy




rulemylife -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 9:59:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nemesys


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

So why did you go into Iraq, then?


Why don't you ask these folks?


Why don't you ask this guy?  Who had first-hand, present-time knowledge that the Bush administration chose to ignore.


U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration

BERKELEY – Speaking on the anniversary of the United States' invasion of Iraq, originally declared as a pre-emptive strike against a madman ready to deploy weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), the man first charged with finding those weapons said that the U.S. government has "the same mind frame as the witch hunters of the past" — looking for evidence to support a foregone conclusion.

"There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981 to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. "We went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in three cases did we find something" - a stash of nuclear documents, some Vulcan boosters, and several empty warheads for chemical weapons.

More inspections were required to determine whether these findings were the "tip of the iceberg" or simply fragments remaining from that deadly iceberg's past destruction, Blix said he told the United Nations Security Council. However, his work in Iraq was cut short when the United States and the United Kingdom took disarmament into their own hands in March of last year.

Blix accused U.S. President George W. Bush and U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair of acting not in bad faith, but with a severe lack of "critical thinking." The United States and Britain failed to examine the sources of their primary intelligence - Iraqi defectors with their own agendas for encouraging regime change - with a skeptical eye, he alleged.

In the buildup to the war, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis were cooperating with U.N. inspections, and in February 2003 had provided Blix's team with the names of hundreds of scientists to interview, individuals Saddam claimed had been involved in the destruction of banned weapons. Had the inspections been allowed to continue, Blix said, there would likely be a very different situation in Iraq today. As it was, America's pre-emptive, unilateral actions "have bred more terrorism there and elsewhere."









ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 10:58:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
That's pretty telling, but not at all surprising. I just proved you were lying, and your response is to shrug it off and refuse to admit you did anything wrong. I don't think any further comment is necessary on that point.


You caught me lying, hmm? [sm=lol.gif]

Here's a link to the post in which Lucy linked to that thread and blew that can of worms wide open:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2890719


Yeah - exactly. Her post is in response to your mentioning that earlier thread. She even quotes you in it, for christ's sake. She was responding to you; so when you say that you were responding to her, you're lying. Again, do you really think people are too stupid to scroll back 3 pages and figure out that Post #111 comes before Post #113?


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Why are you so upset about that post of yours being mentioned anyway Panda? Why don't you just let it drop. Your bitter and toxic protests are way out of proportion to what is being discussed here.



Classic. Just classic. You want me to let it drop? You're the one who brought it up! You brought it up, then posted no fewer than 12 posts crying about it over the next 2 pages until I finally told you to grow up and stop your whining. And  you tell me to let it drop?


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
But I'm still waiting to hear your response to my question about all the objections you must have raised to the Republican Party suggesting that Democrats were planning to deny Republicans health care on the basis of their party affiliation. What's taking you so long?






Whats taking so long? Well, first of all I don't typically read all of your posts so I wasn't even aware that you had been harassing me.


Oh, yeah, Saint Sanity the Martyr again. That was predictable. What would any thread be without you whining that you're being "harrassed?"



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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And second, if I begin giving in to such bullying tactics and begin kow towing to every antagonistic poster's demands that I personally answer his or her every petty nagging question, where will it ever end?

And besides, I don't speak for the Republican party and I won't be held accountable for every flyer some county committee prints out on a home computer somewhere.


Still more bullshit. It wasn't "some county committee," it was the Republican National Committee that sent out that mailing. As you well know. And you said yourself that "what I am doing is objecting to their hateful speech which any reasonable person should. If they were in my party saying things like that I would do the same thing... "

Those were your exact words. I'm calling you out and asking you to substantiate your claim. The national leadership of the republican party sent out a mailing suggesting that democrats might deny health care to republicans, and you said that if anyone on your side said anything like that, you'd speak out against it. So put up or shut up - where's your condemnation of the republican party?


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I suppose that if you are absolutely dying to have your absolutely earth-shaking question answered though, and this isn't about harassing me as I suspect, then you're perfectly free to start a thread about it.

I'm sure you can find someone to debate you.


And that was predictable as well. Every time I back you into a corner, you pull the same card. Play the martyr and refuse to stand up for your words because I'm "picking on you." If you don't have the integrity to take responsibility for what you say, maybe you should forget about politics and find a message board that's focused on discussing quilting or scrapbooking. Might be more your speed.




Sanity -> RE: Uncivil War: Conservatives to challenge a dozen GOP candidates (11/8/2009 11:04:34 AM)


Why don't you chill out a little bit. Is this really what you come here for?




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