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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:25:28 PM

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ooooh it was that bad huh?

Not that it was all that bad but rather there is her opinion and there is my opinion.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:28:27 PM

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And the flight from justice is just a silly fine and a slap on the wrist i suppose?

A little irony....how fitting....I would hazard a guess that it is Polanski's position that he was fleeing injustice.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:33:09 PM

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He has to appear in court to withdraw. You will also notice that the remaining charges were never dismissed, per that agreement, that they were not going to be dismissed until after sentencing. He plead guilty to a felony sexual assualt charge. He was remanded to a psych hospital for evaluation. The Judge, could have at the time of sentencing, based upon the Drs reports, changed the sentence. Thats why Polanski left. He heard the sentence would not be as light as he was "supposedly" promised. But, if you also notice in the transcript, Polanski and his lawyers both agreed that Polanksi was offered nothing in return for his guilty please. He left before sentencing. He was informed of all the potential outcomes of his plea. All charges are still pending.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:34:28 PM

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And the flight from justice is just a silly fine and a slap on the wrist i suppose?

A little irony....how fitting....I would hazard a guess that it is Polanski's position that he was fleeing injustice.

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I would love to hear how you view this as an injustice.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:45:02 PM

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I would love to hear how you view this as an injustice

Where have I said that I view it as an injustice?

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:46:20 PM

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Your assumption that he would view it as such is a good indication.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:51:04 PM

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He has to appear in court to withdraw. You will also notice that the remaining charges were never dismissed, per that agreement, that they were not going to be dismissed until after sentencing. He plead guilty to a felony sexual assualt charge. He was remanded to a psych hospital for evaluation. The Judge, could have at the time of sentencing, based upon the Drs reports, changed the sentence. Thats why Polanski left. He heard the sentence would not be as light as he was "supposedly" promised. But, if you also notice in the transcript, Polanski and his lawyers both agreed that Polanksi was offered nothing in return for his guilty please. He left before sentencing. He was informed of all the potential outcomes of his plea. All charges are still pending.

I am sure you must have point but so far you have failed to articulate it.
As for your statment that "all charges are still pending" Just how would one go about prosecuting him. The only witness against him has publically stated that she would not testify against him if he were to be brought back.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:52:47 PM

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Your assumption that he would view it as such is a good indication.

Mind reading should only be attempted by professionls.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 7:59:04 PM

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Professional mind reading....where does one go for that sort of training?

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:01:41 PM

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At this point, the flight from justice is more pressing than the other charges.

-CITE-
18 USC Sec. 1073 01/05/2009

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 49 - FUGITIVES FROM JUSTICE

-HEAD-
Sec. 1073. Flight to avoid prosecution or giving testimony

-STATUTE-
Whoever moves or travels in interstate or foreign commerce with
intent either (1) to avoid prosecution, or custody or confinement
after conviction, under the laws of the place from which he flees,
for a crime, or an attempt to commit a crime, punishable by death
or which is a felony under the laws of the place from which the
fugitive flees, or (2) to avoid giving testimony in any criminal
proceedings in such place in which the commission of an offense
punishable by death or which is a felony under the laws of such
place, is charged, or (3) to avoid service of, or contempt
proceedings for alleged disobedience of, lawful process requiring
attendance and the giving of testimony or the production of
documentary evidence before an agency of a State empowered by the
law of such State to conduct investigations of alleged criminal
activities, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than five years, or both. For the purposes of clause (3) of this
paragraph, the term "State" includes a State of the United States,
the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or
possession of the United States.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C49.txt

He would have faced less time had he stayed.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:08:02 PM

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Far be it from me to defend Polanski,having been a victim of abuse while I was a minor...beleive me I hold no class of offender in less regard...but Polanski did beleive a deal was agreed to and that the Judge ,who was apparently seeking publicity was set to disregard all such negotiations and the pre-trial probation report.
Not sure if I would have stuck around in his shoes.
By the way Tazzy when pleading it is par for the course to state that nothing has been promised beforehand....this is almost always bullshit....boilerplate legal necessity.
No one pleads without a deal in place.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:12:21 PM

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The only concession made was that the other charges would be dismissed at sentencing. Polanski agreed that the Judge could, at any time, change the plea agreement, and that, at that time, Polanski also agreed that he could change his plea.

I think he is scum of the earth, and deserves everything they can throw at him. If the victim doesnt testify, she doesnt have too, according to the above statute. He can still be charged and convicted of a flight from justice and serve up to 5 years.

People seem to want to make this a .. poor man... charge because the Judge may have changed his mind. Dont forget, if Polanski had not fucked a 13 year old girl... his admission... then there would have been no changes to make. I have no sympathy for him at all.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:25:23 PM

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Easy Tazz....I will lose no sleep worrying over Polanski.None at all.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:26:51 PM

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Sorry. Its sickening to watch people make excuses for him.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:41:12 PM

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Yeah a little talent(Chinatown is a great film) and being a little old man at this late date.....not to mention a very convincing HBO documentary...and one can forget at heart there is nothing mre to this than child abuse.My apologies.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 8:56:36 PM

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All I have defended is logic and rational thought.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 9:54:17 PM

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The problem is that it becomes much more difficult to attain a conviction after long passage of time. Memories fade, evidence deteriorates or disappears etc. Trial in absentia is just the flipside of a right to a speedy trial and is totally appropriate.

Yes, time is usually not on the side of the prosecuters, but like I said - it sucks that bastards who deserve to be convicted, escape conviction sometimes.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/7/2009 10:06:23 PM

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It always fascinates me when people whine about foreign countries' justice systems when their own is corrupt and fucked up beyond belief. Time to get a grip on reality: justice is a noble aspiration that remains a goal... at best... and everywhere.

If you are refering to me, I am not whining about other countries' justice system. I am stating a personal belief about one aspect of human rights. I guess you could say that I am whining about every countries' justice system. I agree with your statement that justice is a nobel aspiration that remains a goal. It is one we should continualy pursure but with the knowledge that perfection is not to be had (not so long as the human race is involved in it). So, how do we get as close to perfection as we can? By clearly defining our rights and strictly adhering to them. No exception for people we don't like, no matter what our excuse. I am under no delusions that we will ever get there - certainly not in my life time - But I remain cautiously optomistic.

Now I'm going to go look for an honest man in Parliment.

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RE: those silly Italians judges! - 11/8/2009 7:10:30 AM

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