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breatheasone -> beating (11/5/2009 9:06:00 AM)

Why? i assume everyone in a D/s and or BDSM relationship is at least 18. So why do some "D" types feel the need to beat their "s" type as punishment? i for instance am a 46 year old, reasonably intelligent, grown woman, i feel like i respond well to conversation. Why is it necessary to beat a reasonable adult as punishment? Or are the "D" types that beat or spank their "s" types doing that because they have "s" types that can't be reasoned with?




MasterAramis -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 9:14:51 AM)

Wow you are a busy girl today. I have seen numerous threads come in from you. I haven't gone through them all, but if they are all related then perhaps this answer won't be helpful.

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i am needing some prayer(if you are so inclined) i am dealing with some issues like, despair, fear, loneliness. i am having some really hard times right now. PLEASE pray for me. i have tried to talk to my Master....and will continue to try. Any advice on talking would be helpful.



Is the above driving this thread?

My comments:

Not all dominants use physical punishment to train a slave. You cannot get what you need from someone by fear if you truly wish for the realtionship to work. However, Dominants like their submissive counterparts are just human and suffer from the same frailties that you do.

Your Master was brought up probably around the same time I was, and during those times parents used physical punishment as a motivator if you will. Your Master, if that indeed is who you are talking about, is perhaps drawing upon what he was programmed to use regardless of the fact that your are a grown woman and capable of reasoning.

However you need to ask yourself, what is it that you did that would draw such emotion from him? While his behavior may not be something you understand, perhaps if you understood what caused it and deal with that first. Then it might be easier to demonstrate to him that you are not in need of such punishment.

In closing you give very few details in order to comment properly. However, communication is really a good place to start.

Aramis




CollaredLisa -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 9:15:53 AM)

That's actually something I've wondered about as well... I don't really get beating as a punishment, it already didn't help at all the very few times it was done to me as a child, so why would it help any now? Though, to be honest, I also don't get other types of punishment... talking should help, you'd think.
Anyway... I guess you might see it as an option to really get something through to someone about an something that keeps coming up... I don't really know, but I'm really curious about the other answers ^^




frazzle -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 9:26:28 AM)

Occasionally he will use "beating" as a punishment, and yes it works even on a masochist. My head is def not in enjoy space.

Usually he talks to me, asks whats going on, as i dont deliberately disobey.

Now and again its just to reinforce and get my head back where it belongs, and yes it works.

Punishment such as "lines, essay writing etc" I'm not a child and wont be treated as one.




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 9:40:10 AM)

OP:
for me the "beatings' are SENSATION play agreed upon by us...
awakenings...
I want to flog...cane..etc as an energy form for fuel for many areas of my life,,
HE accepts and desires the sensation for fuel for submission
 
It is EROTIC in nature how we interact.I can only speak for us.
I have used caning to correct and make a point...using auditory..visual and the FEELING of the cane.
WHY?
Its how we "roll" and it is consensual
 
No one can know the deep erotic connection  felt when riding the waves of two in a sensation session UNLESS they have been there...
and it is different for each "couple"

 
GM




LadyPact -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 10:00:13 AM)

I don't use corporal punishment.  Beating is for fun and I like it remaining that way.

The rare times I have punished, trust Me, the boy would have rather had a beating.




MercTech -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 10:18:01 AM)

My girl and I have discussed this.  There are times that she gets in a frenetic irrational mood and NEEDS physical punishment to stabilize.  Her caps, not mine.  We have a specific implement and place for "punishment" as opposed to rough playtime.

Stefan




agirl -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 10:24:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Why? i assume everyone in a D/s and or BDSM relationship is at least 18. So why do some "D" types feel the need to beat their "s" type as punishment? i for instance am a 46 year old, reasonably intelligent, grown woman, i feel like i respond well to conversation. Why is it necessary to beat a reasonable adult as punishment? Or are the "D" types that beat or spank their "s" types doing that because they have "s" types that can't be reasoned with?


I'm beaten because it works. If there was something else that did the job better then he'd have chosen that.

He's a reasonable chap and I'm a fairly reasonable girl.........It depends on the WHO the WHAT and the WHY.

I was perfectly aware years ago, that if I deliberately cross certain established lines then the result would be a beating. It's not as if I was oblivious to it. I know where the lines are and I've never been *punished* unexpectedly or resentfully.

People just have different drives and motivations for the way they relate in relationships and the behaviours within them. How people process *consequences* varies hugely. I haven't had the same method of *consequences* for all of my children. What worked for one, wasn't the best for another.

The fact is, I'm in agreement with his *methods*. I am aware that they work, even if I don't particularly like them at the time. If there was any resentment about the way we relate and respond to each other, THAT would be a problem.

agirl






DesFIP -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:04:41 AM)

To assuage guilt frequently.
To prevent guilt even more frequently. Talk it out, figure out the problem, have a quick corporal punishment so the s type doesn't wallow in guilt.

He's done it once to relieve guilt for me. I needed it then. Now that we live together, I don't get that bent out of shape guiltwise so he doesn't do it.




Mercnbeth -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:28:48 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~


There has not been a reason for a "beating" or punishment in our relationship in well over 6 years. More a representation of compatibility along with clear, consistent and ongoing communication regarding responsibilities and expectations than anything else. However, as is the case with most new relationships there was a time or two or three when punishment, which I'll assume is what's being labeled as "beating" by the OP. The need for punishment wasn't for retribution. It wasn't for revenge or even getting even. It sure wasn't 'play' and most definitely not a 'scene'.

Physical punishment represented the end of the problem. It was the period at the end of a pre-punishment clarifying dialog. In other words it represented the problem was over and behind us.

Notice the reference to "us". The cause of the problem needing resolution by punishment isn't disclosing a failure by the submissive in the relationship. The need for punishment represents a failure on the part of BOTH parties. The Dominant didn't convey the importance of the issue. The submissive didn't comprehend, or put the proper priority, on the rules set within the dynamic. It is a condition that must be resolved before the relationship can move forward and thrive.

We accomplished this by trying to get to the cause. This isn't accomplished through a monologue and is especially not corrected by berating by the Dominant or rationalizing by the submissive. It is an opportunity to benchmark definitions used, and hopefully discussed, when there were no problems during the new relationship frenzy when everything was perfect and saying "SURE!" and "ABSOLUTELY!" where the only responses given to questions about whatever rules, rituals, and responsibilities were included in the relationship dynamic. Worse case, as often happens when frenzy gives way to reality, these discussions result in the relationship being over. "I can't do this!" "I didn't know you meant this would be a rule ALL THE TIME!" "I can't keep focused"; those words can come from either side of the paddle. Ideally though the talking and the tears shared serve to clarify and benchmark a re-commitment to the common relationship goals. Once getting to that point of the discussion the bad situation ends up providing a strong building block for progressing the relationship to higher plateaus and peaks. But there is still something more required; people have to move on.

The "beating" becomes the final shared communion that we have moved on. From experience, granted it was a long time ago, the physical "beating" was never close to a level obtained in play scenes or even regular daily intercourse. I could beat beth with a feather and generate tears. However those tears are cathartic; washing away whatever problem or issue was involved. Then it's over - forever. It isn't stored in memory by either party to use on the other. It isn't relationship coinage to be used against the submissive somewhere down the road.

That's the "WHY" for us. Obviously, this is just our dogma regarding the issue. We both see the need for punishment as failure. We both avoid it and protect each other from having to experience it. We LOVE our intense physical, and painful, play. We BOTH get too much pleasure experiencing it at our respective side of the paddle to have it associated with punishment with represents failure.

Thus far; it's worked very well for us.




breatheasone -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:32:04 AM)

Master and i enjoy beatings(me receiving, Him giving) Its a HUGE turn on to me for many reasons. So i'm not opposed to getting beaten, i rather enjoy it. i am just not understanding why two Adults can't talk an issue out and resolve it. Do some grown up people just NEED to get beat/spanked, and cannot "get the message" through conversation?




breatheasone -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:37:09 AM)

Merc, thanks for the great explanation. Its cool that there are as many different couples as there are stars in the sky.... i ask questions because i truly want to understand. 




aldompdx -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:54:45 AM)

Yes, it seems odd that domination type personalities would want to beat sadism type personalities. Perhaps it is a competition of egos. Or, do you mean switch type personalities? Or, supportive? Or, steady?




breatheasone -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 11:56:59 AM)

But i am specifically speaking of punishment, not beating in general. (which is TO ME a whole different category)




Wantstocontrolu -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 12:47:58 PM)

Some do, Some don't.
Some submissives wilt at a look, some need to be beaten.





ranja -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 12:50:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Master and i enjoy beatings(me receiving, Him giving) Its a HUGE turn on to me for many reasons. So i'm not opposed to getting beaten, i rather enjoy it. i am just not understanding why two Adults can't talk an issue out and resolve it. Do some grown up people just NEED to get beat/spanked, and cannot "get the message" through conversation?


For us it is because in some situations i just end up nagging and He will be quietly very annoyed... and the issue will not get resolved at all (even if it is of any importance) it is just soooo much better for both of us when He is kind enough to shut me up with a good pinch or hard slap or spanking or something... and i think it is far more grown up to sort the situation out than to childishly go on quarreling.




agirl -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 1:42:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Master and i enjoy beatings(me receiving, Him giving) Its a HUGE turn on to me for many reasons. So i'm not opposed to getting beaten, i rather enjoy it. i am just not understanding why two Adults can't talk an issue out and resolve it. Do some grown up people just NEED to get beat/spanked, and cannot "get the message" through conversation?


The *message* is loud and clear. There are certain rules that I'm meant to abide by .... have pretty much always had to abide by, and they are good and worthy *rules* , entirely for my benefit. The fact is , there are times when I DON'T abide by them. I *stray* from the path , so to speak.

I know what I SHOULD be doing and occasionally don't do it. It's that simple. There's no need to waste his or my time talking about it. We both already know what should have been done. I pay the penalty for dashing around the field like a mad thing, and we move right on. No resentment, no grumbles, no bad feelings on either side. I already KNOW what the price will be for having my head.

Why do I do it? Because I don't always like having to live within my *bounds* and occasionally I kick up the traces and want to do what I want to do enough to be able to ignore the *penalty*...at that time. I'm not a big *pleaser*.

People don't all *work* in the same way.

agirl








MasterSlaveLA -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 2:13:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

... why do some "D" types feel the need to beat their "s" type as punishment?



DUH... because both enjoy a punishment dynamic!





breatheasone -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 2:33:41 PM)

But i'm confused as to why punishment is fun.




mnottertail -> RE: beating (11/5/2009 2:35:07 PM)

would you like me to beat the answer into you?

LOL




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