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willbeurdaddy -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 5:15:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

I was going to try to explain further why heathcare is not like every other product.  But I'm going to be busy now looking for all the BOGO sales and service coupons from my local heathcare providers.

COMPETITION.  Docs, at least where I live, do not compete for my healthcare dollar.  They turn away new patients.  I've never had Pep Boys tell me they cannot rotate my tires because they have enough customers already.


Well I can't say how it is in Florida, but doctors and hospitals in Michigan advertise all the time.

"Do you have a Beaumont doctor?"


As they do in NJ, NY, NV and CA.




Lorr47 -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 6:10:07 PM)

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You might also note that whoever posted that, me, Firm, other conservatives on this board, and other conservatives elsewhere do not have a single mind on every issue. When you post something that says "conservatives do this/conservatives say this/conservatives want this" you are already full of shit.


Then how do you explain the 100 % voting block on everything from the banking industry rules to the health care reform issues.  Oh I forgot lobbyists, money and K street along with a dearth of anything resembling  patriotism.  Maybe the citizens will be able to someday save enough to buy a conservative vote.




rulemylife -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 8:15:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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You might also note that whoever posted that, me, Firm, other conservatives on this board, and other conservatives elsewhere do not have a single mind on every issue. When you post something that says "conservatives do this/conservatives say this/conservatives want this" you are already full of shit.


Then how do you explain the 100 % voting block on everything from the banking industry rules to the health care reform issues.  Oh I forgot lobbyists, money and K street along with a dearth of anything resembling  patriotism.  Maybe the citizens will be able to someday save enough to buy a conservative vote.



Interesting question.

How do the Republicans manage to keep their party in lock-step?

Meanwhile, the Democrats, having some diversity in the party, then are routinely criticized for having a bare majority and not being able to accomplish their goals.

And amazingly enough, are criticized by conservatives for not passing legislation they oppose.




rulemylife -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 8:27:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


And once again, a RML inability to read or need to spin. The quote doesnt complain about the authorization of money for flu vaccine, which is what you are trying to claim. It complains about the INABILITY TO DO A SIMPLE FUCKING THING WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS AUTHORIZED.

You might also note that whoever posted that, me, Firm, other conservatives on this board, and other conservatives elsewhere do not have a single mind on every issue. When you post something that says "conservatives do this/conservatives say this/conservatives want this" you are already full of shit.


You know Willbeur, maybe you ought to think about some anger management classes.

Because I, for one, am getting real tired of listening to your insults.  Which you not only direct at me but everyone on these boards.

If you want to discuss an issue, even argue it, I'm sure you can take a deep breath and try to do it in a civil manner.





cuckoldmepls -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 8:30:48 PM)

OBAMACARE ENDORSEMENTS: WHAT THE BRIBE WAS

As the suicidal Democratic congressmen proceed to rubber-stamp the Obama healthcare reform despite the drubbing their party took in the '09 elections, the president trotted out the endorsements of the AMA and the AARP to stimulate support. But these -- and the other endorsements -- his package has received are all bought and paid for.

Here are the deals:
* The American Medical Association (AMA) was facing a 21 percent cut in physicians' reimbursements under the current law. Obama promised to kill the cut if they backed his bill. The cuts are the fruit of a law requiring annual 5-6 percent reductions in doctor reimbursements for treating Medicare patients. Bravely, each year Congress has rolled the cuts over, suspending them but not repealing them. So each year, the accumulated cuts threaten doctors. By now, they have risen to 21 percent. With this blackmail leverage, Obama compelled the AMA to support his bill...or else!
* The AARP got a financial windfall in return for its support of the healthcare bill. Over the past decade, the AARP has morphed from an advocacy group to an insurance company (through its subsidiary company). It is one of the main suppliers of Medi-gap insurance, a high-cost, privately purchased coverage that picks up where Medicare leaves off. But President Bush-43 passed the Medicare Advantage program, which offered a subsidized, lower-cost alternative to Medi-gap. Under Medicare Advantage, the elderly get all the extra coverage they need plus coordinated, well-managed care, usually by the same physician. So more than 10 million seniors went with Medicare Advantage, cutting into AARP Medi-gap revenues.
Presto! Obama solved their problem. He eliminates subsidies for Medicare Advantage. The elderly will have to pay more for coverage under Medigap, but the AARP -- which supposedly represents them -- will make more money. (If this galls you, join the American Seniors Association, the alternative group; contact [email protected]. This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .)
* The drug industry backed ObamaCare and, in return, got a 10-year limit of $80 billion on cuts in prescription drug costs. (A drop in the bucket of their almost $3 trillion projected cost over the next decade.) They also got administration assurances that it will continue to bar lower-cost Canadian drugs from coming into the U.S. All it had to do was put its formidable advertising budget at the disposal of the administration.
* Insurance companies got access to 40 million potential new customers. But when the Senate Finance Committee lowered the fine that would be imposed on those who don't buy insurance from $3,500 to $1,500, the insurance companies jumped ship and now oppose the bill, albeit for the worst of motives.
The only industry that refused to knuckle under was the medical device makers. They stood for principle and wouldn't go along with Obama's blackmail. So the Senate Finance Committee retaliated by imposing a tax on medical devices such as automated wheelchairs, pacemakers, arterial stents, prosthetic limbs, artificial knees and hips and other necessary accoutrements of healthcare.
So these endorsements are not freely given, but bought and paid for by an administration that is intent on passing its program at any cost.

This link will give you 5 requirements for real healthcare reform. The democrats are just throwing money at a problem. http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html




rulemylife -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/15/2009 8:41:29 PM)

Am I happy with everything that has transpired with the health care plan?  No.

In fact, I'm pretty angry about some of what Obama and the Democrats caved into.

But when you look at it in a realistic light sometimes compromise is necessary.




thishereboi -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/16/2009 8:35:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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You might also note that whoever posted that, me, Firm, other conservatives on this board, and other conservatives elsewhere do not have a single mind on every issue. When you post something that says "conservatives do this/conservatives say this/conservatives want this" you are already full of shit.


Then how do you explain the 100 % voting block on everything from the banking industry rules to the health care reform issues.  Oh I forgot lobbyists, money and K street along with a dearth of anything resembling  patriotism.  Maybe the citizens will be able to someday save enough to buy a conservative vote.



So, when did the conservatives on CM get voting rights?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/16/2009 1:34:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


And once again, a RML inability to read or need to spin. The quote doesnt complain about the authorization of money for flu vaccine, which is what you are trying to claim. It complains about the INABILITY TO DO A SIMPLE FUCKING THING WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS AUTHORIZED.

You might also note that whoever posted that, me, Firm, other conservatives on this board, and other conservatives elsewhere do not have a single mind on every issue. When you post something that says "conservatives do this/conservatives say this/conservatives want this" you are already full of shit.


You know Willbeur, maybe you ought to think about some anger management classes.

Because I, for one, am getting real tired of listening to your insults.  Which you not only direct at me but everyone on these boards.

If you want to discuss an issue, even argue it, I'm sure you can take a deep breath and try to do it in a civil manner.




mirror mirror on the wall. Lying about what someone said is the ultimate insult. You're getting tired of a lot of things it seems. Sounds like its time for you to get some fresh air, and maybe some honest debating techniques at the same time.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/16/2009 1:40:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


Then how do you explain the 100 % voting block on everything from the banking industry rules to the health care reform issues




First, that generally isnt true, second everyone votes based on the lesser evils, so even when it appears there is unanimity, that doesnt imply agreement on every aspect of a bill.




thishereboi -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/16/2009 2:54:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


Then how do you explain the 100 % voting block on everything from the banking industry rules to the health care reform issues




First, that generally isnt true, second everyone votes based on the lesser evils, so even when it appears there is unanimity, that doesnt imply agreement on every aspect of a bill.



If your going to pick one sentence out of my post to reply to, maybe you should pick one I actually wrote.




mnottertail -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/16/2009 2:55:07 PM)

LOL,

Happens to us all, thb. Happens to us all.

Ron




redlinda7 -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/21/2010 3:01:24 AM)

I want the goverment to have my back. I want them involved in anything made, built, sold, bought. in my country




DomYngBlk -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/21/2010 7:24:31 AM)

That is a pretty "radical" idea linda. Are you sure you aren't some sort of commie?




thornhappy -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/21/2010 4:32:13 PM)

Yup.  A commie marxist fascist.

Or maybe a troll, who knows?




tazzygirl -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/21/2010 7:17:35 PM)

This thread is 10 months old.




rulemylife -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/21/2010 9:25:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This thread is 10 months old.


And aging like fine wine.




DomYngBlk -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/22/2010 11:48:05 AM)

Shows Cuckold to be as big an idiot then as he is now.




mnottertail -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (9/22/2010 11:59:56 AM)

he has ten months more of neo-con blogs to plagarize, there is something to be said for experience.




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