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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

All it took was what...about a hundred years(how long ago did Teddy Roosevelt call for health care reform...it's late and I'm too tired)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

A hundred years and still only passed by five votes. Not much of a victory, I'm afraid. I don't see any way right now that it ever gets through the Senate, in any meaningful form.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

A hundred years and still only passed by five votes. Not much of a victory, I'm afraid. I don't see any way right now that it ever gets through the Senate, in any meaningful form.

I'm not so sure...I believe the Democrats see the writing on the wall...They now realize they will not have the super majority after the upcoming mid-term elections… if they can even maintain a majority. It is now or never for healthcare. I think they get it done for just this reason.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Including those opposing it?

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the public option is unconstitutional and conservatives may decide to defeat this in the courts. At the very least they can privatize it in the future.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This means that 90% of the laws and agencies Congress has passed and created are unconstitutional.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I hate to burst your bubble, but the public option is unconstitutional and conservatives may decide to defeat this in the courts. At the very least they can privatize it in the future.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This means that 90% of the laws and agencies Congress has passed and created are unconstitutional. You can't create something that is unconstitutional to create in the first place then claim it falls under the Interstate Commerce Clause after you created it.

I for one believe that the only people who deserve assistance from the government are those who are unemployed, chronically ill, handicapped, and senior citizens. Everyone else must be forced to live within their means. This means you must pay for your own healthcare, not buy a new car with the money you should have used for healthcare.

This is a very dangerous path the house has decided to travel, and it will result in complete collapse of our economy. When you start handing out freebies, everyone gets in line for more. There's no possible way we can have half the population on social security while the other 25% are on some kind of government assistance. We can't afford that.

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are those who are unemployed, chronically ill, handicapped, and senior citizens.

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The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

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At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

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To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

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The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacked two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink was far from clear.

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Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

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The nation's drug companies generally support health care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.

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A Republican alternative was rejected on a near party line vote of 258-176.

It relied heavily on loosening regulations on private insurers to reduce costs for those who currently have insurance, in some cases by as much as 10 percent. But congressional budget analysts said the plan would make no dent in the ranks of the uninsured, an assessment that highlighted the difference in priorities between the two political parties.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

This is a very dangerous path the house has decided to travel, and it will result in complete collapse of our economy. When you start handing out freebies, everyone gets in line for more. There's no possible way we can have half the population on social security while the other 25% are on some kind of government assistance. We can't afford that.