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lusciouslips19 -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:10:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I don't disagree that faith is a personal thing, Master Icarys. But I do question the authority of anyone who does not study the bible, or any other religious text, openly admits to such whether male or female. Determining false prophacy and teachings is an important part of ones individual faith. And if I was a christian, I would be very nervous indeed, had I to face him on the day and use the excuse 'I didn't bother to look deeper'. Salvation maybe through christ, but I would not want to take the chance and guess that he might tollerate tardiness or laziness. I do not deny that the bible teaches female submission. But it also does not openly insist that women cannot be teachers, or prophets. It teaches them to be submissive. It teaches them to be gentle and peaceful. But it does not teach them silence. I would definitely agree with you then. The bible was written by man not God. Each version is a reflection of the time and what was going on politically. If you read the different gospels they take christianity further and further from its roots as jews who happen to believe jesus was the messiah. The story and tone slightly changes. Whether or not one believes in the bible, or God, I believe that religion does serve a vital role in family. Being jewish the traditions of the religion unite our family at holiday time and community is enphasized in religion. Coming together at holiday time creates a cohesive family. I have seen families without religious traditions not really come together for a purpose. So is theres no religion perhaps no Gatherings to see family at christmas, rosh hashanah or some other holiday or festival time.

RCdc -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:12:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue heh. Now if you'd had an animated traffic warden I really would have filled my boots. You are fortunate... I don't have that. I do have this... [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/22/article-1126581-0324A7E8000005DC-242_468x332.jpg[/image] [:D]... hey - it's relevant! the.dark.

Icarys -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:14:37 AM)
I personally believe in both creationism and evolutionism and don't for a second have the first bit of proof. I just don't see why they can't both exist. God created the first spark of life and guided it from there.(evolution.). The funny thing to me is nobody has empirical knowledge one way or another. We can come to conclusions through science for certain facts(which I'm a big believer in) but we don't know everything. I realize that's a touch off topic but since someone earlier mentioned ism's I threw that out there lol. Bottom line for me is beliefs are just that..Some are fact based and others are faith based. Doesn't make either one less valid in my eyes.

Icarys -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:20:53 AM)
Funny [:D]

RapierFugue -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:20:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue heh. Now if you'd had an animated traffic warden I really would have filled my boots. You are fortunate... I don't have that. I do have this... [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/22/article-1126581-0324A7E8000005DC-242_468x332.jpg[/image] [:D]... hey - it's relevant! Nice! I'd love to see a traffic warden crucified. It'd make my day. My year in fact.

rulemylife -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:29:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark rule, your question is all cool but that doesn't mean you get to drop your part of this. 'faiths' are not the same as 'religious sects' - are you saying that you made an initial error in using the word 'faith'? And whilst your question has merit, I am still waiting for the list of examples of faiths you said you were happy to provide. the.dark. Yes they are in the sense that many faiths have specific sects that believe differently. You can take Catholicism for example. There are liberal and conservative sects within the church that are often at odds over many issues. Catholics that adhere to a strict interpretation of church law believe that God chooses the Pope through the divine inspiration of the Cardinals who elect him, and because of that divine inspiration the Pope's judgment is infallible. The Pope is supposedly God's conduit on Earth. You can also look at the Lutheran Church which has several divisions, the most prominent split being the evangelical Lutherans who maintain that the creation of man occurred six thousand years ago based on their interpretations of the Bible. And they also have some fascinating explanations to try to disprove the contrary evidence.

rulemylife -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 8:54:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Before you can "keep providing" them you'll have to start providing them. So by all means, get with it. Aside from Christianity, what other faiths are you referring to in that "many many faiths" claim of yours? The word "literal" does not appear in the body of the link you referred us to in citing the Mormons as Biblical literalists (amusing though the idea is). Biblical literalism is by no means the mainstream Protestant view, Slate Magazine notwithstanding. And where literalism is fraudulently proclaimed to be legitimate, it is not applied consistently enough to qualify as even a flawed standard of intepretation. But hey, we can slide on the details. I don't want to compromise your inerrancy. [:D] K. I never said it was the "mainstream" view. Unfortunately it becomes how many end up viewing certain religions when fanatics of that religion come to the forefront. Sort of like what happened with the Republican Party. [sm=insane.gif]

badlilthang -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:07:04 PM)
quote: AHHHH!!!! I should have looked at your info. Of course youre an idiot and ungreatful Bastard. Your English. Dont worry, I wont say anything about how the U.S. saved your blimey asses during WWII. quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 spoken like a true, loving Christian...awwwwwww.. and my second and last comment in this thread...i have read so many excellent replies here - and all You do is to spew out bad language, call people names...and push on with your own agenda. May i suggest a little more comtemplating in silence and a lot less of this childish behaviour of yours?

philosophy -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 (of Afghanistan) I cant spell it, I do know where it is, I dont give a shit about the country ....how very Christian of you. i suggest you go back to your bible, read about the good Samaritan and then find out precisely what a Samaritan was.

MasterJack53 -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:37:22 PM)
and you can prove He was a rabbi how? and you can prove He was married to Mary Magdalane how? have you seen an historical document confirmin either? I know that some in the Bible called Him rabbi, and He did preach in the temple which would indicate He was accepted by the pharasies and scribes as a learned man but not neessarily a Rabbi.

MasterJack53 -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:39:46 PM)
and may I say that when I am personally attacked, called a liar and a fraud(as this guy did concerning my military service and historical facts) I respond in kind. It has nothing to do with my religion for if I literally interpeted the Bible I would have turned the other cheek and not said anything.

MasterJack53 -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:46:11 PM)
Samaria was a country dispised by many of the tribes in the old testement times hence a person from there would be a Samaritan. The meaning behind that story was that several GOOD people passed the injured traveler by while a dispised person went out of his way. to help him. everytime Ive heard this story in church that is the explanation they have given so haveing been in different churches and given the same explanation I guess I can say that this is the generally accepting meaning of the story. As for Afganistan I dont believe we are over there doing any thing for the people but conducting a war started by politicians. We are supposed to be over there looking for the people who flew the planes into the twin towers and the man that planned it and ordered it.

mnottertail -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:48:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 and you can prove He was a rabbi how? and you can prove He was married to Mary Magdalane how? have you seen an historical document confirmin either? I know that some in the Bible called Him rabbi, and He did preach in the temple which would indicate He was accepted by the pharasies and scribes as a learned man but not neessarily a Rabbi. Rabbi means teacher, ergo id est, he was a rabbi. they didnt hand out divinity shul certificates them days

RapierFugue -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:52:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 Samaria was a country dispised by many of the tribes in the old testement times hence a person from there would be a Samaritan. The meaning behind that story was that several GOOD people passed the injured traveler by while a dispised person went out of his way. to help him. everytime Ive heard this story in church that is the explanation they have given so haveing been in different churches and given the same explanation I guess I can say that this is the generally accepting meaning of the story. As for Afganistan I dont believe we are over there doing any thing for the people but conducting a war started by politicians. We are supposed to be over there looking for the people who flew the planes into the twin towers and the man that planned it and ordered it. heh ... it's like Sesame Street made a documentary [:D]

mnottertail -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:55:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 Samaria was a country dispised by many of the tribes in the old testement times hence a person from there would be a Samaritan. The meaning behind that story was that several GOOD people passed the injured traveler by while a dispised person went out of his way. to help him. everytime Ive heard this story in church that is the explanation they have given so haveing been in different churches and given the same explanation I guess I can say that this is the generally accepting meaning of the story. As for Afganistan I dont believe we are over there doing any thing for the people but conducting a war started by politicians. We are supposed to be over there looking for the people who flew the planes into the twin towers and the man that planned it and ordered it. Samaria was the capital city of Isreal, not a country. Samaritans were instructed in the Jewish tradition, and held the Torah as truth, but worshipped other gods as well. So the point of the story without all this veil of bullshit, is that many of his brethern passed him by, and an outsider stopped to help. They were heathens, unclean, but not particularly despised. All wars are started by politicians, nothing new in that. You keep on going, though.

RapierFugue -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:57:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail You keep on going, though. Seriously though; I've seen plenty of comedy pilots that weren't this funny.

mnottertail -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:59:04 PM)
'ere? when's the last time we 'ad uus a good religious comedy, then? Inquisition, wannit?

kittinSol -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 12:59:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJack53 Samaria was a country dispised by many of the tribes in the old testement times hence a person from there would be a Samaritan. The meaning behind that story was that several GOOD people passed the injured traveler by while a dispised person went out of his way. to help him. everytime Ive heard this story in church that is the explanation they have given so haveing been in different churches and given the same explanation I guess I can say that this is the generally accepting meaning of the story. As for Afganistan I dont believe we are over there doing any thing for the people but conducting a war started by politicians. We are supposed to be over there looking for the people who flew the planes into the twin towers and the man that planned it and ordered it. heh ... it's like Sesame Street made a documentary [:D] I've been following this thread in stealth since its beginning, but I just have to say how much joy it has brought me [8D] .

mnottertail -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 1:01:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I've been following this thread in stealth since its beginning, but I just have to say how much joy it has brought me [8D] . well, that is a great purpose of religion, innit? You've been saved then, aventcha?

RapierFugue -> RE: Jesus Camp (11/12/2009 1:04:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail 'ere? when's the last time we 'ad uus a good religious comedy, then? Inquisition, wannit? The Mormons? [;)] Dum dum dum dum duuuuuum!

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