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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/16/2009 5:02:17 AM   
GYPSYMAMBO


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OP:
These are all aspects OF YOU so valid and not wrong..

I too am similar ..in real extremes..I am hard core sadistic and very very loving...
MY 4 husbands( over 20+ years) POLY..knew that Mistress corrected..disciplined..ruled..and Big mama made it better..

I mentored their creativity and reddened their asses.
I supported their projects and flogged them silly.
I led them to the garden where we grew things together and whipped them in the garden shed.
They received gifts..and knew they were beloved and cherished.
I created a strict..environment in which we all lived a harmonious life.

enough of  I .. I... I...
I .. oops assume you are similar..YOU GO GIRL
 
As of others have said  the subs desires MUST match the DOMMES STYLE and all works well



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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/16/2009 5:04:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

LOL.. so it all boils down to who holds the remote! Lifetime channel here we come... I'm proving my dominance! I can live with that. hehe


if you want to take it one step further and put someone in "electronic entertainment chastity" you could also disable the buttons on the television itself and get one of those remotes that require an access code to use =p



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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/16/2009 9:08:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsLillyKate



I am a Domme, I've always considered myself one. I consider myself the loving, caring, looking after sort, who gets disciplinary when I need to. I'm lesbian and often treat my subs like my g/f's who I own. I dont believe in the types who are constantly putting their sub down and from what I've noticed, there are too many Domme wannabe's....let alone on this site.

Getting back to my issue.....I understand the lifestyle very well....I know how to conduct myself etc. One aspect which is worrying me alot is that I find myself sometimes too empathetic.... I find myself going out of my way to please my sub. It sounds odd but I have gone out of my way alot in the past with ex subs, sometimes overly empathetic...sometimes finding myself wanting to snuggle with them when they've wanted something rougher....

Do you think that this is a weak aspect of a Domme?....I adore being in this lifestyle.....but I sometimes wonder If  Im really cut out to be in it. Im currently subless, though Im getting close to a particular sub on here..and she adores me for me....but my concern is a general one.

Thank you.




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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

There is no reason you cannot have all aspects described in your personality.

I can be the snuggliest, most gentle and motherly sort there is, or, if there is a specific energy with someone, wickedly sadistic. Can be both with the same person even.

As others have already said, it's all about being genuine to yourself


I agree, and try not to let stereotypes define you. It shouldn't be your job to be everything to everyone. Don't pretend to be someone other than you. Besides, how long can you go on mimicking the person you're not? We can't be compatible with everyone, so just be who you are. The key is to find someone compatible enough with you, or someone willing to work out incompatibilities with you.

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/16/2009 11:06:13 PM   
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MsLillyKate,
i'd like to share a sub's perspective with You if You don't mind.  i understand that You are interested in a female sub, but i don't think that gender matters in this particular instance.

i have been in this lifestyle for quite a long time (almost 2 decades).  During that time, i have served lots of Dommes.  If i were to rank all of them, the one who would rise to the top of the list is a Domme that i served who was very much like Yourself.

She was kind, caring, compassionate, and very concerned about my happiness and well-being.  In my opinion, that made Her a better Domme, not a lesser Domme.  i do not believe that dominance is defined by being uncaring, unkind, and non-empathetic.  Nor is being sadistic a requirement.

D/s relationships are just like vanilla relationships; the best ones are based on mutual respect, affection, and empathy.

If You command Your sub to give You snuggles rather than accept lashes from Your whip, that doesn't make You any less dominant.  As long as Your will and desires are preeminent, and Your sub caters to those desires, then You are the Domme.  In fact, if Your sub wants something rougher, and You demand snuggles instead, isn't that actually proof of Your dominance?

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/16/2009 11:39:49 PM   
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i don't think it's a weakness. i see being caring and empathetic as very good and necessary qualities =]

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/17/2009 7:46:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SnowRanger
To the OP;  There is a photo out there of a muscular man gently holding a baby.  The inference that I get from it is that the man is strong enough to be gentle.  Perhaps Ms Lilly Kate, you are strong enough to handle your empathy.


Mike,
I love that photo and have it hanging on the wall of my office! Reminds me of when my UM's were born and I was there to cut the cords on both of 'em, cuddled 'em, changed diapers and nurtured them.

Some people are looking for "cardboard dommes" that fit the stereotype portrayed by the media and not the unique individuals these women are. Perhaps if the OP allowed them more time to get to know her before establishing a dynamic, they'd understand more of who she was and what she they could expect in a relationship with her.

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/18/2009 10:28:24 AM   
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MsLillyKate,

I sent this in a PM, but after thinking about it, this fits in the thread and may be of interest to others too.  Thus, I'm going to plagiarize myself. :-)  I'll add the following caveat:  these are my approaches and opinions.  Others may have their own approaches.  I'm certainly not saying mine is the correct way or that there is only one way.  Some of what I've written may be obvious to those experienced in BDSM, but this is what came to mind while considering your questions.

For those that don't know me, I'm a male submissive who has also been a dominant.  These days, while I identify as submissive, I avoid labels.  How I choose to communicate with a partner and the emotions we share is unique to that relationship.  Of course, I do have personality traits that are "me".  These are part of my approach to BDSM, but they also transcend BDSM (and I'm fine with that).  This is actually a good starting place for your questions so let's dive in.

I see two questions, as follows:

1.)  Is empathy for your submissive and a desire to care for your submissive and meet their needs at odds with dominance?

The things that make you who you are don't change just because you're dominant.  After reading your profile, I see grace, intelligence, empathy, honesty, directness, softness, strength, a sense of humour, romance, vulnerability, and many other things I'll leave out for brevity's sake.  This is your personage, the fundamental you, that underlines and drives your dominance.  As a dominant, it's your choice how much you give of yourself to your partner.  This said, many dominants choose not to limit themselves when guiding and communicating with their partners.  This means they share all of themselves - their feelings, friendship, love, romance, successes and failures, strengths and insecurities, high and lows, laughter and tears.  Hopefully, if this is the basis of the relationship, your submissive shares everything they are with you.

Were I the girl you're looking for (which clearly I'm not :-), your personage is the biggest reason I'd contact you, and this includes your empathetic approach which comes across in your profile and in your thread.  You show that you're not infallible and that you have a desire to communicate and to learn with your girl.  I wouldn't change this no matter how many uber dominants (male or female) might advise otherwise.  Looking at the replies in your thread, many dommes and submissives seem to agree with this point of view.  There is a lovely, gentle humanity in your approach.  In my opinion, this makes you a very desirable dominant and one that many girls (and boys, if you swung that way) would be proud to submit to and could fall in love with.  Therefore, I'd say your empathy isn't at odds with dominance, but rather that this is a most wonderful aspect of your dominant mind and approach.


2.) What happens when a dominant's natural response is to offer comfort and concern, but the submissive actually wants rougher play/treatment?

This is where communication comes in.  You're a human being.  Your submissive is a human being.  Neither of you can read minds.  So yes, sometimes partners are in different moods or they misread each other.  This is perfectly normal.  When you need to cuddle and caress your submissive, and share mutual love and affection, gently communicate this to her.  On the flip side, your partner has needs too and I know that you know this.  As the dominant, you're the leader and you can (hopefully) communicate your needs whenever you wish.  This is sometimes a little more difficult for submissives due to their supporting role.  I like to create regular reviews where a submissive can communicate their needs.  For example, you could do this by having your girl write a weekly journal.  Comfort her by letting her know that no matter what she writes, she won't get in trouble and you'll love her all the more.  Now you've got a means for your partner to communicate desires and one that reinforces your roles as dominant and submissive.  Of course, you can also ask your partner to communicate her desires face to face.  If she's not comfortable asking for what she wants, one approach is to say "your service to me right now is to communicate your desires... this is what I want from you".

Sometimes a partner may ask for things that don't come naturally to you.  Your example of a submissive who wants rougher play may be such a case.  One of the things I remind myself is that partners ask for things they want.  So if your girl asks you to cane her ass till she's black and blue, you can reassure yourself that by doing this you're actually giving your partner love and affection.  It may take some trial and effort to find out what works for your partner and what works for you.  That's part of the journey.  The first time you try something new, it may not feel comfortable.  Still, it's often worth trying something a few times before coming to an opinion.  I find practice and shared experience are often joys in themselves, and this leads to greater understanding of the activity and of how it might become enjoyable.  Sometimes, when it's an activity I don't enjoy but my partner does, just watching my partner enjoy themselves is enough to turn me on.  This is another approach I've found that has turned activities I wasn't sure about into ones I really liked.

I always try to inject laughter, love, and lots of caresses and eye contact during play.  However, if you're in the middle of intense sensation play or another kind of play, sometimes there aren't appropriate opportunities for this.  One solution is that you do this as a follow-up to play and during aftercare.  Thus, now that your partner has a caned, sore, bruised bum, you can look after her, caress her hair, kiss the tears away, and whisper soft words and tell her how much you love her.  It might seem counter-intuitive to hurt her and then kiss her better, but think of it this way... you didn't actually hurt her.  What the two of you did was go mountain climbing together.  Now the two of you are sore and you're looking after one another.  This is one way I managed to connect with a submissive who was more into receiving pain than I was into giving it.  There was something about her joyful, loving response that convinced me it was okay to "give it to her harder and rougher" next time. :-)

Oops. I'm at risk of rambling!  Perhaps you know most (or all) of this stuff already.  At any rate, I hope something in this note is of use and I hope everything works out for you and your new girl.

Warmly,

Elan.

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/18/2009 10:36:26 AM   
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Nope. Not weak at all. Empathy is a strength.

Find a partner who fits well with you, in and out of bed.

Communication is key, as always.



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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/18/2009 11:03:08 AM   
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Everyone,

Instead of editing my post above, I'll call myself out on something.  It's this:

quote:

ElanSubdued:
As the dominant, you're the leader and you can (hopefully) communicate your needs whenever you wish.  This is sometimes a little more difficult for submissives due to their supporting role.


In some cases, these words may be true.  However, in my experience, this is an example of classic BDSM BS.  People are all different.  Some dominants may have little difficulty expressing their needs while others may not feel comfortable.  The same goes for submissives and the entire gamut of kinky and non-kinky folk.  Also, there may be certain feelings, issues, or types of play that a person feels difficult discussing or apprehensive about.  When it comes right down to it, whether dominant or submissive, communication takes time and effort, as does learning how your partner communicates and learning how to listen, understand, and really hear your partner.  Actually acting on what your partner says can also sometimes be difficult, especially if this is in conflict with your own beliefs, goals, comfort level, and/or desires.

Empathy skills (as described by the OP are) are an essential part of this.  Sure, during play, these might cause us to put the brakes on too soon.  Communication and feedback can help resolve this kind of issue.  Without empathy skills though, it's not likely play will ever get off the ground.  I can only speak for myself and that said, I'd be very concerned playing with someone who demonstrated a lack of empathy.  It may be hot to fantasize about a sadist who cares little for your pain and who dishes it out with no concern.  In reality, for those who have been on the receiving and of this (of which I have), it's not so much fun.  Under these circumstances, good pain can quickly turn to bad pain, and bad pain is... well, pain!  Too much empathy?  That I can work with.  Because really, dominants and submissives do teach each other things, about BDSM and about each other. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/21/2009 5:44:22 PM   
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I mean isn't that the best part about being dominant? You can have it ANY way you like it. There are times when he holds me. He usually knows when I need it. I am tender one moment and sadistic the next. It is what he enjoys about me...what will he get next/what will I take next, etc.

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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/21/2009 8:06:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLillyKate
...I find myself sometimes too empathetic.... I find myself going out of my way to please my sub. It sounds odd but I have gone out of my way alot in the past with ex subs, sometimes overly empathetic...sometimes finding myself wanting to snuggle with them when they've wanted something rougher....


Dominance isn't the same as sadism, just as submission isn't synonymous with masochism.

I'm a lesbian submissive. My Lady knows my needs, and I'm certainly allowed to ask for what I want. She gives me what she wants me to have, whether it's cuddling or caning. As my domme, she has my welfare and needs in her keeping . Her desires, though, are the ones that rule.

When she wants to cuddle, we cuddle. I personally really enjoy sensation play (adore the flogger). But I don't get it all the time! It's more like the cherry on the sundae. There are plenty of times when she will have me lay with my head in her lap as we watch TV on the couch, her hand idly stroking my hair. That's the service she wants from me at that moment. Sometimes she wants to enjoy her sadistic streak, and then she might decide I need a caning, which is more sensation than I can enjoy in a sexually arousing way, but I can throw myself into it as an act of submission and obedience.

I guess the question you should be asking as a dominant is whether you are adequately meeting your submissive's needs (not necessarily her wants or desires). Everyone has some minimum requirements to be happy in a relationship, and you each have a reciprocal duty to one another to meet those basic needs. 

If your submissive is not getting enough of the "rough stuff" to meet her minimum needs for happiness in the relationship, then I'd think the two of you should talk about it... it's possible that you are not the right match for each other. Or, in talking, you may find that you have a happy and contented sub who just wants an extra cherry on the ice cream today.

In our relationship, my Lady asks my opinion and advice about big decisions (buying the house, for example). She also allows me to ask for what I want and need. If I want sex, I can ask for it. If I want a spanking, I can ask. If she doesn't feel like having sex or swinging a whip, then I wait. Often enough she's deliberately keying me up and making we wait to heighten the overall tension and arousal so when she does decide to deliver she can enjoy playing my body like a finely tuned instrument. 









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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/21/2009 8:09:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

OP:
These are all aspects OF YOU so valid and not wrong..

I too am similar ..in real extremes..I am hard core sadistic and very very loving...
MY 4 husbands( over 20+ years) POLY..knew that Mistress corrected..disciplined..ruled..and Big mama made it better..

I mentored their creativity and reddened their asses.
I supported their projects and flogged them silly.
I led them to the garden where we grew things together and whipped them in the garden shed.
They received gifts..and knew they were beloved and cherished.
I created a strict..environment in which we all lived a harmonious life.

enough of  I .. I... I...
I .. oops assume you are similar..YOU GO GIRL
 
As of others have said  the subs desires MUST match the DOMMES STYLE and all works well



GM



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RE: Confused as a Domme... - 11/21/2009 9:01:12 PM   
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I too have noticed that there are many that mix up D/s and S/m it gets crazy sometimes to interview a sub and they just want pain and do not even understand the concept of the serving. You just have to be you and what your into and if you feel good about yourself thats enough.

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