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Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:00:57 AM   
ipromise4u


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Greetings all,

i am new to these forums and i would like to say hi. i've been going through a really difficult time the past few weeks and have had no one to talk to. i guess i just need someone to listen and to give me feed back.

i was owned and collared to my very first Master, He is Gorean, i was not and was learning. W/we were together from Aug until He unexpectedly released me end of Oct.

i fell in love with Him very quickly and He as well, at least that is what He told me. W/we saw each other every week and talked daily. The one thing that started to cause issues with in the relationship were my insecurities. He flirted daily with others and it hurt my feelings. He would assure me that i was the only one for Him and that i had to just stop being "emotional" and just deal with it. i tried to deal with it but i felt as though He would test me on a daily basis. He was always emailing and instant messaging others and He would be sure i knew, just to get a reaction from me. i bit my tongue and would not say anything even though it hurt me and caused me great anxiety. W/we went to a munch together and there was a sub sitting across from me that He conversed with during the whole munch. He tells me a few days later that He got her email because He wanted U/us to be friends with her. Okay, i bit my tongue and told HIm that was great. A few days later He and i were in O/our nightly instant message together and the conversation was laggy so i repectfully asked Him if He was talking with some one else. He replied "yes" it was the girl from the munch.

i was so hurt, it felt like i was stabbed in the heart at that moment. Here it was, O/our nightly time together before W/we go to sleep and He has another message screen up with her at the same time. I told Him that it was rude and insensitive to do so and that if He wished to talk with her i would excuse myself and let them talk. i mean, is it me or is it not a rude thing to do? How can You hold 2 conversations at one time? it was like i was getting 50% of him and it was hurtful.

He released me 2 mins later in the instant message. His last 3 words to me were "okay, I'm Done". i thought he meant done with the conversation...No, i found out the next morning that i was actually released. He didn't even have the respect to tell me face to face.

i sent Him 2 emails begging for forgiveness, that i would try to not be jealous. He never replied back. i called Him 1 time, He would not speak to me. That was 3 weeks ago.

He then collared another girl 2 weeks ago. (not the girl from the munch).

i am just not understanding any of this. He told me every single day how much He loved me, even in O/our last instant message before He released me. He was like a jekle/hyde.

i just need to know what the hell happened, i would have liked to hear it from Him but He is a coward and will not speak to me about it.

okay, i will stop rambling...and i am not whining, i am just really confused.

i have moved on and am thankful that i am not with Him anymore but i feel as though He did not give me proper closure and it bothers me.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:15:26 AM   
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I'm sorry hun.. this happens to everyone at one point or another...

I can't say for sure what happened, because I'm missing more then 1/2 the story. But, it sounds like you may have come across a player.. or at the very least someone who you're not compatible with.

*just a note on the im thing.. I normally carry on more then one conversation there at a time.. In fact, I have people who will wait 5 or 6 hours before responding to my messages. I'm ok with that..*

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:19:27 AM   
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quote:

He released me 2 mins later in the instant message. His last 3 words to me were "okay, I'm Done". i thought he meant done with the conversation...No, i found out the next morning that i was actually released. He didn't even have the respect to tell me face to face.

i sent Him 2 emails begging for forgiveness, that i would try to not be jealous. He never replied back. i called Him 1 time, He would not speak to me. That was 3 weeks ago.

He then collared another girl 2 weeks ago. (not the girl from the munch).


he sounds like an insensitive oaf who is dispensing velcro collars. I think it is a safe bet you are not the first he has done this to, nor will you be the last.

Move on Sweetie...you deserve someone better.


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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:22:15 AM   
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i KNOW how hurt you are...but TRUST me...this guy is an ass and even though you don't feel like it now...Its better you found out this SOON.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Trust your feelings...if something feels wrong...and after talking it STILL feels wrong..... LISTEN to yourself. Take time ...talk... learn about someone BEFORE you commit...and if they want to rush you or tell you you must not be real because you want to KNOW who you are commiting to.....RUN!



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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:36:44 AM   
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Good Morning ipromise , i am sorry for you,
Of course, He has the right to do as He wants,but on a long ride you would have lost your confidence in Him,
i am not here to judge the action of a Gorean man, but to be released via an email would tell   it was better for me,, even if there is  tears and pain .It did not endend as it was supposed to,,,,it was unclear .This make it more painful for you,
What happened ? He probably  did not want a slave who show her vulnerability
but think about that ,,,wich real slave does not feel insecure at times , wich slave embrace what she is without some fears ?
What if He took times to invest you and built a  mind bondage that is so important ? well i think that after 2 months it would still be priority.
just my humble opinions
take care of your self and thanks for sharing



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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:40:45 AM   
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He went out of his way to hurt you. He gets off on having multiple women chasing him. He isn't able to connect truly.

You've learned what a player is like. Take time off to heal. Go do fun stuff that you enjoy.

And next time pick someone compatible. If you have no draw to Gor, don't pick a Gorean. If you don't like golf, don't pick a guy on the PGA tour. Simple vanilla compatibility comes first.

You need someone who is monogamous. Who isn't so insecure that unless he has a dozen different girls on a string he feels he's worthless. Someone who knows the value of a deep connection and love.

And why he released you then? Because I'm betting that although right now you're just in pain, you were beginning to get a little fed up with him and his games, and he knows from experience that if he continued the relationship soon enough you would have booted him in the ass just like his last ten girlfriends did.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:49:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ipromise4u

i fell in love with Him very quickly and He as well, at least that is what He told me. W/we saw each other every week and talked daily. The one thing that started to cause issues with in the relationship were my insecurities. He flirted daily with others and it hurt my feelings. He would assure me that i was the only one for Him and that i had to just stop being "emotional" and just deal with it. i tried to deal with it but i felt as though He would test me on a daily basis. He was always emailing and instant messaging others and He would be sure i knew, just to get a reaction from me. i bit my tongue and would not say anything even though it hurt me and caused me great anxiety.

My first thought is: "Did you two talk about how things like this were going to go BEFORE you became his?" You say his behavior "hurt your feelings," "caused you great anxiety," and you felt he was doing it to "test" you. Again, I have to wonder if that is factual or just your perception. Again, had you discussed any of this previously? I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned your own "insecurities."

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W/we went to a munch together and there was a sub sitting across from me that He conversed with during the whole munch. He tells me a few days later that He got her email because He wanted U/us to be friends with her. Okay, i bit my tongue and told HIm that was great.

Ok, so you lied. I guess he wasn't able to read your mind clearly enough. He stated what he desired and...even though it was tearing you up....you said that it was "great." Wow, how could he not do what you wanted? You were so clear as to what you desired.
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A few days later He and i were in O/our nightly instant message together and the conversation was laggy so i repectfully asked Him if He was talking with some one else. He replied "yes" it was the girl from the munch.
He could have lied. He didn't. I consider that much a good thing.
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i was so hurt, it felt like i was stabbed in the heart at that moment. Here it was, O/our nightly time together before W/we go to sleep and He has another message screen up with her at the same time. I told Him that it was rude and insensitive to do so and that if He wished to talk with her i would excuse myself and let them talk. i mean, is it me or is it not a rude thing to do? How can You hold 2 conversations at one time? it was like i was getting 50% of him and it was hurtful.

Again, only my opinion, but I'm not sure that it was "rude and insensitive" at all. Yes, you considered it "hurtful" but the action in and of itself is something many people do all the time. I have easily held "two conversations at once" and handled them both quite capably. I think anyone who is fluent with IM'ing has done that without a problem. I am always sure to tell both parties, however, that this is occurring. You tell him that if he "wished to talk with her" that you'd "excuse" yourself and "let them talk." Again, conflicting signals. First you're hurt and call him rude and insensitive and then you turn right around and play what I'd call a pity card and say something to the effect of "Well, if you want to talk to her, I'll just go." Which way is it?
quote:

He released me 2 mins later in the instant message. His last 3 words to me were "okay, I'm Done". i thought he meant done with the conversation...No, i found out the next morning that i was actually released. He didn't even have the respect to tell me face to face.

This is the first thing you've mentioned that I consider wrong. Not that he was "done" with the whole situation, but that he didn't tell you face-to-face.
quote:

i sent Him 2 emails begging for forgiveness, that i would try to not be jealous. He never replied back. i called Him 1 time, He would not speak to me. That was 3 weeks ago.

I think it's a good thing he didn't respond. You could "try to not be jealous" but that's obviously not going to occur over night. You can't just magically go from being jealous to not jealous. You didn't get that way overnight and you're not going to be able to change that big of an issue over night. It's going to take time.
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i am just not understanding any of this. He told me every single day how much He loved me, even in O/our last instant message before He released me. He was like a jekle/hyde.

No, he was like thousands and thousands of other people who throw the word "love" around carelessly and without a second thought as to what it really means. Anyone can say "I love you." It's that simple. Showing it is something else. He's no different than people all over the planet in that he said it and obviously did not really mean it.


Now, I say all that to say this: I'm sorry you were hurt and I really do understand where you're coming from. I've been there (under different circumstances, of course.) We live and learn. I would chalk this up as one of those "learning" experiences and move forward. BUT.....before getting involved in any other relationship.....I'd do some introspection as to what I really wanted and/or would accept. Then, you need to be forthright about it before getting involved with someone else. Tell him/her right up front that you have feelings of jealousy and some insecurities (your word) that you're working on and that you'll need their support. If they're not willing to do that and accept what you've said, pass them on by for someone who will.

Consider this a lesson learned the hard way, hon. He's gone on to do his thing to others. Poor them. Good luck.................luci

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 9:45:16 AM   
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Fast reply:

The guy's an asshole. Forget him, and get some self esteem so you won't pick another asshole and let yourself be treated badly again.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 10:00:26 AM   
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'Okay. Im done' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this 'man' is in his own self and deserves to be ....

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 1:38:11 PM   
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Years ago i was the slave of a Gorean Master and experienced several of the same things.  while there are some wonderful men who live in the lifestyle, the true nature of a Gorean man (according to the books) is that women (especially a kajira) are not considered to have feelings or opinions that matter.  kajira/bondmaids do have value just as a cow to a cattle farmer has and there are instances in the books where Masters do fall in love with their slaves, but it is not the norm for a Gorean Master to do so. 

Of course that does not dismiss that you are hurt, betrayed, and probably completely confused by what has happened to you.  i feel for you and my heart goes out to you and your pain. im sure that you feel as if your body has been split in two and that you dont know which way is up or down right now.  the ultimate truth is that this man did not deserve your devotion, darling girl.  it will take time just like any heart break.  the trick is to not completely lose that fire that burns within because hopefully you will eventually find a man who truly deserves your love. 

please feel free to contact me at any time to talk if you need to. 

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 1:54:22 PM   
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He is a player and not the Dom for you. It seems from your post that he got his jollies out of causing you emotional pain and you don't need that kinda crap in your life. You are well rid of him and i am glad to hear you have moved on. You deserve better. I don't remember who said it but i agree you need to be upfront that you want to be the only one he is with. If he does not agree then you are not a match. I told that to my Master from the get go and he agreed so we were both on the same page.

I am so sorry this happened to you i guess that which does not kill us makes us stronger is a good thing to say here. Be glad you found out what he is like now and not 6 months a year down the road.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 2:00:20 PM   
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I think he certainly views himself as a Gorean Master, and a Master in general.  I think what he is in fact is an insecure guy who needs a constant stream of fresh adoration and attention from different women to combat his insecurity.  I also think he was getting off on making you jealous and insecure.  Thankfully, you only had to deal with it for two months.   

Take some time to heal, and to figure out what -you- want.  This is also about you, not just what you can offer to someone else.  Anyone who doesn't take your needs and weaknesses into account  isn't someone you want to give yourself to, you're worth more than that. 

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 3:50:05 PM   
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Thank You all so much for Your replies..each and every one of You! i saw my answers in every reply..i guess i just needed to feel validated and heard. Yes, it has been such a difficult few weeks, so bad in fact that i fell into a "depression" the first 2 weeks of being released. i tormented myself, asking myself the same things over and over.. "what did i do wrong" why wasn't i pleasing enough".Damit, i had self esteem before i met Him. i had the strength, i had the focus and then i lost it all when i fell in love. Yes, this was such a great lesson learned. i am actually thankful now that i have learned and still learning. i am gaining my self esteem back and my strength. i am and have been a sensitive and emotional girl my whole life. That is who i am and it is the beauty with in me. i know that there is a Man out there who will respect that quality in me and embrace it. i will not try to hide my emotions ever again for to do that i would only be kidding myself, hiding behind a mask and to me a M/s relationship is so very special, there should be emotion, real raw emotion with in the relationship and open communication. i think because He is Hard core Gorean and what i have read and was also told by several people, emotions are NOT allowed. The Master is Not allowed to fall in love with His slave. i think that although i am drawn to the sensuality and the beauty of Gor i in fact can not please a Gorean Master due to my raw emotions...they get in the way.

i am glad to be here on this site with you all! i am on another site and have been on another site for a while but i can not talk this freely there without reprecussions. Thank you! :)

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 4:36:23 PM   
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What is truly important is that you are  free!  Free from an abusive, uncaring, and very unloving Master. It is difficult for both Doms and subs to truly find a good match especially on these sites!   As with any relationship, it does take time for it to grow! I truly hope you will find that special someone that you are seeking! I realize that My words will not take your hurt away but, I hope you
truly find happiness! ;)

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:43:00 PM   
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okay i need to call bullshit where i see it.  I was a Gorean slave for 8ish years OFFLINE, long before i ever even FOUND online access as in this type of venue.  i know many Goreans offline.  And sorry but those of you who say EMOTIONS aren't allowed of Gorean slaves are full of it.  Gorean slaves are expected on many levels to be full of emotion by their Master and because they are stripped of everything their vulnerability leaves their emtions wide open.  HOWEVER, what most Gorean men won't put up with and ya know most MEN i know whether they are Gor or not won't put up with insecure jealousy fits for long.   I always find those women who say Gorean Men don't allow emotions are women who spend most of their time as a slave trying to manipulate the guy WITH their negative emotions and then when they are kicked to the curb suddenly its the "well i didn't do anything."  Its called hey girls, you may want to really take a long look at what YOU were doing in the relationship that contributed to the release.  I burst out laughing at the concept of a Gorean Master isn't ALLOWED to fall in love with his slave.  I will be sure to tell many Goreans they have broken the rules of UBER Gorean.

See this girl initially posted on her former Master's thread where he posted these words:

"Why is it so hard to find a decent girl I have searched so long for a decent kajira and I always seem to find the ones who are not as they appear or refuse to take responsibility and accept the circumstances that come with thair actions. "

But then again your own post didn't go over well either, so you came here.

Now there are two sides of the story here, i am sure people will continue to down him but i can guarantee you this is issue of this relationship has nothing to do with Gor going right or wrong. 

This is just a bit of trivia -- one thing Gorean Men EXPECT from slaves simply because the nature of the beast is that they will fall in love with a Man who masters them.  That is not a surprising concept to Gorean Men at all, nor do they attempt to deny a girl her love of him.  However, Gorean Men don't allow a girl in love to try and manipulate him which many women so in general when LOVE rears its head.  I know many Men who love their slaves but again, they don't allow this love to be a window for manipulation on her part because of his love to exist, you don't hear Gorean slaves saying --- BUT if you love meeeeee. 

Is it easy it seems for some to blame something like this on Gorean, sure especially in a forum like this, though i am pleasantly surprised many are making it about the guy and not about Gorean.  BUt the point is, jealousy has torn apart many a relationship-- you should do a search on the topic of JEALOUSY in general on this board and see how many relationships are torn apart becuase of jealousy of one party usually a female who says she could deal with poly but then decided she couldn't and instead of walking away she wanted to manipulate the relationship into what she wanted and blamed him for not comforming to her whip. 

Whether you will like this or not, this has nothing to do with his being Gorean or calling himself same.  While i can see how your actions would have your cost overriding your value to your Master pretty damn quick, i don't see anything inherently Gorean in this issue.  You even said yourself he was honest with you about all of this and it was your feelings of jealousy and thinking YOU as the slave were the one who got to determine what he did with his time and then you tried to manipulate him and control what he did by using yourself as a bargaining tool with your well if you are talking to somepne else we can talk later.  However, what i see is that backfired on you and instead of him coming to heel, he said buh bye. 

All in all, you will find in ANY relationship that if you start allowing jealousy to rule you, the relationship won't last.  All in all, i know very few Men (Gorean and non Gorean) who will put up with a woman attempting to manipulate him and what you have explained is exactly what you tried to do.  Becareful when you try and bargain using yourself because you may find your value isn't as high as you thought it was.

I have no clue if he was Gorean, if his concentration was on the slavery i can pretty much guarantee Gor wasn't his focus lol.   If you want to learn about Gor, then learn about Gor.  You will find Goreans have the same issues non-Goreans do, sometimes you just pick the WRONG person and/or you get sucked up into the player or whatnot.   I still think its interesting you went from posting this same OP in the Gorean forum and when no one jumped up and down to validate you and your feelins, you brought it here.

angel

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 5:57:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

He released me 2 mins later in the instant message. His last 3 words to me were "okay, I'm Done". i thought he meant done with the conversation...No, i found out the next morning that i was actually released. He didn't even have the respect to tell me face to face.

i sent Him 2 emails begging for forgiveness, that i would try to not be jealous. He never replied back. i called Him 1 time, He would not speak to me. That was 3 weeks ago.

He then collared another girl 2 weeks ago. (not the girl from the munch).


he sounds like an insensitive oaf who is dispensing velcro collars. I think it is a safe bet you are not the first he has done this to, nor will you be the last.

Move on Sweetie...you deserve someone better.



Heck, by this time he's probably "released" her too and has moved on to another.

Just another net gamer...unfortunately he probably won't be your last, just don't let them break your spirit. 

And don't be suprised if he tries to return at a later date, wanting you back...trust me, it rarely works.  Usually just means he's in between women at the time and since you begged he thinks you're an easy target.  Remember how you feel at this moment when the sweet talkin' starts and walk away.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 6:12:41 PM   
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@angel, Thank You for replying.
Yes i did in fact post a reply after seeing that He posted here. The reason why i posted my own post was because it was suggested that i do so. Yes angel, i was indeed jealous and yes i begged forgiveness and i asked Him to help me and guide me as i thought a Master would do. i certainly tried working on my insecurities but given only 2 months it was truly not enough time. i respect your opinion and i value your insight as i was very new and He was my very first Master. i certainly have a lot more to learn and i am eager and willing. Thank You all again for replies. Take care and be well.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 6:32:24 PM   
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Okay let's look at what you have said here -- now i know Gor, i know the slavery very well.  And while you may have thought it wasn't long enough or fair --- all in all, maybe it was for him. 

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Yes angel, i was indeed jealous and yes i begged forgiveness and i asked Him to help me and guide me as i thought a Master would do. i certainly tried working on my insecurities but given only 2 months it was truly not enough time.


Will some Men take their time and effort to work a girl through her issues.  MANY Gorean Men enjoy mastering and enslaving and the training of their slaves.  However even more Gorean Men and Men in general enjoy what i call off-the-rack slave.  These are slaves who are willing to hold themselves in slavery, they are women who learn to be a slave and aren't necessarily mastered.  They aren't customized but instead are a concept of basics.   However, you have to realize that within Gorean slavery most men whether they will put the cost and effort into a girl or they got her off the rack, will work a girl toward his specific expectations and standrds because he has seen her potential.  However the cost they are willing tyo pay varies, to me from my experience off the rack slave Men have a lower threshold of cost and a higher expectation of immediate value.  Most men who like to build a slave custon tend to have a higher cost threshold which allows thevalue to fluctuate more.  What do you think your begging forgiveness should make it all okay?  That you expect him to help you because that's what you see a Master doing.   Two months is plenty of time for a Man to see if a girl will start moving towards achieving what he sees as her potential.   Slavery is a concept of cost and value.   You were given plenty of time and you are still trying to make it his fault.  Maybe its time to stop whining about what he did that you don't agree with and instead look at what you did.

YOU believe he should have given you more time than 2 months, you believe he should have just kept wasting his time on you despite the two months he has already given you.  You decided to use yourself as a bargaining chip and lost.  You decided he needs or should want to keep you around because YOU want to be kept around.  Sounds like a lot of this is about you.  It seems as if your value didn't overcome the cost he spent in dealing with your jealousy issue.

Based on what you have written i will explain in my opinon where you went wrong from your first post information.  First and foremost that you bit your tongue. What right as a slave of a Gorean do you think you have to withhold things from your Master?  But he may not like what you have to say.  You are right -- he may not, but in determining what you will and won't share by biting your tongue when he pretty much seemed to have asked for your insight and you all out lied to him by saying alright was your first mistake.  And you attempted to manipulate his reactions to you.  Second from what i see from a Gorean slave perspective, you decided you were a determiner of HIS time.  You the slave somehow felt you are owed an explanation of his time.  You aren't.  Another mistake you made was in attempting to use yourself as a bargaining tool to try and get results from him.  Well you got them didn't you?  Many people will see this as harsh or wrong but most people don't get the slavery a Gorean Man holds his slave in. 

If you want to be able to manipulate a Man then you won't want a Man who understands himself and is secure in his dominance and determination to master a woman, be he Gorean or not.  Goreans are very patient when the connection is right.  Men will obtain and hold mastery for years over a woman he determines and holds as a slave.  All in all, i think instead of worrying what he did, you may want to evaluate yourself and perhaps see how you contributed to a downfall of a relationship.  You won't always be new, but being new doesn't mean a Man MUST do A, B, or C.  I don't know this man's motives, i have no clue if he was or is Gorean.  I looked at what you wrote as someone who knows Gorean slavery and i saw every mistake you made if he were a Gorean Man.  ALl in all every man would have handles this situation differently be he Gorean or not.  All and all, you need to stop looking to place the blame and move on.

angel

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 11/16/2009 6:37:15 PM >


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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 6:53:58 PM   
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Oh and one final thought, something that IS the actuality that is in the books since someone made mention about the books saying this and that.  Many times a girl will go through many Masters before finding her natural Master.   That is not a concept many want accept, they want the fairy fairy tale with the first guy who they become slave too.  For some yes it happens that first time, but for many, its a beginning of a journey to find their natural master.

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RE: Hi, i just need a shoulder... - 11/16/2009 7:03:24 PM   
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You've given this a new perspective of which I wasn't familiar.  Thank you. 

Being clingy and jealous isn't going to appeal to any man, but I am still of the opinion that he pushed her insecurities so she would cling and ameliorate his own.  And telling her via im that he was dumping her was just tacky. 

But I also agree with another poster who stated that if he's bored or lonely, he'll go back to her briefly, if she'll let him. 


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