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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/21/2009 10:27:24 AM   
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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/21/2009 12:13:06 PM   
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OK, dear.

Sorry I suggested the New Testament. I should know by now that few who claim to be Christian can demonstrate such faith.

Enjoy your pout.



Its such ashame that the only people that can be human, and get sick of pot shots, and sarcasm are NON-Christians.... Like i can't be human and get sick of condescending attitudes. But whatever....


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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/21/2009 2:43:54 PM   
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And again, O Defensive One, it was a heads up, not criticism. Still is.

But those who would be victims will find a way no matter what, whatever the ideology.


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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/22/2009 10:04:10 AM   
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Sorry, I wasn't aware there was a difference between the Roman version and the Orthodox version.  To answer your question, it is the canon primarily that I was talking about. 

 
The question "Why the Bible" was not talking about redemption.  That's a whole 'nother thread.

The First Christian Bible
At the time the Christian Bible was being formed, a Greek translation of Jewish Scripture, the
Septuagint, was in common use and Christians adopted it as the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. However, around 100 A.D., Jewish rabbis revised their Scripture and established an official canon of Judaism which excluded some portions of the Greek Septuagint. The material excluded was a group of 15 late Jewish books, written during the period 170 B.C. to 70 A.D., that were not found in Hebrew versions of the Jewish Scripture. Christians did not follow the revisions of Judaism and continued to use the text of the Septuagint as the Old Testament.
 
Protestant Bibles
In the 1500s, Protestant leaders decided to organize the Old Testament material according to the official canon of Judaism rather than the Septuagint. They moved the Old Testament material which was not in the Jewish canon into a separate section of the Bible called the
Apocrypha. So, Protestant Bibles then included all the same material as the earlier Bible, but it was divided into two sections: the Old Testament and the Apocrypha. Protestant Bibles included the Apocrypha until the mid 1800s, and the King James Version was originally published with the Apocrypha. However, the books of the Apocrypha were considered less important, and the Apocrypha was eventually dropped from most Protestant editions.
 
Catholic and Orthodox Bibles
The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches did not follow the Protestant revisions, and they continue to base their Old Testament on the Septuagint. The result is that these versions of the the Bible have more Old Testament books than most Protestant versions. Catholic Old Testaments include 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Baruch, Tobit, Judith, The Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), additions to Esther, and the stories of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon which are included in Daniel. Orthodox Old Testaments include these plus 1st and 2nd Esdras, Prayer of Manasseh, Psalm 151 and 3rd Maccabees.
 
http://www.twopaths.com/faq_bibles.htm



Thank you for the information. It is well appreciated. Given what you say is correct there seems to be much to debate in the video preacher's assertion of a well-codified and internally coherrent Canon. As i recall it is the basis of his affirmation of the Bible.

I assumed, did you not, from the OP's signature in all their posts that their primary interest is the NT with their signature: "Jesus said, "I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: No man comes to the Father but by Me." This is not meant to attack the OP but to point out why I assume their concern is mainly with the message of the redemption.

You said earlier
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I do not, and no one could ever convince me that the Bible is the actual Word of God. There are inconsistancies


With that I can readily agree. Sometimes, however, people use historical incosistencies of events and writings to blind themselves to the professions of faith. On the other hand there are the fervent and unyielding Faithful who base everything upon the supposed inerrancy of the Bible. It seems a curious observation of extremes.

Thanks again for the input.

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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/23/2009 5:56:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Thank you for the information. It is well appreciated. Given what you say is correct there seems to be much to debate in the video preacher's assertion of a well-codified and internally coherrent Canon. As i recall it is the basis of his affirmation of the Bible.

I assumed, did you not, from the OP's signature in all their posts that their primary interest is the NT with their signature: "Jesus said, "I Am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: No man comes to the Father but by Me." This is not meant to attack the OP but to point out why I assume their concern is mainly with the message of the redemption.

You said earlier
quote:

I do not, and no one could ever convince me that the Bible is the actual Word of God. There are inconsistancies


With that I can readily agree. Sometimes, however, people use historical incosistencies of events and writings to blind themselves to the professions of faith. On the other hand there are the fervent and unyielding Faithful who base everything upon the supposed inerrancy of the Bible. It seems a curious observation of extremes.

Thanks again for the input.

vincent



One thing I really liked about the Jesus message is that he provided a new way to view God, that is that God is a parent.  Our parents (hopefully) want what's best for us even when we are too young to understand why they tell us to wash our hands, do our homework, don't chase a ball into the street.  When you are a little kid, all these rules seem stupid, parents don't understand, yadda yadda yadda.  The verse that got to me was Jesus saying it is not the will of the Father that any should be lost.  It is not up to me to tell God how that is going to be accomplished.  I do not believe for one second that God is going to throw people into eternal damnation because of mistakes made in life.  My own dad isn't that evil and Jesus said my Heavenly Father is better than my dad.

Many who hate religion see God as a cosmic asshole at best or at worst a blood-thirsty monster.  If humans created God, then we are the ones who made him that monster.  The Great Spirit's will is for all to be gathered together.  Let me live as though that is already accomplished.  To live trying to figure out who is going to be saved and who is not is a defeated way to live life, in my opinion.  To think my God is so limited that he could only come up with one road to redemption is to see a god of limits.  I won't tell anyone else how to find peace.  Each person needs to find peace for themselves. 

And I personally believe any version of the Bible needs to be read like any other book.  Consider the context in which it was written, and then decide how what is written relates to you personally.  I don't think ANY human being should tell me what I'm supposed to think or feel when I read Shakespear and I don't think ANY human being should tell me what I'm supposed to think or feel when I read the Bible.

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RE: Why the Bible? - 11/23/2009 5:40:02 PM   
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Many who hate religion see God as a cosmic asshole at best or at worst a blood-thirsty monster. If humans created God, then we are the ones who made him that monster. The Great Spirit's will is for all to be gathered together. Let me live as though that is already accomplished. To live trying to figure out who is going to be saved and who is not is a defeated way to live life, in my opinion. To think my God is so limited that he could only come up with one road to redemption is to see a god of limits. I won't tell anyone else how to find peace. Each person needs to find peace for themselves. 



I do not hate religion although I am a non-believer. I am on a personal quest to understand it. I think it is important to understand why I reject it. I find much to fault in the belief that there is a benevolent Father. However, I have great respect for the comfort it has given you and I will not debate with you for that reason. I just wanted to express my delight in your personal spirit as you so lovingly expressed it. We humanists/atheists can share that feeling as well when we contemplate the awesomeness of this Universe and the eternity of mass/energy without falling back upon ancient books and myths. Thank you again for your assistance. You gave me some knowledge I did not have. I can never get enough of it.

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