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MzMia -> Still Made in the USA!!! (11/18/2009 8:20:28 PM)

I did an internet search looking for products that were made in the United States.
I was happy to find this website:
http://stillmadeinusa.com/

I am a very happy camper!
I did not realize this many products were still made in the United States!
Growing up as a little girl, I used to love to look at labels that said, "Made in the USA".
My eyes used to light up when I saw those labels, and it gave me such a warm, fuzzy, feeling.
[;)]
I am looking at items throughout my house, looking for a similar tag.
I am not seeing it as much as I would like.

What about you?
Are you seeing ANY tags on items that say "Made in the USA"?
Maybe the folks in Red China have many, many, items that have tags that say "Made in the USA"?
Are people all over the world, enjoying many items that were "Made in the USA"?
If not, why not, and when will they? 



Hierodule -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/18/2009 9:26:09 PM)

Well there this stuff. Its made in the USA

but I heard their factory employs mostly illegals

eh Whatevs. I like their no underwire bras for small chested ladies and their models are kinda sexy in an drugged out amateur porn kind of way.



MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/18/2009 10:22:40 PM)

With unemployment as high as 25% or higher in some areas, I would love to
see a "Made in America", "Buy American Goods", "Manufacture in America" campaign going.
Along with much higher taxes on imported goods, and big tax incentives for companies to open up manufacturing plants in the United States.
If we exported as much as we imported, our financial situation in the USA would certainly change.
I am such a radical.
.........................goes to sleep singing "Dream On" by Arrowsmith.



Suzykeu -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/18/2009 10:41:26 PM)

Tariffs damage developed economies like ours. If we put a tariff on steel, that'll raise prices for the automotive industry, shipping industry, airline industry and every other industry that requires steel.

And of course, when the cost to build trucks, ships, airplanes, and buildings goes up, then the prices of those products will rise as well, hurting industries that rely on them. And so on, and so forth. Prices across the board rise, and instead of working highly paid jobs in the service industry that will be coming back sooner or later, we'll be sending over-educated (But under-experienced) workers into factories so they can make less money than they would normally make in order to buy products that are more expensive.

We're a post-industrial society. Going back to strategies that are best suited to an industrializing society isn't a good idea.



Termyn8or -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/18/2009 11:38:38 PM)

BS Suzy, tarriffs unlike other taxes are a form of social manipulation. They exist to encourage industry to buy a raw material here rather than off shore. What's more a pretty good lot of the steel in the market today came from the US. Remember we used to have a dude take iron ore and a few other thing in one side a building and cars would drive out the other.

Steel mills used to be one of our biggest industries, but not anymore. Now it is banking and garbage like that. The industrialists have left. The engineers are no longer trained here, in fact our educational system is pretty much non functional unless you want to be a basket weaver.

We have sold alot of our aluminum, copper, iron and steel and many other things to other countries. Most of them China probably. Everybody in the world loves our recycled steel. It used to be of a very high quality. Who knows now.

Take all the things we make, bombs, airplanes, paper clips and rubber bands and add the profits up. That's why we are in such deep trouble financially.

Is GM's decision to go with the trucks, bigger ones, insane ? Think about the logic. They are bigger and heavier and would cost more to ship. There is no replacement for such items, if you need to haul a load of plywood, drywall or whatever, the old S10 w/ the four cylinder just doesn't cut it. So to target that segment of the market is not so insane. That does not mean they are not insane, I am just saying that this is not direct evidence of it.

One of our major problems is that many other countries have newer and better manufacturing facilities. They sport effective education systems where a company does not have to give remedial reading courses like they have many times in the US.

That's why I hold my own work ethic. I don't have a clique to punch me in and out of work, I would never cheat them that way. Others would. I spend a couple nights a week doing research, learning things to keep abreast of the job. My Mom didn't promise me a rose garden, nor did she ever say I was done learning. I am never done learning, thus in that way I take my job home with me.

It is my worth, my value. Many have lost sight of that concept, and that is why they are out of work. Sometimes. Other times it is a government that only seems to work against us. But as I blame 90% of my problems on myself, knowing what I know, I think we should do that as a whole.

Yes my car was made in the US. It cost about twenty grand. As some put it together others were out in the parking lot getting wasted, others were home with their families, still others were in bars. But there were enough people left to build my car. But who paid all these people who did nothing ? In the end, I did.

Whether or not you are included in this, We The People have wrought this new way, this new idea. Something had to be done if we can't produce on par with the rest of the world. Even if some of it is hungry.

You think trans-oceanic shipping is free ? Come on. If we could offer what foreign workers offer we would not be hurting for jobs. We are taught from birth how much this is a birthright and all this shit. Poppycock, the world does not owe any of us anything.

T



xssve -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 5:56:47 AM)

http://www.etsy.com/



DomImus -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 6:17:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia
and big tax incentives for companies to open up manufacturing plants in the United States.


Yeah, that's gonna happen. Right after health reform and cap & trade pass. Forget the incentives. Just roll back some of the high as hell corporate taxes that drove the companies offshore in the first place.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 6:31:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomImus


Yeah, that's gonna happen. Right after health reform and cap & trade pass. Forget the incentives. Just roll back some of the high as hell corporate taxes that drove the companies offshore in the first place.



That's a good start. And if we do away with that pesky minimum wage, all worker benefits and have our manufacturing workers work for $5 a day like the one's that the corporations use in other countries, we'll get manufacturing back in a big way. Once again, all we have to do is bend over and spread for the corporations and they'll be glad to come on in.



DCWoody -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 7:11:54 AM)

USA is a rich nation, in the modern world with transportation costs so relatively low you can't make that much stuff, you can't pay people low enough to make it worthwhile, it just doesn't work, and it shouldn't.....do you really want to go back to wages of $10 per day?



Termyn8or -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 8:50:47 AM)

FR

I may sound negative at times but this is not a very pleasant situation. It is possible to compete in the world without paying slave wages. How does Germany do it ? In fact I hear they only work a four day week over there.

There are and/or have been plenty of German immigrants here, so it is not in the blood. What is it then ? I say it is in the educational system, and that of course starts in the home. While they might not share it the "one dollar from a million" philosophy in business, almost every car in the world has some German components. Why ?

Of course this smacks of political incorrectness. How dare I insinuate that we in the US learn anything from anyone else in the world.

I do not summarily discount the fact that we do make things here. The point is we don't have the market share needed to support us as people, or a nation. So right now Germany is a good example. It's not fair to compare us to countries that utilize the advantage of slave labor wages.

Tarriffs are not a good thing, but they are the only reasonable response to the disparity in standards of living between nations. In today's world free trade is not fair trade. What's more China does not have to worry about cap and trade, emissions or any of that. The pollution will still get here eventually.

So if we make the pollution and run things right, which seems near impossible here, we would have the money to improve our pollution situation. Feel good - knee jerk reactions are not the solution. Real change runs from the bottom up.

T



DCWoody -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 9:12:47 AM)

The lower working week in europe is a consequence of europe being much further left...or to be more accurate, usa being much further right :p
Where left vs right is income distribution.
Germany has ~30% industry economy, USA ~20%, so it's not that different.
I suspect that much of it is germans having a reputation for engineering excellence, whereas americans, to put it politely....don't. And that's not something you can force by policy or law. How much of that is cause and effect though....

Also, I don't think the lack of industry in the usa is really a lack of industry, just that the service sector is so huge. I don't think weak industry is dragging USA down, I think strong service....particularly financial sector (although strong is perhaps wrong word right now....dominant perhaps)...is pulling it up.



calamitysandra -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 12:08:49 PM)

I like to see high quality in the things I buy, and a good value to cost ratio. The "Made in ..." tag is quite far down the line of priorities, especially considering the eroded meaning of the phrase.
That goes for Made in Germany as well as for Made in the USA, btw. [;)]



Moonhead -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 12:24:38 PM)

Cross are manufacturing in China these days, so the made in Germany thing carries a bit more weight: Pelikans are lovely pens, and a lot of the Lamys are wonderful as well.



calamitysandra -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 12:34:31 PM)

I prefer Lamy by far over Pelikan, I just adore their selection of slightly broader nibs.



Moonhead -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 12:47:10 PM)

Fair enough. My 2000 may well be the best pen I've ever bought, but I find the fuss over those stupid Safari things laughable.



MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 7:33:13 PM)

Thank you all for your posts.
Term, I tend to agree with you a lot on this one.
 
Maybe it is true, that the United States does not or can not be a front runner in manufacturing these days.
That is a pity, and our loss.
 
I am glad that there are a fair number of entrepreneur's that can actually make a good living producing goods and services in the United States.
 
We really have become a nation of consumers that don't produce a great deal, that also is a pity.
With the "real" unemployment numbers around 20% and growing {when you include those that have given up looking and/or settled for part time work}, I wonder what the future holds for us. 
 
I also wonder if "we the people" will have a rapidly growing sizable number of people that those of us still working, will end up permanently supporting indefinitely if not forever.
Plain and simple, those that work will end up supporting the ever growing population of those that are not working, or unable to make ends meet.
[;)]
It is because of situations like this, that maybe we are moving toward a more Socialist nation.
Maybe that will end up being the only avenue left, because the unemployed are not going away, and we will all support them, one way or another.

Times certainly "are a changing" and maybe not for the better.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/19/2009 8:17:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia


Times certainly "are a changing" and maybe not for the better.


Youve got that right, but it doesnt need to be.



SirAldwyn -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:28:38 AM)

Things really started to change way back in the early 80's when RR changed the tariff laws, the the first Bush killed manufacturing a little more, then Clinton and the last Bush put in the final nail. 

Why do people believe if something took over 30 years to destroy they can be fixed in less than a year



Aneirin -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 5:19:05 AM)

I like US made stuff, it is usually fit for purpose and performs that purpose admirably, I generally do seek out US made stuff when I am on the hunt for something, and my collection of useful odds and Ends includes, Leatherman Juice Xe6 ( my second Leatherman in nineteen years), Zippo lighter ( so simple, it is astonishing), Shaeffer Admiral snorkel fountain pen( 1952, and still the most complex pen ever designed ), vintage Schollhorn and Bernard parallel pliers ( much better than their Maun equivalents, and I still use them), Starrett engineering instruments, ( their verstality and design thought is superb), and various other bits I have forgotten about. Oh yes, and about £4k worth of Snap- On tools, which I have since lost.

What I like about US made products, is their no nonsense dependability about what they make, it is very fit for purpose, and that might very well be their undoing, it lasts and lasts well, unlike many other foreign sourced tools, ( I am a tool fiend, I seek US first, German second, and British Made last, anything else is a poor comparison).

Perhaps, because we have become so used to cheap and poorly made products over the last half of the twentieth century, we have lost sight of what is good. Good now means cheap as possible and I have lost count of how many cheap foreign made 'Chocolate' tools I have broken in normal use, my knucles are permently scarred from hitting metal, when a spanner jaw stretches, or the thing just breaks.

Corporations want profit, broken tools means more profit, and sod the customer.

Yeah, US made stuff, in my experience is very good.



Termyn8or -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 8:15:53 AM)

An, you want good tools forget Craftsman, get SK. A buddy of mine busted a finger really badly when one of their socket wrenches broke. They paid all the bills and provided sub pay for him to heal.

Every Craftsman tool used to be Xrayed of magnafluxed. They found it was cheaper to let the customer do the testing and just give them another tool when one broke. Normal greed has been superseded by an OCD for instant gratification. The stock market was a major influence contributing to this. Quarterly profit over long term planning and investment.

I echo the opine that this is not going to be fixed overnight.

T



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