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Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 9:59:10 AM)
quote: Maybe it is true, that the United States does not or can not be a front runner in manufacturing these days. That is a pity, and our loss. I am glad that there are a fair number of entrepreneur's that can actually make a good living producing goods and services in the United States. We really have become a nation of consumers that don't produce a great deal, that also is a pity. None of this is really true, though. While we like to wave our flags and pout at our treaties, the reality is that we are in a global marketplace. Every day, folks in the U.S. buy foreign goods that aren't produced in the U.S. at all. And every day, millions of U.S. citizens benefit from our large foreign markets, including for goods only made in the U.S. (especially in the computer field). Yet, we still discuss this like it's the 19th century. Those days and approaches are simply gone. What we will have to do (and it won't be popular), is sooner or later construct meaningful international law, and begin to consider our policies in terms of world impact and world problems. Not to do so doesn't protect us at all--it simply sticks our heads in the sand while the structural problems grow worse, and while other countries and trading blocks solve the problems their way around us and without us. That doesn't mean we can't buy locally. We can, and many do. But as a blanket policy, it's neither reasonable nor possible.

switch2please -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 10:09:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hierodule Well there this stuff. Its made in the USA but I heard their factory employs mostly illegals eh Whatevs. I like their no underwire bras for small chested ladies and their models are kinda sexy in an drugged out amateur porn kind of way. American Apparel is based on legal, ethical, sweatshop-free labor (detailed info below). That's why I buy from them - if I can afford it [:)] Made in the USA is expensive... "The average sewer with experience at American Apparel is making about $25,000/yr, or $12 an hour, almost twice the federal minimum. This can be higher in some cases. We also offer parking, subsidized public transport, subsidized lunches, free onsite massages, a bike lending program, a program of paid days off, ESL classes and much more. Most importantly we guarantee job security and full-time employment; this is an anomaly in the garment industry, which has historically been dominated by seasonal work. We also continue to provide all of our employees and their families with company-subsidized, affordable health insurance ($8/week, $1-3/week for children). And we just made everyone's lives a little easier by opening an onsite medical clinic. This facility, which is the first of its kind, offers primary care services along with pediatric, urgent and preventative health care. As our company continues to grow, we will further improve the work environment. Now a public company, we're very excited about introducing an unprecedented stock program that will make our garment workers shareholders." And yeah, I totally agree...the models are kinda sexy...in a drugged-out amateur porn kind of way... (there was an article in the Onion a while back about these models - really freakin funny)

switch2please -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 10:13:13 AM)
Subsidized transportation and lunches, health insurance, free massages, job security, stock options... damn. No wonder they want $30 for a tshirt, even if it is super comfy and lasts forever. I can sew...maybe I should apply...

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 10:18:01 AM)
Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe.

Hierodule -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 10:41:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: switch2please Subsidized transportation and lunches, health insurance, free massages, job security, stock options... damn. No wonder they want $30 for a tshirt, even if it is super comfy and lasts forever. I can sew...maybe I should apply... Thats what I was thinking! They sell 30 dollars tees at Urban Outfitters that are made in Malaysia. I doubt they cost as much to make as AP tees. At least with AP you know where your money is going. Maybe "mostly illegal" was wrong. But, they are a little lax in the green card dept according to USA Today and their own website. Hey, at least they aren't exploiting the immigrants by paying them less then they would pay citizens. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2009-07-01-american-apparel_N.htm?csp=34 and from their very own website, see The American Apparel Factory and The American Dream: http://www.americanapparel.net/contact/legalizela/ edited to fix link

Moonhead -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 1:37:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe. Always puzzles me that one. You'd have thought they could grow sugar cane pretty handily in Florida and Louisiana.

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe. Always puzzles me that one. You'd have thought they could grow sugar cane pretty handily in Florida and Louisiana. There's a list of puzzling tariffs and subsidies. "National security" supposedly justifies a number of them--like pens, peanuts, and tuna. Others are protectionist perversions of national spats--like lumber and beer. A few others are in response to actual problems with fair competition--like dumping steel (selling excess capacity abroad at below production cost prices, just clearing materials/transportation costs).

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Maybe it is true, that the United States does not or can not be a front runner in manufacturing these days. That is a pity, and our loss. I am glad that there are a fair number of entrepreneur's that can actually make a good living producing goods and services in the United States. We really have become a nation of consumers that don't produce a great deal, that also is a pity. None of this is really true, though. What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing. [;)] While we like to wave our flags and pout at our treaties, the reality is that we are in a global marketplace. I never said we were not a part of the "global marketplace" nor have I ever said we should not be involved in a global marketplace. Every day, folks in the U.S. buy foreign goods that aren't produced in the U.S. at all. And every day, millions of U.S. citizens benefit from our large foreign markets, including for goods only made in the U.S. (especially in the computer field). Yet, we still discuss this like it's the 19th century. Those days and approaches are simply gone. What we will have to do (and it won't be popular), is sooner or later construct meaningful international law, and begin to consider our policies in terms of world impact and world problems. Not to do so doesn't protect us at all--it simply sticks our heads in the sand while the structural problems grow worse, and while other countries and trading blocks solve the problems their way around us and without us. That doesn't mean we can't buy locally. We can, and many do. But as a blanket policy, it's neither reasonable nor possible. I have zero idea where you got "blanket policy" from, but you did not get it from me, or any statement I made. I NEVER have said I was against "globalization", I SAID it would be nice, if the United States could be more of a nation of producers, and that includes manufacturing. Again, we can always agree to disagree.

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:26:31 PM)
What a delightful post about American Apparel! That is certainly a company I can respect and admire. I am going to be looking at American Apparel, a lot closer.

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:40:25 PM)
quote: None of this is really true, though. What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing. The difference is when what you think is factually in error, not a matter of opinion. As you were for both manufacturing and production.

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:44:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: None of this is really true, though. What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing. The difference is when what you think is factually in error, not a matter of opinion. As you were for both manufacturing and production. Here is a pass for Musicmystery. [8\|] He is an expert on the economy, manufacturing and production. In fact, he appears to be an expert on everything. I know just what to do here. You win! Have a wonderful weekend!

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:45:42 PM)
I'm sorry you're troubled that the wealth of readily available economic data disagrees with you. It goes that way sometimes. That's the trouble with presenting opinion as fact.

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm sorry you're troubled that the wealth of readily available economic data disagrees with you. It goes that way sometimes. That's the trouble with presenting opinion as fact. For the last time, and I do mean the last time. I have always stated this is my OPINION. WOW!

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:51:29 PM)
Wow? An opinion held despite the contrary factual evidence? That's the definition of unreasonable. I hope it is, truly, the last time.

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 3:58:53 PM)
Anyway, I am going to end this discussion, with you. {you have a tendancy to show up on threads I start, with always the same type of behavior and attitude}. You are right, you know all about everything. This was MY opinion, which has not changed. I look forward to more products and goods being MADE IN THE USA! [;)]

Musicmystery -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 6:44:39 PM)
You were upset about the death of manufacturing and production. Now you're personally upset with me because you find it isn't true. shrug Whatever.

MzMia -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/20/2009 9:56:06 PM)
Okay, after being derailed on my own thread, I am back on topic. [;)] Evidently, there are many movements underway to get the USA moving ahead in the area of manufacturing! Here is the link to a wonderful website {manufacturethis.org} that deals with national manufacturing strategies. I will be keeping an eye on the Alliance of American Manufacturing. Manufacture This Manufacture This » Buy America

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/21/2009 7:53:29 AM)
I have several clients that are manufacturers of many different things. There is still a lot that is made in the US, but it still comes down to cost from many of these companies. Now if you want to see more of an investment in the US, you tax profits that are made outside the US by US companies, whether that money is brought into the US or not. As it stands now, many US companies invest and make money abroad, keeping that money abroad. Combine this with give some credits for creating local jobs and slight tax breaks for qualified revenues made inside the US, and you will see it balance back out. In all of this though, as has been pointed out, this is a global economy so an eye to countries that are competing to bring business is needs to be assigned as well. Tariffs really don't do much, except in a few exceptions (steel being one that has been offered so far). Also, it is not as great in other countries as many put forth. One of my clients is a company owned by a German family. They moved their business here 14 years ago because the taxes and fees in Germany had become so great that increase in sales gave very little net profits. Here in the US they were able to expand their company, increase the number of employees, and improve the quality in the market of the item they manufacture.

Moonhead -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/21/2009 12:49:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe. Always puzzles me that one. You'd have thought they could grow sugar cane pretty handily in Florida and Louisiana. There's a list of puzzling tariffs and subsidies. "National security" supposedly justifies a number of them--like pens, peanuts, and tuna. Others are protectionist perversions of national spats--like lumber and beer. A few others are in response to actual problems with fair competition--like dumping steel (selling excess capacity abroad at below production cost prices, just clearing materials/transportation costs). I think Cuba was an issue at one point as well, wasn't it? Castro exports a lot of sugar. Aren't proper cigars banned in the 'States as well?

mvc333 -> RE: Still Made in the USA!!! (11/21/2009 1:12:33 PM)
I'm a distributor of adult fetish DVDs, each week I get several thousand new release DVDs manufactured in California ;) At least we still make our porn DVDs here.

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