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Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 2:56:12 PM   
sunshinemiss


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Hello Gentlemen and Ladies,

As is often the case, my questions are terribly personal, as in personal to me.  Rarely do I hide what and who I am, but I do often hide my deepest concerns, worries, fears.  I'm stepping out on a limb here to share these with you.  I hope you will hear my thoughts in the spirit I am putting them out there.

Thank you for considering....

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Most submissive people I know are strong, fiercely independent in many ways, deeply successful and passionate.  We are able to do many things, manage a multitude of concerns, serve a lovely tea, run a business, and maintain an interesting conversation - all at the same time.  We are fiesty.  But there is a place, like a soft spot or something where we resonate to a dominant person around us. 

Whenever I've been with a man who "takes charge" in my life, it's like I can let go.  I exhale when I hadn't even realized I was holding my breath.  Quiet men or raucous, it doesn't matter - just someone who handles the things that worry me.  It's like peace washes over me, and I can relax and be more fully who I am. Without that person, it's like there is a yearning that never quits.

I often feel a certain lacking on my part, embarassment even, because that yearning is there.  Now, while I'm uninvolved, I manage it myself, and I quiet it as best I can, and I do what needs to be done.  I do my best not to judge myself and to not be embarassed that I'm a turtle instead of a giraffe.  But I sometimes long to be a giraffe.  I sometimes wish that desperately.  You all seem to be able to manage life so much more easily.

In the end, I may be able to live this way, alone, but I don't soar.  I manage, but I don't sing.

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Do you ever get tired of being needed?

Does it get difficult holding the reins?

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? 

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?

When does being needed end and neediness begin?

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 3:29:59 PM   
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Sunshinemiss, what a great bunch of questions. I'm really interested in the answers you get.


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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 3:50:51 PM   
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This is Darcy

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Do you ever get tired of being needed?


Never. Being needed is a wonderful feeling.

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Does it get difficult holding the reins?


Not at all. It comes naturally and feels natural in our relationship.

quote:

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? 


Not in the "oh, don't bother me" sense, but I do believe in empowering the.dark. when I know that she can do something but may just need a little confidence instilling in her to step up to the plate herself.

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Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?


Never.

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How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?


It just comes naturally. I'm a dominant decision maker by nature.

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When does being needed end and neediness begin?


There's a fine line, but neither is bad. the.dark. needs me, but equally I need her too. It's kind of like an emotionally symbiotic relationship in which we both give and take what we need to and from each other, resulting in a wonderful completeness. Dominants need submissives as much as submissives need dominants. We are after all, human too (albeit sadistic, twisted examples of the human race, but we still have feelings  )

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 6:00:44 PM   
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No, we don't. You are comparing what you feel inside to what you see on our outsides. And that's apples to oranges.

In different ways everyone here is needy, but you don't see it so you don't believe it exists.

I'm dealing with a potentially life threatening illness and we won't know for a couple of weeks. Believe me he isn't totally strong. At times I'm crying and at times he is. We just take turns. Does he wish he weren't dealing with this, hell yes. I wish we weren't either.

If there are things he doesn't want to deal with, he tells me to make the decision. He doesn't care what's for dinner as long as it's on time.

We love each other so we deal the hand we've been dealt and we help each other out.



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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 7:35:11 PM   
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Very interested in reading the answers you get.

I've wondered these same questions.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/19/2009 8:34:06 PM   
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We'll channel our Zen Buddhist friend and answer with a question: What is the difference between solitude and loneliness? When you feel, not just know, the difference, perhaps your own question will be more clear.

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PS, know that life as a giraffe goes something like this...
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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 5:59:24 AM   
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smiles.... I have been asking similar questions of a friend of mine recently Sunny.  How he explained it to me when I asked him if he would ever get tired of me looking to him for guidance and to master me he said that through my submitting to him if that happens down the track, I give him the freedom to totally be himself.  He said that unlike other parts of his life where he doesn't have 100% control of everything with me he would get all of the control which is what he loves.  He said it makes him feel everything more deeply and to feel more alive.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 7:32:28 AM   
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Do you ever get tired of being needed?  No, I don't.  Though I do tend to think of it more as being wanted than needed.

Does it get difficult holding the reins?  No, I happen to like being in authority.  It's kind of why I'm into this thing in the first place.

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ?  No, that's never occurred to Me.

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?  No, but let's not forget that there have been times that My boy has been the strong one when I needed him. 

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?  I take the information that I have available on any particular subject and attempt to make the best decision for us.  That's not to say that all of My decisions have been the correct ones.  There have been some incorrect ones in there, too.  When that happens, I correct My mistake, apologize, and we move on.  The why is because it's My responsibility.  In My opinion, the wanting authority that I mentioned above walks hand in hand with the responsibility.  You can't want one without accepting the other.

When does being needed end and neediness begin?  When it becomes out of balance with everything else.  If it begins to be a detriment, rather than a benefit, that is where I think I'd draw the line between the two.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 8:03:06 AM   
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Great questions :) thank you sunshinemiss
and thank you, everyone offering insight

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 9:38:23 AM   
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subshine,

I have an intersting twist on your questions.

The Dominant is not the only one who should feel needed all the time. without the 's' there is no 'D'. There is no one for me to extend myself to, my hand, my mind...etc. It is in two people needing each other that this relationship develops. when you strip it all away, we are only human. We all need the basic fundamentals. When we stop needing or being needed, we stop caring.

I hope this helps.
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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 10:29:02 AM   
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Hello everyone,
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.  *Feel free other folks to chime in.

And MFM - thank you for the ink for the giraffes.  That was a good lil chuckle!

best to you,
sunshine


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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 12:25:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Most submissive people I know are strong, fiercely independent in many ways, deeply successful and passionate.  We are able to do many things, manage a multitude of concerns, serve a lovely tea, run a business, and maintain an interesting conversation - all at the same time.  We are fiesty.  But there is a place, like a soft spot or something where we resonate to a dominant person around us. 

Whenever I've been with a man who "takes charge" in my life, it's like I can let go.  I exhale when I hadn't even realized I was holding my breath.  Quiet men or raucous, it doesn't matter - just someone who handles the things that worry me.  It's like peace washes over me, and I can relax and be more fully who I am. Without that person, it's like there is a yearning that never quits.

I often feel a certain lacking on my part, embarassment even, because that yearning is there.  Now, while I'm uninvolved, I manage it myself, and I quiet it as best I can, and I do what needs to be done.  I do my best not to judge myself and to not be embarassed that I'm a turtle instead of a giraffe.  But I sometimes long to be a giraffe.  I sometimes wish that desperately.  You all seem to be able to manage life so much more easily.

In the end, I may be able to live this way, alone, but I don't soar.  I manage, but I don't sing.


Greetings sunshinemiss,

Because you requested commentary from others, I'm going to restrict my remarks to your opening statement, which is more reflective of the submissive experience in my opinion. I believe you raised some interesting points and I wanted to chime in nonetheless from a different perspective.

The most glaring change in my life over the last three months has been in relation to need and loss. I believed some things were fixed, to the point where their absence would hurt me in ways that I preferred not to consider. But sometimes we have to lose to gain, and in doing so the thing that has fallen away most sharply is need, particularly in the submissive sense and attachments as well. It is a process that is being continually refined. What I've experienced thus far has allowed me to move away from a desire/need to silence the yearning when those things are not being addressed or satisfied. The need was never real, it was always an illusion that I crafted in my mind that was an outgrowth of something else that was going unmet that I believed only He could attend to.

I have no need of Him. I enjoy His company. I like being able to lean and rely on Him and what He provides as a Partner and Dominant. But when these things are not in place the feelings of lack or need have largely subsided. I came to learn that they were not executed in a positive sense, and the mere fact that I had to work to keep them quiet spoke of something that I could no longer ignore. I articulate it as attachment and the "need" to connect in a way that I felt could not be satisfied in any manner save submission. It was always a win/lose scenario which usually resulted in a roller coaster ride the left me fatigued, confused, and wondering why I bothered doing this at all. I came very close to walking away from everything. In some respects I did.

I left the woman I knew behind and found her balanced twin instead. Doing so required me to reexamine my ideas on many things pertaining to the lifestyle and in particular slavery and relationships where enslavement and status as property were goals. I have altered my opinions on a lot and no longer identify myself as such. Not because I can't submit or even function as as slave in a relationship. But I'm not a slave overall. That is gone. That is the mindset that led to the incessant need that I attended to until He appeared on the horizon. Its manifestation could be beautiful or downright pathetic and I found myself sickened in some respects when I reviewed my behavior.

On many instances I asked what was wrong with me, because it was never about Him. Regardless who the Him was, I allowed myself to think, act, and feel these things and doing so was no longer in my best interest. Now I approach it all holistically and seek something organic without all the definitions, labels, roles, and other junk that gets heaped upon simple concepts in relating. I'm much happier now. I don't have a spot, place, or any compartment that speaks His name. I'm merely me and He gets all of that. I've merged all the divergent parts into one and there's cohesion in ways that didn't exist before.

I suppose in theory by letting go I gained a lot. The complexities of submission and some of the things I read are no longer struggles for me. I recognize that is merely a guise I'm putting onto the internal battles I'm having with myself. But I simply call them what they are these days. By forsaking my need to be owned and the sincere desire for an Owner, I've finally come to appreciate that having what is best is better for me overall. Even if it doesn't arrive in the manner I'd previously envisioned and prepared for. The churning ceased, I settled down and found my Home within. I remembered what I cherished most and articulated it aloud. The pangs never came nor did the sadness or the need to distract my thoughts. I was able to say the word with a radiant smile instead.

When I consider the questions you posed, my thoughts are fairly simple. My Keeper will engage in the things you speak of with a loving spirit that is founded on the principles of giving and receiving. As His kept I will do the same. I don't believe either will process need in its negative fashion, but recognize the active choice we've made to walk as One. The responsibilities we once carried alone are now shared by two shoulders. It is balanced and fulfilled in ways that go beyond the limitations that predefined roles can bring. We connect on four levels, engaging every facet of our heart, mind, body, and spirit in unison. The endless yearning has now found its place of peace and fulfillment. We provide those things for ourselves and for one another as well. Bringing two wholly complete partners into one beautiful dynamic called Us.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 7:22:15 PM   
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Do you ever get tired of being needed?

I don't want to be needed... I want to be wanted. Needed to me implies the idea that I am the only one that could do it for them. I don't want my girls to every feel that I am the only one!... I want them to CHOOSE each and every time for me to be the the one because.. I am the BEST one for the job! and not needed because I am the only one for the job.

Does it get difficult holding the reins?

I lead they follow.... it's a leash not reins! It would only be difficult if they choose not to follow... then I would have to drag them behind me.... and with two of them that could get tough. Of course... I am good and what I do... so it's never been difficult and they continue to want to follow me where I go.


Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? 

I do tell them to take care of things for themselves at times... they are not idiots or incapable twits. They are intelligent capable women that have tremendous skills in a variety of areas. Some things they will take care of it themselves because frankly... they just might be better at it than me. I exercise my authority when I want too... Not because I have too. Of course... I do tend to want to do it an awful lot!


Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?

I am who I am always..... I do what I do because that is what I want. Sometimes... I don't have the answers at the moment or unsure of things. I don't pretend to be strong when I am not.... besides... I don't lie very well... the girls would see right through the BS. They get an authentic me.. and I get an authentic them! But in the end... who I am always prevails ..... they can count on it!


How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?

one pebble at a time..... there is no big decisions..... just lots of little ones added together!


When does being needed end and neediness begin?

I see them as the same! except... with one... there belief that the need can be fulfilled.... with the other... there is the belief it can never be fulfilled.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/20/2009 7:39:30 PM   
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I don't get tired of being needed. While I don't tell people to go off and handle it themselves, I also don't like subs who need Mommy to pick out their shirt every morning and remind them to wipe. If I tell a sub to make something happen, I expect zie to go make it happen, and come back to me if zie hits a snag or when zie gets it done. I am almost endlessly supportive in difficulty, but I also believe that there's a time to sit and bitch and a time to grab a mop and shut up and clean it up. It's natural to be the one who decides and plans. It's soothing and comforting to me to make plans, to settle down to relax or sleep with the knowledge there is a plan in place, a decision made, and I've got things settled. (Indeed, part of my life lesson is, I think, to learn to be comfortable with situations in which plans are not firm and things change rapidly.) Needing versus neediness: I think for me it is about being competent in life in your own right. We just make you better, just as you make us better. There has to be balance.


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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/22/2009 3:58:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hello Gentlemen and Ladies,

As is often the case, my questions are terribly personal, as in personal to me.  Rarely do I hide what and who I am, but I do often hide my deepest concerns, worries, fears.  I'm stepping out on a limb here to share these with you.  I hope you will hear my thoughts in the spirit I am putting them out there.

Thank you for considering....

***********************************

Most submissive people I know are strong, fiercely independent in many ways, deeply successful and passionate.  We are able to do many things, manage a multitude of concerns, serve a lovely tea, run a business, and maintain an interesting conversation - all at the same time.  We are fiesty.  But there is a place, like a soft spot or something where we resonate to a dominant person around us. 

Whenever I've been with a man who "takes charge" in my life, it's like I can let go.  I exhale when I hadn't even realized I was holding my breath.  Quiet men or raucous, it doesn't matter - just someone who handles the things that worry me.  It's like peace washes over me, and I can relax and be more fully who I am. Without that person, it's like there is a yearning that never quits.

I often feel a certain lacking on my part, embarassment even, because that yearning is there.  Now, while I'm uninvolved, I manage it myself, and I quiet it as best I can, and I do what needs to be done.  I do my best not to judge myself and to not be embarassed that I'm a turtle instead of a giraffe.  But I sometimes long to be a giraffe.  I sometimes wish that desperately.  You all seem to be able to manage life so much more easily.

In the end, I may be able to live this way, alone, but I don't soar.  I manage, but I don't sing.

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Do you ever get tired of being needed?

Does it get difficult holding the reins?

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? 

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?

When does being needed end and neediness begin?

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best to you all,
sunshine

Do you ever get tired of being needed? No

Does it get difficult holding the reins? I suppose, but it is my responsibility, one I never intend to dishonor

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away! Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ?
No, How how does that teach or solve the problem?

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft? No

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables? And why? I am wired that way. I just use logic and compassion, because I love it

When does being needed end and neediness begin? I don't attempt to make that distinction, but if I were to guess, when requests become irrational, but regardless I do what is needed

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/22/2009 5:10:13 PM   
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Really great to read these responses. An opportunity to gain more insight into the other side and viewpoint of the balance. Thanks!!

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/23/2009 3:16:52 PM   
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And for some of us a little neediness, a little codependency if you will, is good. I'm a little needy, he's got a fair amount of white knight in him. My need allows him to fill his. It works for us.

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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/26/2009 8:24:52 PM   
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Do you ever get tired of being needed?

Does it get difficult holding the reins?

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away!  Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? 

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft?

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables?  And why?

When does being needed end and neediness begin?

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best to you all,
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Do I ever get tired of being needed? I wouldn't say that I'm needed. If I died tomorrow, Aqua would be able to go on with her life. Wanted, certainly, but my existence isn't a necessary condition for her to keep breathing. Do I ever get tired of being wanted? Not at all.

Does it get difficult holding the reins? Absolutely - there are times that things happen and I don't have a damned clue what course I should take, much less what course I want her to go down. I'm as human as the next guy.

Do I ever want to get her out on her own so she's not in my hair all the time? Definitely. Again, I'm human. There are days when I get home from work that I just don't want to see another human being or talk about my day or any human contact whatsoever, and some of those days, Kitten is happy to see me and cheerful and chirping at me. Those are the days I've got to put the kid gloves on and just tell her that I've had a bad day, I don't feel like talking, and hope she takes the hint.

If I wanted to be the strong one all the time, I wouldn't be in a relationship, wouldn't have anyone around me that I could lean on when I needed it. When she needs me to be there for her, though... I suck it up, put whatever issues or irritations I'm dealing with on the back shelf, and get back to them when the current crisis is over.

How do I do it? A combination of past experience and blind luck, I'd say. Then again, our relationship isn't the standard d/s dynamic, so my role isn't so much management as it is keeping her going in a general direction.

As for your last question... well, I don't have an answer for you for that one. The last person in my life who was super needy and clingy to an unhealthy level, I cut loose. When Kitten's needed me, it's been to help her through a problem, and doesn't generally last long.


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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/26/2009 8:33:47 PM   
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Do I ever want to get her out on her own so she's not in my hair all the time? Definitely. Again, I'm human. There are days when I get home from work that I just don't want to see another human being or talk about my day or any human contact whatsoever, and some of those days, Kitten is happy to see me and cheerful and chirping at me. Those are the days I've got to put the kid gloves on and just tell her that I've had a bad day, I don't feel like talking, and hope she takes the hint.

This is when I go dancing and leave you alone.

And I love you Master Boo-Sir.


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RE: Needing... vs. neediness - 11/27/2009 12:34:53 AM   
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Do you ever get tired of being needed? Not one bit.

Does it get difficult holding the reins? Sure it does. What thing in life worth doing is ever easy all the time? But just like for Carol, it's the job I signed up for and I can't just bail when it gets inconvenient.

Don't you ever want to just say - "Go away! Geesh go take care of it yourself!" ? Of course I do. I don't, however. See above.

Is there a time when you don't want to be the strong one when your partner is feeling lost or soft? Of course there is -- I just don't follow through on it. See above. I have no problem letting Carol take the lead when I'm beat, exhausted, or whatever. She's a bright cookie. But when she needs me, I need to be there for her.

How do you do it - how do you manage all the decisions, all the variables? And why? How? I do it the best I'm able. Why? I do it because doing so comes naturally to me. "Coming naturally" and always being easy are not the same thing however. I don't really have an answer to the how I cope with it all the time. Wait... I do. The answer is that I do not. Carol is not an incompetent adult, and for the most part, she can manage fine if I'm down and out for whatever reason. We are a team and load shifts between us based upon the needs of the moment and our individual skills and abilities. The way you say this makes it sound way more lop-sided than it is for us.

When does being needed end and neediness begin? When the one doing the needing isn't giving back. Let me be clear. I NEED Carol. A LOT. She is, when you get down to it, the wellspring of happiness in my life. What separates that from neediness in my mind is that my need doesn't occur in a vampiric way.

If this helps you out any, Carol also handles for me the things that worry me. We are a team, not two individual who happen to live together. Our strengths complement each other. You make it sound like the sub side of the deal is all take and no give. At least for us, that is not so. Carol gives me a great deal more than hawt sex. If I'm struggling with some problem, even a problem which is not really well suited to her, she steps up. It is for that reason that I don't see anything to be embarassed about in her role. She is a strong team player and I'm proud to have her playing for my team.

I'd very much like to see if you can specifically detail why you feel that being on the sub side of the kneel is lacking in some way. At least to my eye, the role that Carol occupies takes a great deal of strength, courage, honor, integrity, and a host of other words in that vein. Personally, I feel that our society values the leaders more than the followers and so submissives get dealt a rough hand. But especially in a team of exactly two, it's pretty hard to separate out the roles and say, "This one is more worthy." Without either one, the team does not exist.

One way to look at "value" is looking at somethings replacement cost. If I thought that reliable, competent, loving, attentive, committed, giving slaves were a dime a dozen, then I suppose I wouldn't value them much. But that is not the case in my experience.

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~Jeff

I didn't so much "enslave" Carol as I did "enlove" her. - Me
I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael

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