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The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running in 2012 - 11/20/2009 9:45:37 AM   
Musicmystery


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Lots of guessing and quarterbacking about who's running in 2012 and their chances.

A worthy discussion. Have at it!

What are your picks?
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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 9:48:19 AM   
Musicmystery


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Big news people, Lou Dobbs may be considering a run for public office. That means President people. There was a website up back a few years ago to encourage him, and I'm sure from people signing up there, he realized he might have a real chance. Lou Dobbs would definitely win over the moderates, and independent voters.

He's strong on secure borders and immigration enforcement, and he believes in some type of universal healthcare. Now, most people don't like socialized medicine especially myself, but if we only cover legal citizens, and find a way to make everyone pay into it, then I'm fine with it myself.

What I dislike about socialist policies is that it enables people to go out and buy a new car while taxpayers pay for their living expenses. That's just not right.

I think he could defeat both Palin and Obama handily. Spread the news.

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Big news people, Lou Dobbs may be considering a run for public office. That means President people. There was a website up back a few years ago to encourage him, and I'm sure from people signing up there, he realized he might have a real chance. Lou Dobbs would definitely win over the moderates, and independent voters.



I seem to remember the exact same thing being said when Mr. Jowls from Law and Order tried to run for President.

And at least he had some brief experience in the Senate.



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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd vote for Lou Dobbs, he's be great for the country! Of course all the pols in D.C. who are on the graft wagon won't like him!
He was on the business channel last night with Larry Kudlow and said he'd run as an "Independant!"
That's what we need, a breath of fresh air and repudiation of the Dems and Repubs and all their fucking stealing!

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:16:15 AM   
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That's what we need, a breath of fresh air and repudiation of the Dems and Repubs


The usual problem is that the candidates are usually only against this or that, or only promoting this or that, instead of realistically presenting a comprehensive platform. This has been my problem with them, from Ralph Nader to Ross Perot.

I'd love to see a field of unaffiliated candidates, candidates seriously running instead of posturing.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:27:09 AM   
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That's what we need, a breath of fresh air and repudiation of the Dems and Repubs


The usual problem is that the candidates are usually only against this or that, or only promoting this or that, instead of realistically presenting a comprehensive platform. This has been my problem with them, from Ralph Nader to Ross Perot.

I'd love to see a field of unaffiliated candidates, candidates seriously running instead of posturing.




Music, yeah that'd be nice!
Hey, maybe Obama wasn't lying about all that "Change" after all!
He's going to piss so many people off that the American People will be the ones that do the "Changin'!"
We definately do need new blood in there! Yahoo had an article about "Sen. Robert Bird" yesterday, he's 91 !!!"
I don't think he can walk anymore.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:45:39 AM   
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Yahoo had an article about "Sen. Robert Bird" yesterday, he's 91 !!!"
I don't think he can walk anymore.


What???? Don't they know they're supposed to present only liberally biased articles???

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:47:31 AM   
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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:48:00 AM   
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Hi all,

Lots of guessing and quarterbacking about who's running in 2012 and their chances.

A worthy discussion. Have at it!

What are your picks?


I'm firmly on the Sarah bandwagon.

You truly cannot find a better candidate.

(at least for Democrats)

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 10:50:32 AM   
Musicmystery


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Who says it wasn't?



Well, it could be. I read actual news sources, rather than Internet portals.

Not exactly news that Byrd is 91 anyway.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:35:09 AM   
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When people have no livelihood everything changes.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:35:15 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3UwoPGE-b0

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:44:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dobbs might run for Senate in New Jersey but POTUS? Get serious. He would never have a chance and is smart enough to know that.

I don't see anyone serious opposing Obama in teh Democratic primaries.

The GOP primaries look to be wide open. People who have been doing teh various things candidates do at this point:
Gingrich
Huckabee
Jindal
Palin
Pawlenty
Romney
Santorum

I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:45:23 AM   
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Dobbs might run for Senate in New Jersey but POTUS? Get serious. He would never have a chance and is smart enough to know that.

I don't see anyone serious opposing Obama in teh Democratic primaries.

The GOP primaries look to be wide open. People who have been doing teh various things candidates do at this point:
Gingrich
Huckabee
Jindal
Palin
Pawlenty
Romney
Santorum

I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.

And I dont see anyone in your Dem list who hasn't proven that he's a disaster as POTUS.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:48:08 AM   
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I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.


My thoughts exactly. Although no one knows who will break out of the pack, one thing is dead certain- they will need the stamp of approval from Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, or else they will not get the nomination. And her endorsement will be the kiss of death for the other 60% of the electorate.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:57:43 AM   
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I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.


My thoughts exactly. Although no one knows who will break out of the pack, one thing is dead certain- they will need the stamp of approval from Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, or else they will not get the nomination. And her endorsement will be the kiss of death for the other 60% of the electorate.


Palin favorability rating: 47%
Obama approval rating: 46%

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 11:58:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		A good candidate for the Republicans actually would be Lindsey Graham but he probably doesn't think he's ready for it. He would be a good candidate because he is a real conservative but not crazy as he has had problems with the Teabagers.

Obama is not perfect but most people think he's a good man and I just don't see any Republican candidates good enough to beat him despite Obamas' flaws.

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Dobbs might run for Senate in New Jersey but POTUS? Get serious. He would never have a chance and is smart enough to know that.

I don't see anyone serious opposing Obama in teh Democratic primaries.

The GOP primaries look to be wide open. People who have been doing teh various things candidates do at this point:
Gingrich
Huckabee
Jindal
Palin
Pawlenty
Romney
Santorum

I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.


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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 12:02:26 PM   
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Obama is not perfect and most people think he's a good man but I just don't see any Republican candidates bad enough to lose to him because of his demonstrated incompetence.




FYP

Except Palin of course.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 12:12:25 PM   
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I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.


My thoughts exactly. Although no one knows who will break out of the pack, one thing is dead certain- they will need the stamp of approval from Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, or else they will not get the nomination. And her endorsement will be the kiss of death for the other 60% of the electorate.


Palin favorability rating: 47%
Obama approval rating: 46%


Using the Fox poll I see. Strangely it is the outlier consitsently showing the President to have a lower approval rating than every other poll. Couldn't possibly be any bias in their sample or questions could there? Of course I did like the response to the bow controversy in that most recent poll.

The actual poll numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 1:06:39 PM   
Fellow


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Status: offline 		Lou Dobbs probably considers running for a seat in US Congress. He is smart man; it is not time (yet) for an Independent president. He may also try to initiate and lead a new movement (party). There is a serious need for the last.

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RE: The Thread to Discuss Lou Dobbs and others running ... - 11/20/2009 3:01:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
I honestly don't see anyone in that field who could win the GOP nomination and who wouldn't be a disaster as POTUS.


My thoughts exactly. Although no one knows who will break out of the pack, one thing is dead certain- they will need the stamp of approval from Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, or else they will not get the nomination. And her endorsement will be the kiss of death for the other 60% of the electorate.


Palin favorability rating: 47%
Obama approval rating: 46%


Using the Fox poll I see. Strangely it is the outlier consitsently showing the President to have a lower approval rating than every other poll. Couldn't possibly be any bias in their sample or questions could there? Of course I did like the response to the bow controversy in that most recent poll.

The actual poll numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


I read the questions and see no bias, and Opinion Dynamics is an independent company that contractually uses their own polling methodologies without influence of the companies that hire them. If they are consistently below "every other poll", a claim also often made (possibly by you even) about Rasmussen, then I suggest you examine any liberal biases in other polls.

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